Friday, 01 February 2013
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Cursing Christians: Finding the Line
By Tom Zuniga
I am not a vile person.I’m a sensitive guy. One of those guys who has restrained his burps for 25 years because I know it’s gross when someone next to you burps like a blow-horn.
I basically just don’t burp. Like, ever. Not even when I’m alone. Call it a gift. Or a really weird hidden talent.
Talk to anyone who knows me intimately, and you’ll find I’m not one for cursing either.
Well, mostly.
Cursing On My Blog
Last week, I posted my first blog with a swear word. One of those obscure words some would consider a curse word and others would not. I won’t repeat it here, but you can find it for yourself if you missed that late-night, stream-of-consciousness post.
Truthfully, I stared at the final draft of that post for several minutes. Wondered if I’d stepped a tad too far — forever crossed some spiritually linguistic virginity line. Strongly debated hitting the “publish” button.
But, well, it was 2am in a coffee shop, and eventually I grew tired of staring and wondering and debating and finally published the DANG thing. For better or worse.
Cursing QuestionsGrowing up in a Christian home, I shuddered at the sight or sound of practically any cursing, be it on screen or in print or in person. Gosh, such awful language. You’d have to be possessed by Satan himself to speak like that.
Would Jesus use curse words if He were alive in America today? Probably not, but I don’t think He’d have a Facebook or a phone either.
I mean, that’d be weird. Right?
Here’s the truth: people curse. People curse all the time. Christians too. Is it “right”? Is it “being a good testimony”?
Obviously, there are lines. As with smoking. And drinking. And tattooing. And listening to AC/DC. And doing practically anything.
So. How far is too far?
Cursing TV Scripts
Once Upon a Time is climbing my list of all-time favorite TV shows, joining the elite ranks of LOST, Seinfeld, Survivor, and Shark Tank (yes, Shark Tank). Several months ago, I was taken aback by an article about Once‘s R-rated scripts.Yes, Once Upon a Time: the feel-good show about fairy tales and happy endings and true love’s kiss. That show had scripts laced with swear words?? And not meek innocent little wirty-dords either.
I’m talking the big one: the F-dash-dash-dash word.
But I get it; sometimes, the stakes require it. As Once’s producers recall from their time on LOST with writer/producer Damon Lindelof:
You can either be running through the jungle or you can be f–king running through the jungle — What’s more intense?
As it relates to my blog post in question, there is indeed a huge difference between someday perhaps maybe wanting to actually interact with this tall blonde homeless woman I keep seeing, and…well, you know.
Cursing Christian WritersSecret confession: whenever I’ve read “Christian” blogs with cursing included, I’ve felt jealous. They’re getting their point across much more effectively and with far fewer words while also writing truer to their souls than me.
I often despair over this blog. I get despondent because it hardly scratches the core of my being. My identity.
Over the last year and a half, I have held back. Have long felt pressured into conforming to this perfect “Christian writer” mold when I am, in fact, far from perfect. Far messier. A weighty topic I hope to unravel in the weeks to come, both on this blog and my long-awaited newsletter, premiering very soon.
If anyone read my post last week and felt appalled or disappointed or some other overtly negative emotion, I apologize. I certainly don’t strive to offend — again, those who know me intimately understand this TMZ facet very well.
But part of reclaiming and stepping into my identity this year is to write more vulnerably. Bolder. Finding freedom to curse every now and then is only the beginning.I’m not gonna curse here just to do it. I do believe my blog’s first curse word served a purpose. It won’t be the last time. Even if that dreaded f-bomb slips somewhere along the line, know that it was consciously written for a purposed reason.
I’m learning “being a good testimony” often means being real. Christians can be so fake about their lives and struggles; it’s disheartening. Disheartening to me, and off-putting to non-Christians at large.
Sometimes life isn’t flowery. Sometimes life does suck, and sometimes life can f-ing suck too. That’s life.
Jesus hung out with swindlers and prostitutes and the demon-possessed. I don’t think cursing scares Him.
But maybe that’s just me.
What are your thoughts? Should Christians curse? Are you turned off by Christians who curse regularly or even sporadically? Do you agree that cursing can serve a definite purpose in writing?
Let’s talk civilly.
