Saturday, 17 November 2012

  • God's Forgiviness: What if I Break my Promise?

    By Jake

    I am an 18 year old boy and have a question about Gods forgiveness for us on Earth. When I was about 15, I made a promise to God that I would try my hardest to stop chewing tobacco.

    After stopping for maybe a year -- give or take a few months -- I fell to peer pressure and had a chew. Then I forgot about the promise I made and continued to do so. A few times I would remember it, but would just not think about it. I then told God that I would not ever smoke if I could continue to chew -- another promise I broke but later restored. 

    My question is this: will God forgive me for breaking those promises as well as others if I am truly sorry and feel bad? Also, If I continue to chew tobacco despite the promise I made three years ago, will God forgive me if I am truly sorry for breaking my promise but continue to chew?

    When have you broken a promise you've made to God?  Does God forgive you after you break your promises?  What encouragement is there for people who are addicted to unhealthy behaviors?

Comments (17)

  • eshunt

    Romans 5:12
    When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. 


    The good news? 


    God forgives thieves, liars, alcoholics, addicts, adultery, or anyone that sincerely requests His forgiveness. Living differently is the key to continuing success. Large churches probably all include members that are "forgiven" of one or more of the above sins and some include forgiven of maybe worse sins.


    Romans 6:23
    For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.


    Romans 6:15
    Well then, since God's grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not!


    Romans 6:2
    Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?


    What you must do is to live by the covenant of Jesus. Give up peer pressure. Live by the guidance of any that you can find that will give you advice to live for God's eternal gift of grace.


    see also: http://www.revelife.com/765397788/the-reward-for-loving-god-and-loving-others/?=itemrelated&cref=relposts-34349430

     
     

  • NightCometh@xanga

    If our righteousness depended on our ability to keep the law and be good, we'd all be sunk, huh?  Christ died for sinners, repent...do better.  I suggest getting better friends who don't do bad things and tempt you.  

  • Visionary

    Jake, you have two main problems here. First, is that I'm not sure you've really seen how God's forgiveness really works. If you did, you wouldn't be worried about whether or not He will forgive you. Jesus Christ lived a sinless life. This is why God's forgiveness will never fail you. Because God became a human being of flesh and blood and lived a perfect life, when He died, He was actually qualified to take your sins away. This is why John 1:29 refers to Jesus as the Lamb of God. He was the perfect sacrifice. Since He was a man, He could take your place, and since He was God, His death is eternally effective for everyone who believes into Him. This is the only requirement: that you believe Jesus Christ died for you. So 1 John 1:9 says that if you confess your sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive you. Why does it say that He is righteous to forgive you? Because He HAS to forgive you if you ask for forgiveness by confessing and claiming the blood He shed for you. If He did not forgive you that would be unrighteousness on His part because Jesus His son already payed the price. It's already been paid! Rejoice! Promising to God that you will stop doing something doesn't mean much to God. He will not forgive you because you promise to be a better person. There is nothing YOU could ever do to earn forgiveness. Rather, it is a gift because Jesus shed his blood for you.


    Your second problem is that you are still addicted to something. This is a result of our fallen nature. We all have addictions, to good things and bad things. Read John 4 and realize that you have a spiritual thirst that only Christ can fill. In John 4 the Samaritan woman was addicted to love. She had gone through 5 husbands and now the man she was with was not even her husband. She was addicted. Only Christ can satisfy your true inward need. When you get to a point where you learn to enjoy God as your top most enjoyment, He will be the only addiction you see need. You have to taste and see that The Lord is good (1 Peter 2:3). 
    God bless!
  • Composer

    @eshunt  wrote -  

    Romans 5:12
    When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam's sin brought death, . . . . 


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You continue to lie!


    Remember - The fact that from the onset Adam & Eve needed to partake of the Tree of Life to become Immortal, proves they were not the cause of death = mortality. They were Originally created ' mortal ' i.e. the biblical Story book god created them subject to mortality and death (wages / consequences of sin Rom. 5:12) even before they are said to have sinned.

