Saturday, 05 May 2012

  • The Discrediting of Scripture

    By T.G. Blankenship at The Gethsemane Blog
    I read/hear a lot of views on scripture. Some views are ones that destroy the credibility of the Bible and Gospel message for the person holding that view. Often, people hold these views and proclaim solely so that they will discredit the scriptures for others they come in contact with. Below are three things I hear a lot.
    • A plain reading of scripture trumps understanding the "context" of a passage. More simply, context doesn't matter.
    • Scholars hardly ever agree on the meanings and applications of scripture.
    • The Bible has been translated so many times that the original message can no longer be known. 
    Most of these views come from Atheists I know but that doesn't mean I don't hear the arguments from people of various beliefs, skeptic theists, and even Christians.
    Some people have heard these ideas so often and for so long that they can't avoid being persuaded by them. I certainly used to believe these views. However, they are unfair blanket statements and they derive from ignorance and/or stubborn disdain. In my case it was both.

    I am about to finish my Masters of Arts in Biblical studies (with an emphasis on Koine Greek and the New Testament). My Bachelor of Science is in Pastoral Ministries (which was really just a bunch of bible classes, more specifically inductive bible study method classes). As someone who has spent his last 10 years studying the scriptures and church history (not all in formal schooling), I believe I have a view also worth considering on these matters. It may be more, less, or just as credible as some who make the above stated claims. I can't say rightly and it, of course, depends upon who is speaking. All I can say is that I used to be an Atheist and later an Agnostic. I'm someone who has explored various religions and lived in deep skepticism and disdain for Christianity. The reason I no longer believe the above statements to be true isn't because of divine revelation but because of honest observation and sober reasoning. Even if I abandoned Christianity I couldn't abandon the following views.

    1. The plea for context is a fair one when it comes to any type of literature, not just the Christian scriptures. A lot of folks tend to think that Christians pick and choose what they like in the 66 books of the Bible and justify their inconsistency with the argument of context. Sure, people do that. People do a lot of irresponsible things. However, that doesn't discredit the need for context to explain a literary work. Without context ancient words become relative. The more removed one becomes from author's intent, cultural surroundings, ancient literary patterns, and the like, the more difficult it becomes to understand the text.

    For instance, I come across many a young minds who know the Shakespearian line, "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?" and think it means "Romeo, where are you?" This is an improper understanding of the text but without context it'd be hard to know that (Side-note: We need to teach our kids more Shakespeare). If one understand how people spoke in Shakespeare's time and place this confusion wouldn't exist. Also, if people read the surrounding text (literary context) they would see that Juliet's plea is for Romeo to have a different identity for it is that very identity which keeps them apart. Thus, she is asking not "where are you Romeo?" to Romeo himself (whom is hiding under her very nose without her knowledge at the time of the words being presented, which is more context) but rather "Why must you be Romeo?"

    Similarly, in the Christian scriptures, there are 66 different books which came about through a great span of time. They document a story between God and his people through all sorts of different literary forms such as poetry, historic recordings, myth, metaphor, proverbs, prophecy, and more. These literary forms derive from specific times and places, which employed unique and various secondary styles of these forms (Hebrew parallelism for example). The authors and recipients of these works tell the current reader a lot about the actual text just as any other text is better understood when it's author, audience, era, and culture from which it derived are understood.

    When a single text is observed and examined alongside its connected texts it makes more sense (as we just saw with the Shakespeare example). All of this is context. To understand how all these elements affect the text being read dramatically affects the way one understands the meaning and application of a specific text. This is why a person can read through the Bible and understand why certain passages in Leviticus, 2 Samuel, Job, or Isaiah, don't hold a permanent demand for obedience to people living here and now (for instance, stoning homosexuals is proven to be time and covenant locked and thus can't be obeyed in the Christian life). Understanding the literature, it's source, it's original recipients, the author's intent (often seen through their larger message), and the movement of narrative which exists throughout the 66 books, creates space for understanding. 

    2. Despite disagreements on several elements of scripture, most Biblical scholars agree on what all deem the important issues. There will always be disgreements. And again, the further removed from the context of a piece of literary work one gets, the more likely it is t see confusion and thus disagreement. This view is often presented in such a way as to communicate that there is near no agreement on the meanings of scripture passages or their applications but church history (written and not) proves this wrong. Besides, disagreement is not grounds for discrediting a piece of literary work. For all my disagreements with Christian siblings, I find ten times as many agreements regarding the scriptures (and I travel is diverse packs of believers).

