Wednesday, 23 January 2013
There is a Christian group on Facebook that I've been part of for a while. The other day, someone had commented that God hates wicked people, and I replied and said that God loves everyone, He just hates what they do -- hate the sin, love the sinner. The administrator of the group was very kind, and said that God does hate the wicked. I know in Psalms 11:5 it says He hates the wicked.
That just kind of surprised me and was a wake-up call for me, I guess. I had always thought God loved everyone unconditionally.
Here is how the conversation went down.Me: God DOES love everyone. He hates wicked deeds, but He loves the person. The Bible says "For God so loved the WORLD", not "For God so loved the righteous", etc.Admin.: While I know that I am in the minority here, the Bible does not say that God hates with deeds of the wicked but He hates the wicked. God loved the world He created but He does not love every person in it. (TB)Me: That's a good point. However, there are two things I don't understand, so maybe someone can help me out. 1. Why is it okay for God to hate the wicked, but if we hate someone, it's considered murder in our hearts? 2. God knows everything, and when He made man, He knew that man was going to be wicked, so why did He regret it if He knew it was going to happen? He didn't have to do it. Also, why did God hate Esau? It seems unfair that Jacob deceived Esau, yet God loved him, and Esau was tricked and betrayed, and God hated him. What gives?Admin.: As a Calvanist [sic] I believe that God created all humanity knowing some would be His own and some would not. Further it is my belief that He created some to be His, and some not. The ones whom God chose for His own - the elect - are the ones Christ died for and the only ones who have ever been and will ever be truly saved. So God can say Jacob I loved but Esau I hated because God created Jacob to be His and Esau not to be. Also when God hates someone it is righteous hatred. Nothing God does is wrong. However when we hate it is not based on righteousness or righteous motives. That is the difference between our hatred being sinful and God's being righteous. (TB)
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I admit I don't know what a Calvinist is, or what the believe, and although Psalms 11:5 does indeed state that God hates the wicked, I'm still having trouble accepting this. The Bible says in John 3:16 that, "For God so loved the world" -- meaning everyone in the world -- and in Luke 5:32, it says Jesus did not come to save the righteous, but the sinners.
If I were to meet a murderer who was interested in Christianity, and he asked me, "Does God love me?" Would the correct answer be "No, God doesn't love you"? Would I be required to say, "Well, the Bible says that God hates the wicked, so yes, but if you turn your life around and live for Him, He'll love you"?
What do you think? If God hated the wicked, He wouldn't have sent Jesus to die for everyone. We're all wicked sinners who need Jesus. Does God continue to still hate wicked people, and love only His own?
How do you respond? Does God love the wicked or hate the wicked? Is there something different about "the wicked" that separates them from the world that God so loves? How do we know who God does and doesn't love?