Tuesday, 09 June 2009

  • Curse Words in the Bible?

     
    Somewhere along the line, Christians took the biblical commands against "perverse language" and "corrupt communication" and equated that with the Seven Words You Can't Say On The Radio.  In fact, those Seven Words seem to have taken on an almost mystical quality among Christian youth, with code words and substitutions being employed ("the b-word," "the f-bomb").  I remember in youth group once I got in trouble for even spelling a curse word out.

    We've talked about this before.  I remain convinced that verbal practices such as gossip, slander, tearing-down-of-one-another, sowing discord--those practices far better fit the description of "perverse language" than what modern Christianity considers "profanity."  You can destroy someone with your tongue (cf. James 3:1-10), and you don't need to use "profanity" to do it.  While on the other hand, the only reason "shit" (the Saxon-based word) is profane and "excrement" (the Latin-based word) is not is usage--there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the Saxon word as opposed to the Latin word.  In essence, curse words are offensive because they are commonly used as though they are offensive.  Social convention, that's all.

    Since this discussion has broken out again (with rumor having it that one Christian recording label balked at publishing a Derek Webb album because, supposedly, one song contained the word "shit"), and since people are talking about why curse words are bad again, I thought I'd point something out. 



    "Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?"  (1 Samuel 20:30, KJV)

    This is from the part of the Bible where Prince Jonathan covered for David while David snuck off home, and the mad king Saul was ticked because Saul was planning on killing David.  Shortly after this exchange, Saul throws a spear and tries to kill his own son.

    Look at this passage, though.  "Son of a perverse rebellious woman?"  Sure, that's the literal translation, but think.  Saul's really angry, and he's shouting at his son, but the English translators of many Bible translations seem to be beating around the bush here.  What Saul says here, ben 'avah marduwth, is a colloquialism.  In Hebrew it's quite vulgar.  Modern English has a very similar colloquialism with an equivalent meaning.

    Saul's basically calling Jonathan a "stupid son of a bitch."  And it's in the Bible.  Just because "son of a perverse rebellious woman" is not a "swear word" outside of Hebrew doesn't take away the meaning of what is being said here.  (Some paraphrase translators do translate it "son of a bitch" or "son of a slut")

    Now, what am I saying here?  Am I saying, "Oh look, Saul did it, it's okay for me too!"  Hardly.  Saul isn't exactly the sort of example I'd want to emulate--and he's certainly using the phrase to tear down his son Jonathan, which would make this fall under the "corrupt communication" category.  But what I'm saying is that there's nothing so wrong with the phrase itself that the writers of the Bible didn't dare record it.  It's wrong to address someone with a phrase like that--to use my tongue to hurt others.  It's not wrong to simply say or write the word--nothing intrinsically wrong with the word itself.  I don't need to cover it up by saying "the b-word."

     

    "The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.  And he [Jesus] said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected."   (Luke 13:31-32)

    Now it gets tricky.  We have Jesus talking here--one whose actions and words Christians DO want to emulate.  And Jesus calls Herod a fox.  That may not sound like such a bad thing in modern English, but remember that in that culture it was a great insult--essentially a "curse word"--to call someone a dog, and a fox is in the dog family.

    When Jesus insulted people, he generally didn't seem to go out of his way to insult them, but he did call things as he saw them.  His insults tended to be descriptive.  The most common things he called the Pharisees were "blind guides" and "hypocrites."  If he called Herod a "fox," it makes sense that this was a descriptive insult--presumably saying that Herod was crafty or wily or cowardly.

    Elsewhere in the gospels, both Jesus and John the Baptist refer to certain people as "vipers," or a "generation of vipers."  Again, this seems descriptive of particular traits, not something Jesus threw around indiscriminately.  I don't know if "vipers" was as offensive in that culture as "fox" was, though.  But the point being, in either case, the writers of the Bible didn't "bleep out" Jesus, or "bleep out" Saul.  They recorded it as it was said.



    The language usage of the Bible extends to the scatological, too.  Check out Philippians 3:8.