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I think Christians often think about language in terms of 'appropriate' and 'inappropriate' words. Rather, we should think about language in terms of 'life-giving' and 'destructive' words. A friend who tells me I need to stop worrying about every damn opinion I hear about my performance using his words to be life giving. Someone who often negatively criticizes me - yet uses no 'inappropriate' words in the process - is being destructive. We've got way too many Christians that stay away from words they consider 'inappropriate' yet are constantly negative, destructive, and selfish with their speech.
I've been around on the planet longer than many of you folks and I have seen the trend to liberalize all areas of our lives. I have been a Christian for half of my life and I have become more and more disappointed with the liberalization; this means more than what is appropriate/inappropriate. It is more like, "from the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. I am only addressing Christians and the liberalization of Christians. Those that are not Christians are accounted differently. I am NOT a prude or holier-than-thou; the Holy Spirit within me has made that quite apparent but I see a dangerous trend among those who "claim" to represent the God of all creation.
Let's form a picture in your mind of Jesus Christ on the cross before He expired. He had the opportunity to throw "F-bombs", curse those that were responsible for His demise, even curse His mother for His birth as Job did. However, not only did He refuse to do that, but asked the God over ALL creation to FORGIVE them because they didn't know what they were doing!
"But I am only using it for effect" you might say or "for emphasis". Let's go back to the beginning of the English language for a moment. Weren't there enough effective words at that time to make a point? Is it necessary to "trash" the language just because it HAS BECOME accepted to do it? I have lived with it (and used it myself), especially in the Navy, for many years and I have found that I limit my friends many times for the very reason I mentioned above; if the heart is speaking vulgarity, I don't need to be around them, or yield to the temptation to do the same. I will say it again, I am NOT a prude or holier-than-thou. I firmly believe that it does not enhance, but rather detract from the point being made. I want you to realize that this is just MY opinion and I am willing to miss the great friendship that might have been had I been willing to live with profuse expletives. I have learned to see the color of the heart that I witness to and befriend. Some individuals speak truth through expletives and are seeking and others show the selfish need for attention. I try to "feel" the difference and act appropriately
The easiest way to determine the heart I have found is to pose a question toward the end of a converstion that will elicit a reaction. When "F-bombs" and putdowns come my way, the distinction has been made. WWJD becomes a valid view of conversation AND life. Did He need to explicate His point with vulgar expletives or was the Greek and Aramaic language enough ? JMHO Dan
Cursing is uncivilized and un-Christian.
Would Jesus say "Go and F*** no more?" I even feel convicted making this point.
If anyone thinks he is religious without controlling his tongue, then his religion is useless and he deceives himself.
–James 1:26
Allow the Spirit to guide the conscience.
Should I want to model my behaviors by the example of secular relative morals or on the absolute morals of my God?
This is a no-brainer!
Stop making a case for cursing and give this rest.
I don't think it is a big deal at all. God is interested in a person's thoughts and intentions. He is not beholden to society's notions. And if you say you stepped in "poop" or "shit", it seems to me to be a lot more like legalism to fuss over which word one chooses to use.
@eshunt - So, just as long as I do not utter words deemed by society (not the Bible) as "curse words", I have controlled my tongue, am not deceiving myself and am "religious"? Okay, got it.
@mtngirlsouth@xanga - @eshunt - I agree on Mtngirl's point.
You are using that scripture sort of out of context.
The bible doesn't say not to use certain words, it says not to CURSE people. Which, in the context is very different than "cursing/cussing" ... According to the bible, calling a brother (for instance) a "fool" would be MUCH more offensive to Christ's ears than saying "f***"...
The f word is JUST a word. It is not a curse to anyone directly unless used that way. Does this mean we should "go around" using it? No.
It actually makes me VERY upset when I see a group of christians sitting around talking about someone behind their back, or mocking someone, or a variety of OTHER things but then someone says something or EFFING other, and EVERYONE at the table's jaw drops and their tsk tsking...
It seems to me, that it should actually be the OPPOSITE. As Christians, we are supposed to be un-offendable... but, at the same time, we are NOT supposed to be slandering/cursing our brothers, etc... Something is wrong in the thinking here.
But Peter WAS a vulgar man, and he was also the man that Christ founded His church on.
You do what you want. Right or wrong to God isn't mine to decide. @mtngirlsouth@xanga @LKJSlain@xanga
@eshunt - I don't see the argument as being weak. I see it as being an actual question AND the truth.
There is no where in the bible that says not to use curse words.
It says not to CURSE someone.