    Your mentor & literal Saviour moi!


    @eshunt  wrote -  

    Romans 5:12
    . . . . so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You continue to lie using your self-contradicting preferred Story book! -


    Deut. 24:16 & Ezek. 18:20 refute YOU!


    Your mentor & literal Saviour moi!

  • Composer

    @Visionary - A Fully human being leaves NO room for a god!


    IF Story book jebus was a literal pre-existent god then it was NEVER a real human but a god dressed up to look like one!


    i.e. IF Story book jebus =  100% a man, then there is NO room for a god!

    100% human means EXACTLY that.

    Fully, totally completely 100% human, means just that.

    Nothing more, and nothing less!

    100% Pure Orange juice is nothing but pure Orange juice.

    The very definition of 100% fully human, excludes a god!

    If there were something, anything about this Story book jebus that was non-human, it would immediately disqualify it as being 100%  human!

    trinity remains in tatters!


  • Composer

    Keep chewing away Jake!


    ALL Supernatural god(s) are a figment of imagination by some stupid humans!


    Your mentor & literal Saviour moi!

  • touvant

    John 3:16-18. We too soon forget the 17-18. Romans 8:1, We have a REAL friend. Matthew 18:22, if we, o mortal humans must forgive so much, Has Christ not set the example to forgive when we ask?  Keep short accounts with God my friend.  He is faithful even when we are not.

  • Pollypinks@xanga

    Oh my poor soul here!  You are part of the human existence, and if you try to be perfect, all the time, you will wind up imploding.  Exploding from the inside out.  All you can do is take it one day at a time.  Get up, say your prayers, love your  neighbor as yourself, and do the best you can.  Your physical action of chewing isn't all that concerning as far as a moral trait, at least to me.  You may very well battle with this on and off for the rest of your life, and God is here for you, no matter what.  I would suggest you find a 12 step program, because there are people there who can give you moral support, and who understand what it's like to give up an addiction.  And if you can scrounge some money for a doctor, get some from your folks, or a good friend, see a doctor. He/she can prescribe medication that will ease the transition from addiction to non-addiction.  The success rate for cold turkey is around 66%.  God will help you with this blessing, were it to happen, and he will help you with your self esteem, should it not happen.  The bottom line:  It has nothing to do with God's acceptance of you, but it has to do with your health.  Don't kill your self mentally over it, but, give some thought to making a plan like I've discussed with you.  Even if all you can muster right now is smokeless tobacco.  It's still better.  God bless, and much love to you, and please, please, find some joy during this season.

  • crrf

    At the church I grew up in, the membership cards had a list of seven "rules" on the back. Along with profound statements like believing in Jesus Christ and remaining morally pure and attending church was "avoiding all tobacco products," for the purpose of maintaining a healthy body. Can you believe it? Someone thought it was important enough to put it as a requirement for church membership, and not just our church, but our understanding of GOD'S church. How dare they put that down in writing when scores and scores of obese members practically ate themselves to death with nothing more than admiration on how much one could tuck away at banquets and Sunday afternoon dinners? 

    I agree with Pollypinks, this is not a salvation thing, this is a health thing. Having lived with a nicotine-addicted spouse for 29 years (thank you Chantix Prescription for finally ending that) I understand the heartache of the love-hate relationship with the substance.

    (As far as the promise... How many uninformed 17 year olds made heartfelt promises to God to stop masterbating, not understanding the teenage condition?)Once you free the connection between the drug and God's love and acceptance, you may be surprised at how much freer you feel for quitting tobacco.
  • Visionary

    @Composer - Well hello there composer. I checked your site, you have no entries, so what exactly are you composing? 