    "Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ..."  (Philippians 3:8, KJV)

    I've heard praise songs based on this verse.  Perhaps unsurprisingly, none of them included the part about dung.

    Some modern translations put it, "I consider them rubbish" or "I count them as garbage" or more rarely "filth."  Which can be a correct translation, though the Greek word being translated (skubalon) can also refer to literal animal dung.  I would hazard that a colloquial modern equivalent might be something like "They're not worth shit."  (But then, you're also talking to someone who hears "Hell no!" every time Paul writes "Certainly not!")

    Michael J. Sviegel agrees, albeit in a humor column.

    "The problem with translations like “refuse” and “rubbish” in today’s idiom is that the recent movement... towards recycling implies that almost all refuse or rubbish has some value. Likewise, even “dung” could be construed as having usefulness at least as fertilizer. Only a harsher term like “crap” would indicate the utter uselessness that Paul had in mind."

    Even leaving off my colorful self-paraphrase, it seems an odd place for a scatological reference.  Half of the reason words like "shit" are considered profanity is that they deal with unclean bodily fluids (the other half being their origins in a peasant language)--so why does Paul choose a word that references such?  He doesn't seem afraid to reference unpleasant bodily functions to describe things he finds distasteful or useless.

    You also have the Old Testament custom of describing adult male as "he who pisseth against a wall"--one's method of urination being part of what defines one.  Again, there's no real way around the fact that the original language of the Bible was not always squeamish when it came to describing bodily fluids.  (There are times when it is--someone defecating is described through the careful euphemism  "covering their feet," such as Saul in David's cave or where the guards thought King Eglon was.)

    Again, my point is that there is nothing wrong with saying or writing the words themselves.  My stance is that there is nothing wrong with the particular sequence of vowels and consonants that make up curse words.  They're only wrong if they're used in a wrong way--to harm.



    There are words that the Bible says we should not say, or at least not say without very good reason and in the right attitude.  But rather than being crude words or words referring to vulgar bodily acts (shit, ass, fuck) or insulting/cursing words (damn, hell, bitch, bastard), the words we should be careful saying are the holy, sacred words.

    "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."

    The writers of the Bible held the name of God to be so holy, they would never pronounce it aloud--they would only write it down.  When reading the Bible aloud, when they got to the place where the Tetragrammaton (the name of God) was written, instead they would say "Adonai" (which means "My lord").  In fact, centuries later when vowel marks were incorporated into the Hebrew language, copiers of the Bible put Adonai's vowels into the YHWH consonants (possibly because by that point the correct pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton had long since been forgotten).  (Later, the mistaken combination of the two words by those who didn't understand the tradition gave us the combination word Yehovah.)

    If there are any words that we as Christians aren't supposed to say lightly, it's not what we've come to understand as the "curse words," but rather the holy ones.  With the "curse words," there's nothing intrinsically wrong with pronouncing them, only with how we use them.

Comments (67)

  • QuantumStorm@xanga

    //With the "curse words," there's nothing intrinsically wrong with pronouncing them, only with how we use them.//

    +10

  • anonymous

    I'm especially guilty of saying "Jesus Fucking Christ" whenever I'm surprised.

  • HeartOfPandora@xanga

    Ahahaha the bible swears, y'all just made my day!

  • Advance_Placement@xanga

    daaaamnnn u did a research paper on this joint
    hahahaha

  • ellicepark@xanga

    revelife has such nice blogs :)

    anyway. agreed.
    and yes. today's culture, for what it claims, is definitely a lot more sensitive and "politically correct"-happy than ever before.

  • Pashe@xanga

    I love this post, I needed to read it.

    p

  • KariStar86@xanga

    Great, great post. You make a lot of sense, and you've clearly researched it well. And I love this line - "(But then, you're also talking to someone who hears "Hell no!" every time Paul writes "Certainly not!")

    I personally think cussing is distasteful, but not immoral - unless it is used to express something immoral.