@LKJSlain@xanga - Thank you.
<= that's me.
I'm 61 this year.
I worked hard all my life. I said what I believe. I'm not changing my mind.
You don't have to please me about it, beg for my forgiveness nor agree with me. I don't have to agree with what you think. In fact, I think you are wrong. That doesn't matter to you. That's the way it is and that's fine by me. I going to forget about it.
I cursed when I worked in construction 40 some years ago. I cursed often. I decided it is uncivilized. Later I decided it is un-Christian. I practiced not cursing. It was hard at first. I don't curse anymore -- for years and years now. Take it as it is; the opinion of what to you is an old man. We can leave it alone because I don't have any authority over you.
I am being fair about it. You asked me. I think what I said applies fine.
@mtngirlsouth@xanga - @LKJSlain@xanga -
@LKJSlain@xanga - Actually, it does say Ephesians 4:29, “Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.”
cursing is a sign of weakness and lack of education: weakness in case you use them to sound tough or get people to listen to you, when usually you do not have strong enough arguments to not need any special "tricks"; education in case that you do not know better words to express the same thing.
I sometimes use cursewords to make fun of things by inverting them in laughable manner just for strong effect among friends, but when it comes to writing of any sort I don't think the f word makes a better adjective, noun or verb for ANYTHING, EVER. Absolutely no need to use alternatives to crap, no need to use any of that at all if you speak of ideas and places. If you are angry, it is understandable if you say it out loud; but if it isn't a character's line, then it's useless.
@Ellieserenity@xanga - But again, this is taken out of context. CORRUPT means something other than cussing in this instance. It's referring to how we speak about one another. An inspection of the verse in different translations makes that VERY obvious as it says, "but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs"... this is not referring to cussing. It's referring to how we treat one another and what we say. Actually, if you read the whole chapter, it becomes even more evident that this is what it's referring to.
Again, the bible's focus is on CURSING others, and calling them names.
@eshunt - All I'm saying is that saying that someone's argument is weak without telling me WHY it's weak is rather...well... weak.
I respect you and your opinion, but that doesn't change what I said.
The bible no where says thou shalt not use cuss words.
It DOES say "thou shalt not take the lord's name in vein" and it DOES say not to curse someone.
Now, there are certain verses that you could use to say that cussing would be horrible, yes. But, the arguments I've heard for those scriptures often fall weak themselves, especially since there are some people who conclude that (shock coming up) Christ DID in fact cuss.
WHAT?!?!? WHAT YOU SAY?!!?!?
I know, I know. I don't know that I fully believe it either. I probably have to go back and do the studies again myself. But, it would seem that in certain instances Christ used some words directly to those who deserved it that would have been the equivalent of cussing in that day and age.
They would have been considered offensive and undeserved except that Christ knew the hearts of the people who used to say them at.
Again, it's something that I probably need to go and research again, but I had quite a few people show me this at the time.
It was many years ago... but, yeah.
Ultimately, I'm actually glad to be speaking with someone who has a brain here (haha don't take that the wrong way, I mean it actually... I get so used to speaking to people who just want to whine, growl, and name call, etc)
@eshunt - @Ellieserenity@xanga - I wholeheartily agree. I have done my time cussing as well but, looking back it only appeared to show my ignorance, not emphasis. As a radio announcer for the military, I was given two days to stop it completely and I made it. This is not to show how good I am but to show how easily it can stop if necessary. That was 50 years ago and it almost never returned (only an occasional slip). I don't use dang or darn, but as an ex-farmer/rancher , horse, cow, dog poop or crap was common rather than dung(who uses dung anyway?)
Since it appears to be so popular to curse or cuss, you should have no problem using those words in a job interview, or before your congregation in a prayer or maybe the youth Sunday School class. Throw an "f"bomb now and then, they would appreciate it I'm sure. It has NOTHING to do with judgmentalness but everything to do with representing Jesus Christ. Dan
Since cussing seems to be OK and Peter, since he was a vulgar man, as slain says, lets extend that to David as well because he was a warrior and we ALL know warriors swore, don't we!. Let's take newspeak and put it into David's Psalm 19:12-14 since God doesn't seem to care, right?
Psalm 19:12-14 Newspeak translation
12 Who can discern his sh--ting errors? Forgive my f---ing hidden faults.
13 Keep your f---ing servant also from those G..damn willful sins, may they f----ing not rule over me,
Then I will be f---ing blameless, f---ing innocent of sh--ting great transgression.
