Wednesday, 18 April 2012

  • What Is Hell and Who Goes?

    [This is reposted as part of our Best-Of Revelife Week. It was originally posted on September 10, 2009.]

    In a recent comment, Xanga's resident Theologian suggested that objecting to Christianity because the doctrine of hell seems cruel is like objecting to mathematics because it is too rigid and unbending.

    I understand the idea.  Reality is what it is, and your feelings don't make a whole lot of difference.  But at the same time, whether hell is a place of conscious torment is not the same kind of fact as 2+3=5.  It is not self-evidently true, and we could imagine it being otherwise.  In fact, in the case of hell, there is no one section in the Bible from which our beliefs are culled.  Instead, we construct our image of the afterlife from numerous sections, some of them quite poetic.

    What we end up with is a range of possible interpretations.

    1. Hell is eternal conscious torment.  This is probably the most common view held by evangelicals.  It is also the most strongly objected to by Christians on moral grounds.

    2. Hell is self-inflicted suffering.  In this view, made popular by C. S. Lewis in works like The Problem of Pain, those in hell choose to be there rather than with God the same way an alcoholic chooses alcohol over his own health.  There is suffering, but it is not inflicted by God in retribution for sins committed, but is the natural result of choosing anything other than God. 

    3. Hell is annihilation.  In this view, eternal judgment is not eternal in its duration, but in its consequences.  Rather than forever torturing those who will not or cannot be rehabilitated, God simply unmakes them. 

    4. Hell is empty.  Finally, it is not impossible for a Bible-believing Christian to hold that all humans will eventually be saved.  The letters of Paul support this view the most, with statements like, "All who died in Adam will be made alive in Christ."  Proponents of this view often hold to the idea that things aren't necessarily settled when we die, and that there is still room for moral and spiritual change in the "afterlife," an idea Lewis explored in The Great Divorce.

    In addition to the range of possibilities over what Hell actually is, scripture is not explicit about who will be there.  Again, we have a range of plausible interpretations.

    1. Only those who have heard and accepted the gospel will be saved.  This is perhaps the most common Christian view, and the one usually assumed by non-believers.

    2. Some may be saved through Christ without knowing they are saved through Christ.  Some Christians point to Biblical passages that claim that, "God has not left himself without a witness," and the concept of general revelation, as well as general fairness, to argue that those who are in no position to hear or accept the gospel may be saved nonetheless on the basis of how the responded to the revelation they did have.  This could be applied to the very young, the mentally handicapped, those who have not heard the gospel and those who have very legitimate reasons for rejecting the gospel they did hear, whether that means because of intellectual objections or because of inhumanity committed by those entrusted with the message.

    3. Some may have a chance to accept the gospel after their death.  Because scripture consistently presents God as desiring that all be saved, and portrays Christ as having conquered death and as holding the keys to death and Hades, some interpreters question why death should be a barrier to a person's salvation.  Several passages also seem to imply that acceptance or rejection of God can take place in the afterlife. 

    4. All might be saved.  Some interpreters have argued that the passages describing hell may only describe what it is we are being saved from.  Nobody necessarily has to go there.  Not all Christians accept Christian universalism as orthodox, but universalists argue that it is predicated on the same logic as Calvinist accounts of predestination, only with the conclusion that God has chosen all to be saved, rather than a few. 

    Christians definitely disagree over which of these best fits the full testimony of scripture, but these are the biblical possibilities. 

    Which of these views is closest to your own?  Which ones seem least likely to you?  How does each of these views reflect on God's character? 

    -NDSR

Comments (7)

  • Pollypinks@xanga

    We love to tell unworthy others of their need for redemption from hell, yet, if God is so gosh darn perfect, why would he purposefully create most of his children to burn in torment?  Is he capable of such hate?  And, why do we ignore the plethora of scriptures that specifically state all mankind will see God's salvation?  Why is there never any discussion there?  And, why was the subject of hellfire, damnation, and torment, specifically added to the Vatican's version of what has become the King James Bible, and not used as a tool to frighten people into the church before Rome got a hold of translating the Bible?  Where, oh where, are the answers to these questions?

  • Captric@xanga

    Hell is another Christian pliagerization of ancient pagan religions that existed 3000 years or more before Christianity. It used to be called Hades and is prevelant in Greek Mythology. So if it was a "myth" along with Apollo and Zeus why is it a FACT when applied to Christianity?

    Religions are for the non thinking and under educated lower classes in all societies. 
  • SirNickDon@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - I believe sweeping generalizations are also plagiarized from ancient pagan religions.  

  • Captric@xanga

    @SirNickDon@xanga -  Hmmmm - i am not quite sure what your point is. Much that is attributed to Jesus has in fact been adopted from other religions. For example: A comparison between Jesus Christ and the Indian god Krishna reveals some 29 identical or similar incidents in their lives. There are also many similarities between Buddhist stories and those in the New Testament. Buddhas mother was a virgin, he fasted for 49 days and was tempted by Satan. He performed healing miracles and fed 500 persons with one small cake. Yet these stories about Buddha preceded Jesus by over 5 centuries.

    Many of the sayings attributed to Jesus can be found in the Buddhist scriptures. Even the well-known Sermon on the Mount for example has been shown to have been taken almost word for word from a manuscript written centuries before Jesus was born.

    The ancient Babylonian sacred teaching said, 'Do not return evil to your adversary; Requite with kindness the one who does evil to you, Maintain Justice for your enemy, Be friendly to your enemy.' (The Akkadian Councils of Wisdom, cited in Pritchard's Ancient Near Eastern Text.)"

    Other ideas preceding the Bible include the stories about the Garden of Eden, the birth of woman from man, Noah's flood, the Tower of Babel and the story of Moses and the bulrushes, All have been borrowed from Mesopotamian peoples. So there is no doubt that Christians plagiarised the ideas from the religious writings of others.

  • FullTruthSeeker@xanga

    To keep it in perspective I recall that Jesus went there to preach to the captives.  With that in mind, hell  might be the complete absence of a relationship with God.  However since Jesus went there once then if he wants to visit he can go there again.  It means there is no reason why a person should not have hope.  Added up, there is no pure hell.

  • When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga

    Hell is a fairytale that's difficult to take seriously. 


    Even if you take the bible as truth, a study of the language used will disclose hell in the first testament as a burning heap outside of Jerusalem, a mass unholy grave that signified nothing more than the lack of the afterlife. The modern interpretation of Hell doesn't come off to me as anything but early Western common-era archetypes creeping into the New Testament scholarship. This is why Jews don't believe in Hell, and rightly so.
  • markdohle
    yay!

    Sin, if looked at in its best light, points to the fact that we in fact do choose.  i am with CS Lewis on this.  To think that God sends people to hell to suffer for all eternity is absurd, Jesus came to save us from our own sinfulness.  Hell is a choice to remain in a state of sin and  tochoose not to repent.  Is anyone in Hell?  I pray everday for the savation of all.  The Our Father point to his, it is a universal prayer for all. 



    peace
    Mark

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