    I don't usually interact with trolls, but ah, allow me to educate you. 
    I've read your comments here and I see now that your issue is a faulty understanding of the Bible. No wonder you have so many issues with God, after all you don't even know what you're talking about. 
    Firstly, your assumption about Genesis 3 is incorrect. Man was made just fine and was perfect at the time, although as Romans 8:20 says, man was still subject to vanity. This is why Eve took the bait, because she desired to make herself "like God". 
    Anyway, the tree of life wasn't merely a fruit you could eat to live forever, although it did contain that property as noted in Gen 3:22. It doesn't even make sense that that was its only purpose. No the Tree of Life contained the very life of God Himself. Not only was this life everlasting, but it contained the attributes and very nature of God Himself (2 Peter 1:3-4). Had man eaten of that tree He would have contained God Himself within Him as life. Then He would have fulfilled His purpose, which was to express and represent God, bearing the very image of God Himself (Gen 1:26-27). 
    Man fell there and didn't get to express God by becoming the same as God in life and in nature, but it doesn't matter now because Jesus came! He was the very embodiment of the divine Life (John 11:25) and came to give us that life (John 10:10). Now we can partake of that life and become the same as He is little by little (Romans 8:29, 2 Cor 3:18). 
    You probably didn't know that even though there's only one word for "life" in english, there are three in greek. "Bios"- refers to the physical biological life. "psuche"- Refers to the psychological life, the soul life. "Zoe"- refers to the uncreated, eternal life of God Himself. Zoe is the word for life in John 10:10---He came to give us God's life. We can do that because we humans are nothing more than vessels (Rom 9:23, Acts 9:15) made to contain whatever we take in. Now anyone who believes in Christ has God and His very divine life living in them (1 Cor 3:16, Rom 8:9-11)
    Anyway, let me not get carried away. The point is Death came in through Sin (Romans 5:12). The tree of life wasn't about living forever, it was about being filled with God. 
    Next:
    Your so called "refutations" using Deuteronomy and Ezekiel are nothing more than you twisting the scriptures to your own destruction (2 Pet 3:16) to fit your own preconceived view. 
    Deuteronomy 24:16: Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (NIV) 

    First, it says "put to death" This implies a judgement by other human beings. This means to be killed intentionally by others. That's not the same principle spoken of in Genesis 2 and 3.
     We die because sin lives in us as a principle and causes us to do bad things even if we don't want to. (Romans 7:7-24). Human beings are not sinners because they sin, as you think. Rather they sin because they are sinners. It is the law of sin and of death operating in every person (Romans 8:2). Because of this law, every single person who ever lived, with the exception of Jesus Christ, is guilty of sin (Romans 3:23). Eventually, and unfortunately, as our bodies have been corrupted, sin culminates in death.
    You quoted Deut 24:16 but seem to have ignored the last part which says each is to die for his own sin
    The same goes for Ezekiel 18:20:
    The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him. (NIV, italics mine).
    So the soul who sins? That's everyone. 
    Maybe if you took the time to really understand what the Bible says, it would change your mind, but at the very least, then you wouldn't be caught in situations like this where it's clear you don't know what you speak of. 
  • eshunt

    I looked into your dilemma some more Jake.

    First, congratulations on caring enough about holiness to consider that tobacco must go.


    Now, as for how to keep to your commitment, realize that what you allow to roll around inside your mind is the real problem. 


    Things that addicts do to be freed from their addictions are similar to what you may do:


    1) make a list of all the reasons that you want to be freed from chew. Maybe these items are helpful:
    I want to be healthy. I love healthy gums/teeth, and I don’t want them yellowed and injured. I don’t want to spend my money on tobacco. I can’t chew in some places like church (etc). I want to be able to go to a movie/mall/ballgame without thinking about tobacco. I don’t want it to continue to control me. Some people that I love and that I care about don’t like it, and they want me to quit. I want to set a good example for others. I only want God to control my life. I want to do only His will.
     
    2) Pick a quit date and have a support network. There may be quit telephone support in your state or city or university. Tell your friends, family, and co-workers about your quit date, and let them help if you fail and when you quit, if you chew again, quit again as soon as you come to your senses. What you think is a powerful force.... keep up thinking that you want God to control your will, not tobacco. Get rid of all tobacco everywhere on the days before your  quit date. 
     