14 May the f---ing words of my f---ing mouth and the f---ing meditation of my sh--ting heart
be pleasing in your f---ing sight, O Lord, my f---ing Rock and my sh--ting Redeemer.
Hey, I think we're really on to something now. THAT will really bring glory to God, won't it!!!
And just think, I only used 3 of the common words. Just think what we could do using all of them. Thank you Lord for letting me help you because I know you were struggling for the right words to use. Dan
@LKJSlain@xanga - It sounds like a language barrier when it comes to understanding these certain parts of the bible. In old slavonic, it's a completely different word, which sounds kind of like "dirtmouthery", something that is born of cursing someone or something, whether a creation of god or person. A swearing word can kill. It is generally accepted that the lips that praise the lord must not utter words that make demons happy. "
For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” -Matthew 12 37
@Ellieserenity@xanga - As I said, read the rest of the chapter.
@danPs73@xanga - You misunderstand (unfortunately) I'm not saying that one should walk around saying these words left and right, nor am I saying that they're always excusable. What I'm saying is that as Christians we tend to condemn people for using those words when in reality the bible says very little about CUSSING. It talks on cursing, and yes, it does say things about the mouth and the words that come from it. But, usually in a context that refers to HOW we speak about one another not what word we said.
There are some people who will tell you that Christ actually used some pretty STRONG MOUTHED words when calling out the Pharisees. Words that would have been considered offensive and even might equate to "cussing" now days. It is merely that the offensive words were not "sh**" and "f***" etc.
Do I believe that? I don't know. I did do a study on the entire subject one time. ^_^
It's unfortunate to me that in your response you're really making a mockery of what is actually being said here. No one would agree that the words are appropriate where you used them. That would be pretty un-necessary.
The reality is what I said before is true. The bible makes it pretty clear REPEATEDLY that Christ would be more offended by our slander and mockery of others than us saying the F word. And yet, it is widely known that in the church slander, mockery, etc are very very very common. But no one does anything about it. Yet, when someone says the Fword everyone jumps all over that.
@LKJSlain@xanga -
My initial comment is written to the author of the blog and to the community. I used a quote from the witness of Jesus and what is recorded of what he's said to the twelve tribes scattered among the nations. The quote I used was James 1:26 and it is generally regarding listening and doing. I think it is enough. Here is an expanded text of James 1:19-27 from James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, where it is recorded for us:
19 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20 for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. 21 Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.
22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.
26 If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. 27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
This is what I summarized, earlier before your entry into the thread when I said:
"Cursing is uncivilized and un-Christian.
Would Jesus say "Go and F*** no more?" I even feel convicted making this point. If anyone thinks he is religious without controlling his tongue, then his religion is useless and he deceives himself. – James 1:26
Allow the Spirit to guide the conscience.
Should I want to model my behaviors by the example of secular relative morals or on the absolute morals of my God?
This is a no-brainer!
Stop making a case for cursing and give this rest."
The argument from @mtngirlsouth@Xanga is this:
"I don't think it is a big deal at all. God is interested in a person's thoughts and intentions. He is not beholden to society's notions. And if you say you stepped in "poop" or "shit", it seems to me to be a lot more like legalism to fuss over which word one chooses to use.
[and then to me:] So, just as long as I do not utter words deemed by society (not the Bible) as "curse words", I have controlled my tongue, am not deceiving myself and am "religious"? Okay, got it."
That argument is weak in that it 1) ignores what is recorded from James, the witness and servant of our Christ (God the Son), 2) it in no way acknowledges that cursing is considered profane by definition, and 3) fails to address that we are commanded to develop a conscience (summarized), and 4) I said we are to allow the Spirit to guide the conscience and model our behaviors on the absolute morals of my God and this too is ignored.
The argument from you, @LKJslain@Xanga is " I agree on Mtngirl's point. [lets remember she didn't address even one of my points with hers]
You are using that scripture sort of out of context. [I've added that and clearly I am sitting here thinking would I read James or argue with someone about context - there isn't any contextual issue here - I read James.]