    Perhaps people buy into this idea because Church history is filled with debates, discussions, and even some bloodshed. What people forget is that much of these debates, discussion, and even bloodshed, ended in agreements, creeds, doctrines, and unity of proclamation and application. Sift through different creeds and statements of faith, and baptismal teachings of churches worldwide and you'll find that scholars agree on a plethora of issues. Sure, there are still disagreements but they don't outweigh the agreements by any means. Most denominations can agree on the big tenants of the faith and of the scriptural proclamations. Most disagreements are on small matters that can be looked at with the attitude of "agree to disagree." I'm an Anabaptist Protestant (redundant I know) yet I affirm most of what the Catholic Church teaches, and where we differ, healthy discussion exists.

    3. The Bible has been translated more than any other book in history but this does not discredit the translation's legitimacy. The Bible was written in 3 different languages. The Old Testament is written in Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament is written in Koine Greek (now a dead language). Early manuscripts (like ones on papyri) are available to humanity. It's remarkable how much witness exists for the texts, proving the original material to be heavily agreed upon. Part of my New Testament Greek studies have included textual analysis work which demands I investigate the translations made by the committees who have put together what is called the UBS4 (The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition). At the bottom of each page are footnotes providing a grade for verses with debatable translations due to the evidence of original or early manuscripts. Most of the verses are graded as highly agreed upon but some are debatable. However, these debates are over a few letters, a word, or a phrase, that often have very little affect on the meaning or application of the text. Really, it shows that the greek scholars are just fans of semantics.

    People have worked hard to study the original languages so that they can properly translate the early manuscripts into the desired language. My point here is that these scholars aren't translating a translation that came from a translation that came from a translation that came from a translation that came from a translation that came from a translation that... you get the idea. Any solid scholar (like the ones who make Bibles) translates directly from the original Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic, into their desired language. If you have an NASB, ESV, or NIV Bible, odds are you'll find a few differences in them but not enough to legitimately claim the Bible isn't credible as though it was the 17th version of a xeroxed document which can't be read. If you think the English Bible you have isn't credible then learn Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic so you can read the original words. They are available.

    So if people try to tell you that we can't know what the Bible really says because of translations, or that nobody can ever agree on what the Bible says or means, or that a plain and uneducated reading is the most honest and helpful way to understand the Bible, don't give them too much of your ear. The Bible is big, multifaceted, ancient, and beautiful. We ought to approach it knowing all this and treating it as we would treat any large, multifaceted, ancient text; with humility.

Comments (14)

  • railfan@xanga

    Very in-depth and thoughtful!  Thank you!

  • lydialynn2012@momaroo

    Yes! Thank you for a scholarly article. It's so good to see someone who knows the facts. Having a spouse in seminary, I am well aware of the truth behind some skeptical claims and get tired of people not doing their homework on these issues. I get discouraged reading revelife most of the time but this one is great.

  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    Modern people love "context doesn't matter" because it allows full freedom to assign meaning to holy scripture according personal feelings, tastes and beliefs.

    Atheists especially love it because they can then equate ancient Hebrew clam dip and rape with moral teachings on sexuality and morality.

    And the idea that scholars "hardly ever agree" on the meanings and applications of scripture is not true. The very scripture that people read is the result of scholarship done from many different theological view points. Yet its amazing how much the many translated versions of the Bible agree.

    Additionally how the Bible is interpreted for meaning and then applied is a function of the human condition, not the accuracy of Bible translation.  So citing a falsehood that has nothing to do with the issue is a journey down the rabbit hole of nonsense.

  • Roland

    Thanks for posting this article. I have some links on my page on this subject: http://bnafreedom.wordpress.com
    Also, for some more good resources (left-hand column under on-line resources/articles heading) see: http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org (Trinitarian Bible Society)

    For US web-site go HERE:

    http://www.trinitarianbiblesocietyusa.org/newsandevents.html

  • Roland

    Check out this video about the Bible: http://vimeo.com/14353695
    And here's link to Australian Bible Society with many good articles: http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org.au/

  • Captric@xanga

    In 44BC right after Julius Ceaser was murdered, his body was carried to the Roman forum so everyone could have a look see. A crowd gathered. Some guy named Anthony gave a little talk in which he said Caesar was divine.One thing lead to another and by and by Rome had this thing called the Imperial Cult. First Julius then other dead Caesars were voted by the Roman senate to be divine. Somebody built temples to them, where people actually worshiped and prayed to the dead guy who was now a God living in Heaven.