    3) See your doctor and your dentist. Have them check your mouth and give you advice for quitting tobacco.
     
    4) Investigate using the patch or other aid. Use other things to put in your mouth: nuts, sunflower seeds, sugarless gum, carrot sticks, beef jerky, cinnamon sticks, sugarless hard candy, etc.
     
    5) Even before your quit date, change your habits. Deliberately choose not chew at times when you normally will.
     
    6) Keep active. Avoid alcohol and other mind altering substances before and during your quit date and until all compulsive thoughts to chew tobacco are gone.
     
    7) Be aware that your brain will fight against any suffering, supplying thoughts like that you should use tobacco to get through stress or a compulsive minute or two... these things won't last if you don't allow them. 
     
    8) If ever you feel an urge for tobacco, breathe deeply, relax, and remind yourself that you quit for benefits that will be lasting not to give in to a complusive thought that may crop up once in a while.
     
    9) Daily renew you commitment to living God's will and to being healthy. Thank God and your friends for helping you often.


    I hope these ideas and supports in your life help you Jake!


    ---


    "Once you free the connection between the drug and God's love and acceptance, you may be surprised at how much freer you feel for quitting tobacco." @crrf - excellent point!  
     

  • Visionary

    @Composer - Now, to take up your second comment, which you directed at me.


    All you did in this post was basically say that if *JESUS* (note the correct spelling), was 100% man, then He could not be man. You stated it over and over again but gave no reason. Why can't He? He's God after all? It seems your mind can't seem to comprehend this. Funny then how you indirectly called myself and most on this blog site stupid. 
    So why can't He be both? Give me a good reason, besides that you just can't fathom it. 
    Soooo 100% orange juice is still 100% orange juice at the end of the day. I agree with you. So what?
    1 + 1 = 2 right? So Divine + Human = Divine/Human doesn't it? 
    Let's take your example then shall we?
    Let's say I have 10 fl. oz. of 100% orange juice. Now I add 10 fl. oz. cranberry juice. What do I have now? I have 20 oz. of Orange/Cranberry Juice. 
    Is it not both? When I drink it I can taste both the orange and the cranberry---they're both there. 
    By your logic you're telling me I can't add the Cranberry juice. Why not? Or rather you're saying I would poor it in and the orange juice would swallow up the cranberry and it would just be orange....Or rather you're saying that it just LOOKS like orange juice but secretly its been cranberry juice all time...but that's not the case is it?
    Don't even try to tell me its half and half. Yes I'll admit half of the liquid is orange and the other half is cranberry, but remember, there's 20 fl. oz. in the cup now. That's 200%. It is composed STILL of 2 parts: 10 fl. oz of 100% orange and 10 fl. oz. of 100% cranberry juice. They are both still 100% of what they were which is why both can be tasted when you drink it. 
    The same went for Christ. When He spoke, it was absolutely a human being, yet He spoke the very word's of God Himself. He was both, and just like the juice, the two natures were so mingled that they couldn't be separated.  
    He wasn't just a man, He wasn't just God...He was a God-man---200%!
  • Composer

    @Visionary - Well hello there composer. I checked your site, you have no entries, so what exactly are you composing? 


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You continue to lie!


    I am a Registered Australian Composer & my Copyrite Registration Number = A.P.R.A. 165421875


    I don't know what ' site ' you claimed to have checked about me but like your research in to biblical matters your efforts are pathetic at best!


    You: I don't usually interact with trolls,


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: ME: "troll", fabulous adj. 1 incredible. 2 colloq. marvellous. 3 legendary. . . . . (Pocket Oxford Dictionary/POD)
    ME: incredible adj. 2 colloq. amazing, extremely good. . . . . (Pocket Oxford Dictionary/POD)

    As opposed to all proven Trolls like you -

    "Troll", which is a five-letter word defined as referring to people (like you) who are asked questions by ' fabulous, incredible, amazing, marvellous, legendary and extremely good trolls like me ' that failed religions like yours e.g. trinitarianism, Mormon, Muslim, J.w's, etc. etc. cannot legitimately answer.