The bible doesn't say not to use certain words, it says not to CURSE people. Which, in the context is very different than "cursing/cussing" ... According to the bible, calling a brother (for instance) a "fool" would be MUCH more offensive to Christ's ears than saying "f***"... The f word is JUST a word. It is not a curse to anyone directly unless used that way. Does this mean we should "go around" using it? No. It actually makes me VERY upset when I see a group of christians sitting around talking about someone behind their back, or mocking someone, or a variety of OTHER things but then someone says something or EFFING other, and EVERYONE at the table's jaw drops and their tsk tsking...
It seems to me, that it should actually be the OPPOSITE. As Christians, we are supposed to be un-offendable... but, at the same time, we are NOT supposed to be slandering/cursing our brothers, etc... Something is wrong in the thinking here. [I used the word cursinsing not curse and I provided a biblical quote that has the correct context about communication skills and I used the word correctly according to the way is is defined. all of your paragraph fails to change my mind about my two points thus far from my presentation.]
But Peter WAS a vulgar man, and he was also the man that Christ founded His church on. [Is not relevant. Peter's words are not being examined anyplace in thread before you add him and it is an example out of context. Peter didn't defend cusing either did he.]"
You provided a failed argument after the previous failed argument. I used the term "weak" while in fact your argument is "failed"
So, young lawyer. Please leave this alone. A lawyer gets paid to defend those that do wrong. You are making statements to defend cursing and do it free of charge. No one was accused but me. You accused me of using scripture out of context and "failed." You've been mistaken and now twice made arguments that 1) wrong me first, and 2) changes the words and fail to acknowledge correctly used definitions and context.
You've not harmed me. However, your haste and incorrect failed arguments are not normally accepted as inoffensive. You are offending. I am unharmed and not even annoyed. Stop and clean up the mess you made before you'd proceed here to prove to anyone that you have a valid argument. The truth is easy to see that you do not. You've twice stated failed arguments. You should leave this topic alone and you must withdraw your failed arguments given aginst me. I won that round and you should not have another chance.
If it is right to issue cursing, stand up in your Church today and announce your support for cursing in God's place. You'd not do that. Stop defending the failed arguement.
@danPs73@xanga - I see, you as did I, changed improper profane habits.
The author of this article makes a case that cursing is generally not used when he writes. He made a use of a word he said that "some would consider a curse word and others would not" and he's made no case for that cursing is widely acceptable except perhaps in secular literature.
You've made an argument that in Christian dialog and places and in public that Christians would not normally be cursing. @LKJSlain@xanga - "Do not be quick with your mouth, do not be hasty in your heart to utter anything before God. God is in heaven and you are on earth, so let your words be few." - Ecclesiastes 5:2. You failed to overturn Dan's points as sound and reasonable. His work remains fair, correct, Biblically sound, and reasonable.
Dan, our young friend is failing to acknowledge elders as reasonable, fair and correct and we know that we are bending over backwards to give failed arguments weight even though we are violated by ignoring much of what we provide -- from our experiences in the world - and -upon our repentance and conversion to accept God's absolute morals -- and rather than continue to live in contradiction, we've given already so much time generously.
Rather than use our time to defend already failed arguments against us, I hope that we will be given grasciously the award, respect, and acknowledgement of our advice being moral, correct, and reasonable.
Of course, I also believe that we are Biblically correct. I'll not ask for that being also awarded.
Hunt
@LKJSlain@xanga - What I am saying, and I will say it once again a little differently is that God does not live in the church building; we are not called to go and visit God on Sunday at His home in the church. That is the defense you are trying to make and it falls short. I am saying that we represent God EVERYWHERE we go as we are called to be Christ's ambassadors in ALL the world, not just in the Church community.
Your argument is that it is NOT OK in the church to use the same words that are OK to use in the community and in essence you are saying that you ONLY represent God in the building but not in the community. You have been misled, my sister. By your defense alone, you are saying that those words are NOT holy enough before God but are holy enough before man? That is pretty weak, wouldn't you agree? Here is the progression. Words spoken are thoughts spoken, thoughts spoken are heart spoken, the Spirit of God resides in your heart. If cussing is not appropriate before God, what are you saying about the Holy Spirit in your heart?
That is exactly the purpose of me changing the verses into nowspeak above If they are OK in the community, then they should be OK for God to speak, right? Or is it more a matter of quantity? It would be OK with you if God used an occasional F--K in His Word, then you could use those words in the church and around other Christians and not have to guard your words. You are making a great effort to point the finger and judge others for their judgement, but you are ignoring and reducing the subject we are discussing. The author draws the distinction at least by using "occasional" and not in writing. He is making an attempt but your attempt is to point to others with a greater "sin".