  • PhoeniXtreme86

    Definitely insightful. I've wondered this all too often- what makes a curse word a 'curse word'. Like who decides what is profane and what is not, especially when it comes to those 'filter words' like dang, shoot, etc...You are basically portraying the same emotions, just using different words.

    Good post.

  • MagisterTom@xanga

    The problem with cussing isn't that it's not biblical. It's that it is rather crude and offensive when such things usually aren't needed. If I needed to make a point like Jesus or Paul did in the examples above, then I would use such words, but that rarely happens.

    Curse words for the most part just make you look ignorant.

  • KnowingHimm@xanga

    @Queer - That's also considered taking the Lord's name in vain.

    @Pashe@xanga - are you serious about your profile pic?

    in regards to the post you also have to realize that the bible also says that a person should be in control of their tongues.  “With it we bless our Lord and Father, and
    with it we curse men who are made in God’s likeness. Out of the same
    mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things should not
    be this way” (James 3:9-10). Christians should also he held to a higher standard. Words spoken should be
    “gracious” and “seasoned with salt” (Col. 4:6).

  • designandart@xanga

    Sometimes when I'm "preaching" about evil I get really worked up and use "profanity". And at the time the words express my points completely. But after and things are back to normal I've felt guilty, like I had sinned. Now I know it's okay, thanks.

  • Faerie_In_Combat_Boots@xanga

    ...words are only evil if we make them evil...
    For example, 'pants' was supposedly a bad word back in the 1800's...but look at it now! XD

  • xximperfectgaffexx@xanga

    Haha! It's strange that they cover up these things in the bible. One of the things I like about the Bible is that it's open about everything, prostitution, deception, and etc. (And of course the good things too!)
    My priest actually allows us to curse, he says that "hell" and "damn" are in the Bible and therefore acceptable! lol XD

  • Pashe@xanga

    @KnowingHimm@xanga - Yes I am serious about the profile pic, I am black, I am educated, I like it.

    I am not out of control of my tongue if I use profanity. I don't use it on this site because I am around Christians. If you were to go to my site you would see something different. I cuss there, sometimes a lot and I am fine w/ it. I spend a lot of time w/ non-Christians and if I spoke that way they would not take me seriously. Not only that but I still don't buy the argument that using cuss words is somehow less holy than not using them. They are equal. The only people making the other determination is other Christians. Non-Christians don't care and I am glad that more and more Christians realize the foolishness of that too.

    p

  • mrsviolet

    @Faerie_In_Combat_Boots@xanga - pants here in the UK still has some connotations with it, my Australian kids were quite surprised the first time they used the words and got giggles and strange looks from the neighborhood kids.

    Just like when they went outside in their thongs!

  • heidi_helen@xanga

    Great post, I find this really useful and beneficial. I really dislike when people use God's name as a swearword. It's really offensive and going against God's command not to use his name in vain. How would people like their name to be taken and used as a curse, as a dirty word, an expression of frustration? It's very disrespectful, and hurtful. I agree we must not use holy words lightly, or disrespectfully.


    -Heidi

  • Faerie_In_Combat_Boots@xanga

    @mrsviolet - Hahaha. Then I'm right. ;]
    Ohmygosh! Thanks for telling me that; I'm totally going to go around saying I'm wearing a thong today! XD

  • HLPU@xanga

    What we consider profanity, those little words usually referring to some sexual act or bodily waste, are 'profane' only because they were considered a lower class form of English.  Other languages have no such class distinctions (e.g. the French) and use such quite vividly.  Now, to use the name of the Divine, that is us trying to manipulate God or make judgment which is not our rightful providence.  We ought to use God's name properly, when addressing a prayer or praise to Him. That being said, Martin Luther, being a German, used the common profanity to make points about our sinfulness, e.g., 'in our sinful selves were are like pieces of ____________ (add your favorite demeaning noun here).'  What is profane in the secular sense is a matter of society, like the 'n' word for persons of a darker skin tone, formerly acceptable, but now profane.  As Christians, we strive to avoid giving offense, in words we use or actions we take, so as not to cause our brother/sister to stumble.