    In 495 BC Cleomedes entered the holy sanctuary of the Goddess Athena, hid in a chest. When the Astypalaeans opened the chest ... it was empty! Cleomedes had become immortal.

    Worship of a miracle working, walking, talking godman who brings slavation—was also the core of other ancient religions that began at least a thousand years before Jesus. Heaven, hell, prophecy, demon possession, sacrifice, initiation by baptism, communion with God through a holy meal, the Holy Spirit, monotheism, immortality of the soul, and many other "Christian" ideas all belonged to earlier, older Pagan faiths. They were simply part of ancient Mediterranean culture. Along with miracle working sons of God, born of a mortal woman, they were common elements of pre-Christian Pagan religion. Mithras had 'em. So did Dionysus, Attis, Osiris, and Orpheus. And more.

    So how come when Jesus is described as
    the Son of God,
    born of a mortal woman,
    according to prophecy,
    turning water into wine,
    raising girls from the dead, and
    not a myth?

    And how come, in a culture with all those Sons of God, where miracles were science, where Heaven and Hell and God and eternal life and salvation were in the temples, in the philosophies, in the books, were dancing and howling in street festivals, how come we imagine Jesus and the stories about him developed all on their own, all by themselves, without picking up any of their stuff from the culture they sprang from, the culture full of the same sort of stuff?

    And they had them generations—centuries— before Jesus was a twinkle in Saint Paul's eye.

  • tst08@xanga

    that all men be liars and God true, I say that God deceived man into writing graven images and considering them holy.


    just my take. I know I'm right. reading the bible is idolatry, according to the bible anyway
  • tst08@xanga

    @PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - "Modern people love "context doesn't matter" because it allows full freedom to assign meaning to holy scripture according personal feelings, tastes and beliefs. " just like the authors intended nig

  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    @tst08@xanga - Then I will assign my own meaning to your comments and proclaim them and everything else you say, complete nonsense.

    See how that works?

    Assigning your own meaning to that which already has meaning leads straight to ingrained, intractable ignorance because rational discussion is no longer possible.
  • tst08@xanga

    @PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - hell yeah, welcome to judgment and the great apostasy bitch

  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    @tst08@xanga - Luckily, orthodox Christianity values reason.

    For it is through reason that human beings can communicate peacefully and effectively.

  • zoetherat@xanga
    I agree that context matters. However, ppl can pick and choose when to apply context and what context to apply. They can make up contexts to fill in gaps in the bible, to smooth over contradictions, or to make the bible reflect their own beliefs. How one chooses to use context is one of the things that makes the bible open to interpretation. While i mostly agree on points 1 and 3, i take exception to point 2. Technically, i'm sure you're right that most biblical scholars agree on the major issues. However, i think that deserves a big asterisk. When i hear about a big consensus in academic subjects like science or history, I believe in the consensus position because i assume that consensus arose from evidence. That's why it holds weight. We can't make that assumption when it comes to theology. The reason why many ancient Christian controversies are no longer controversies isn't due to us having more evidence than they had. It's just that due to popularity and/ or coersion, one side of the debate was eliminated. And Christians today are descended from the other side, whose theological positions they've inherited. 
  • tst08@xanga

    @PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - @PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - reason is the primary gift that lucifer bestowed upon us when he tempted the serpent to tempt eve.


    now we think the only way to get into heaven is to not have sex, because most people think rape is a way to fall in love.


    I think channeling lucifer with a girl is a great way to attract the attention of God, but then again I'm pretty fucking jaded.


    We are not ignorant of the devices of satan. We are ignorant of the devices of men, reason being the prime device of enlightened men. Those are not the men to fear. The ones to fear are the ones who practice rape, abomination, and adultery to your ruin, your woman's ruin, and the world's ruin, just because it's something popular to do.


    It doesn't bother me because I no longer believe in the concept of a victim.


    If you can't take getting made fun of for not being a whore, then you shouldn't hang out with rapists and adulterers. In other words, you shouldn't live in america and you shouldn't even exist on this planet, period.


    There are no human beings. There are undefiled sons of men, and there are rotten empty corpses animated by devils.



    clothes make the corpse!


    try reasoning with God and see how much wrath you incur. A lot, until it's all poured out.


    keep pissin him off and he won't even care if you call him Ra, as long as you're still calling him.


    god gets lonely, decides to commit suicide, gets raped for the rest of eternity. that's the new testament.

  • tst08@xanga

    I discredited this article before I even read it. As far as I'm concerned, people are too stupid to know what God or Jesus were ever talking about, so whatever they wrote probably doesn't matter anyway.

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