God makes a great effort to supply all our needs and many wants in our entire life, not just in the church building because He loves us that much. He gives us every breath whether in church or out of church. He makes no distinction where we represent Him. He sent His son to the cross so that ALL sin is paid for; your cussing as well as there judgmentalness. Keep this passage of scripture in mind as you use your words in the community;
1 Corinthians 6:11-12 (NIV1984)11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
12 “Everything is permissible for me”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”—but I will not be mastered by anything.
@LKJSlain@xanga - Slain said;It seems to me, that it should actually be
the OPPOSITE. As Christians, we are supposed to be un-offendable... but,
at the same time, we are NOT supposed to be slandering/cursing our
brothers, etc... Something is wrong in the thinking here.
I completely agree, something is wrong in the thinking. You are saying that the offense comes from without and we are to be un-offendable but I am saying is that WE initiate the offense, whether THEY are Christians or not! I tolerate profanity and yet try to not profane. You are saying that you have the right to cuss back when you are cussed at and as mentioned above, you DO have that right (it cost Jesus His life) but is it beneficial? Dan
I believe that one can be real without being vulgar.
Some said that when the Bible says to control our tongues God is referring to speaking in ways that are not loving or uplifting toward/about other people.
I think that we should control our tongues by both speaking words of life AND not cursing. If we are called to be holy, and being holy means "set apart", then why are we constantly changing our behavior to be more like the world, rather than more different from it? I can relate to others, understand and empathize, love them and choose not to judge without actually doing or saying the same things they do. Being real is important, but being Christlike and glorifying God in our words and actions, spoken or written, should be our primary goal.
Just my two cents.
@LKJSlain@xanga - Being strong mouthed and swearing like some sailor is very different. I don't think anyone should assume what Christ could've done, it's irrelevant since it has little basis in reality. Saying strong words doesnt mean they have obsene connotations. Similarly, your body is your temple, if you keep giving excuses for uttering dirt, it doesn't cleanse you. Justifying anything won't make it right. Obviously no one should condemn anyone for anything nor judge one another, but f word has to do with mindless screwing and most other words undermine humans to animals - which obviously humans shouldn't be like, but there's negativity to God's creation in every single one of these. Negativity doesn't make you a good person, nor trustworthy, nor open minded- simply just that, negative. I think it should be right under "love thy neighbor", because if you do strive to love others, why would you compare them to animals or be disrespectful...
Besides, swearing is something that came to us recently with the expansion of peoples. It is not progress, it is corruption of the human heart, which continuously falls without Christ. This is an outcome of the fall, not the outcome of God's glory. Therefore it should be purged and avoided in the most respectful manner in order to be good. Watching porn is not explicitly explained in the bible, nor is watching mindless shows, does it mean we should give excuses for it. Genetically Modified Organisms are not under "fruit we shall not eat," doesn't mean it's ok to do it once in a while. These are all corruptions of the natural by humans and can be realized by the very general idea that we must love one another, not change food into that which lets you make more money by making another sick. :)
@eshunt - I still miss your point entirely... so, I suppose I'll just leave it alone as you say haha.
Perhaps it was because you got so lofty and screwy sounding at the end there that in all honesty, I really have no idea what you were saying.
And I'm really not as young as you might think.
@Ellieserenity@xanga - People have been swearing since the dawn of time. It is not new in any regard.
And I sort of miss how you're saying that it demeans people to animals... erm... how? If I hit my leg on a table and I say "Oh sh**!" (Not common btw, but it has happened once or twice in my lifetime)... that demeans no one to anything. That is me sharing my shock and hurt.
When I said "strong words" I meant that (as I said) at the time, they would have been considered offensive.
I cringe a little bit reading some of the rest of your comment... watching porn isn't explained in the bible? Are you serious? Yes, yes it is. Jesus directly said that who so ever looks upon a woman with the intent to lust after her has committed adultery in his heart. This applies to women too. Porn is totally covered in that scripture. There's no wiggle room about it.
As for your comment about food. We're really not speaking about food, we're speaking about cussing. Using a word like "What the he**" or "Oh shi*"...
My question to you is this- tell me where the bible says that someone should not use these words?
My POINT was that Christians jump on that more than they jump on what the bible actually says makes God angry.