  • NSFWChristian@xanga

    Oddly enough, what you wrote here is a lot like what my whole blog is about.  Only where you're talking about how many Christians won't even pronounce curse words, my blog is more about how many Christians are afraid to even mention sex or acknowledge that it exists.  Bible isn't afraid to use curse words, and it's not afraid to talk about sex either.

    I think that if we were a little less afraid to talk about these things, they'd lose their bogeyman status.

    Good post!

  • DistantStarlight@xanga

    I'm glad Revelife exists. ^.^ Posts like this are fun yet thought-provoking reads.

  • Pass_the_Aura@xanga

    I still blame it on Bowdler. Out, crimson spot!

  • Roadkill_Spatula@xanga

    In regard to language, both Jesus and Paul have strong things to say about language that tears people down. Jesus indicates that cursing people puts you in danger of judgment. Paul ranks gossip and slander with murder and sexual perversion. But both were earthy in their language. It makes me wonder if Jesus ever hit himself in the thumb with a hammer, and what Paul might have said if he stabbed himself in the thumb with a needle.

    We have a spectrum of words for each delicate concept, from most civilized or acceptable to earthiest or crudest: excrement--poop--crap--shit, for instance, or copulation/sexual intercourse--making love--making whoopee--screwing--fucking. While we have freedom within these spectra, we also have Paul's admonition: Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. This probably refers more to content than to vocabulary, but we don't need to be unnecessarily coarse.

    I disagree with @Pashe@xanga that one has to use profanity to maintain the respect of blue-collar workers who use it. People admire confident, secure people who know their jobs and are personable, regardless of whether those people talk like they do.

    Profanity is sometimes a cover for insecurity. When I was in college, freshmen in my dorm used "fuck" all the time. The seniors didn't.

    Sometimes it's more effective to use educated language among those who don't, and conversely, to shake up the stuffed-shirts by using earthy language. Jesus and John the Baptist both shook up the people around them by calling the big-wigs things like "brood of vipers," "whitewashed tombs," and "that fox", but Jesus didn't call the Samaritan woman "whore," nor the woman taken in adultery, "slut," even though those were accurate descriptions. He was respectful to those who had been disrespected their whole lives.

  • Pashe@xanga

    "Profanity is sometimes a cover for
    insecurity. When I was in college, freshmen in my dorm used "fuck" all
    the time. The seniors didn't."

    Sometimes it's an honest expression of a feeling and not insecurity. I say "fuck" because I am angry or because it's funny. I think people forget that curse words can be really, really funny, just look Dave Chapelle, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor... Sometimes I can get people to laugh by a coarse joke and have it not be offensive. Being blunt and honest is sometimes just enough. Granted calling someone a "slut" or "whore" is offensive, just like calling someone a "bitch" is offensive. No one is doing that.  Jesus also called people "raca" which literally means fool but actually it means something much more. So the idea that you can't call people a name is not accurate. He called Peter Satan once too.

    My point is that coarse language is questionable. It's not cut and dry. I spend most of my speech uplifting people as anyone around me would say. But I do, I cuss a lot when I am chillin watching a game...

    p

  • sarahzthoughts@xanga

    As others have mentioned before, I think the intent of your heart is more important than the specific words you use. Example: look how many girls today use the word "bitch" as a term of endearment among their best friends. But if a guy uses that word to describe them...well, only then is it considered an insult.


    I try to be careful about what I say now because to me, cursing just seems evident of a very poor vocabulary. But I admit, if I were to stub my toe or come marginally close to causing an accident on the road, sometimes a word just comes flying out before I can even think twice about it. But even if I were to use a euphemism, like "fudge" instead of the real f-word I don't know if that will make a difference because my intent is still the same no matter which word I use: to express anger.

  • mj_degreat@xanga

    Why anyone would call the bible the word of God is what I cannot still comprehend...
    It can be seen it contains too much curses and craps and the writers portrayed in a very bad character...

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