    What so called xtianity teaches is easily proven absurd, illegitimate and unsustainable and plain WRONG! even in its fundamentals according to the very Story book bible benchmark appealed to for some credibility, fails there also.

    Better luck next time!

    You: but ah, allow me to educate you.


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You continue to lie!


    So far I have proved you are a liar and your so called research in error however in my benevolence as a 50 year successful Cult buster I extend you every opportunity to attempt to rectify your current fraudulent, dishonest, deceptive & Story book reject position!



    You: I've read your comments here and I see now that your issue is a faulty understanding of the Bible. No wonder you have so many issues with God, after all you don't even know what you're talking about. 


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You continue to lie!


    ALL supernatural god(s) are the 100% fabrication by some humans and the total legitimate evidence to substantiate them remains a constant zero!


    Your personal emotional appeals and your Cults propaganda is NO evidence whatsoever!



    You: Firstly, your assumption about Genesis 3 is incorrect. Man was made just fine and was perfect at the time,


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You continue to lie!


    Nowhere does it state that man was made perfect!


    At best it states ' very good ' (Gen. 1:31) e.g. ASV, KJV Story books


    You: although as Romans 8:20 says, man was still subject to vanity. This is why Eve took the bait, because she desired to make herself "like God".


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You continue to lie!


    Story book Eve was NEVER commanded by Story book god ' not to partake of the tree forbidden ONLY to Story book Adam!


    You are clueless and a dimwit!


    You: Anyway, the tree of life wasn't merely a fruit you could eat to live forever, although it did contain that property as noted in Gen 3:22.


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: What else do you think it was and any evidence you can muster attached?


    You: It doesn't even make sense that that was its only purpose.


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: The fact they were dependent on it from Day 1 and were later denied access to it to stop them from living forever/immortality is what I am concerned with. Your drivel about speculative ' other attributes ' is drivel as your point is already lost!


    You: No the Tree of Life contained the very life of God Himself. Not only was this life everlasting, but it contained the attributes and very nature of God Himself (2 Peter 1:3-4). Had man eaten of that tree He would have contained God Himself within Him as life. Then He would have fulfilled His purpose, which was to express and represent God, bearing the very image of God Himself (Gen 1:26-27). 
    Man fell there and didn't get to express God by becoming the same as God in life and in nature, but it doesn't matter now because Jesus came!


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You continue to lie!


    ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS


    No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.


    Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge.


    Courts of law do not generally allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. Hearsay does not provide good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it.


    http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm


    &


    In the final analysis there is no evidence that the biblical character called "Jesus Christ" ever existed. As Nicholas Carter concludes in The Christ Myth: "No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, indeed no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity." (Source: http://www.truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm)



    Next:
    Your so called "refutations" using Deuteronomy and Ezekiel are nothing more than you twisting the scriptures to your own destruction (2 Pet 3:16) to fit your own preconceived view. 
    Deuteronomy 24:16: Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (NIV) 

    First, it says "put to death" This implies a judgement by other human beings. This means to be killed intentionally by others. That's not the same principle spoken of in Genesis 2 and 3.
     We die because sin lives in us as a principle and causes us to do bad things even if we don't want to. (Romans 7:7-24). Human beings are not sinners because they sin, as you think. Rather they sin because they are sinners. It is the law of sin and of death operating in every person (Romans 8:2). Because of this law, every single person who ever lived, with the exception of Jesus Christ, is guilty of sin (Romans 3:23). Eventually, and unfortunately, as our bodies have been corrupted, sin culminates in death.
    You quoted Deut 24:16 but seem to have ignored the last part which says each is to die for his own sin
    The same goes for Ezekiel 18:20:


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You continue to lie!


    The very fact you now concede & are forced to admit that ' each is to die for his own sin ' belies the Story book claim -  . . . . that Christ died  for   our   sins . . . . (1 Cor. 15:3) ASV Story book


    In other words you duped & brainless TROLL, NO ONE in Story book land can die for the sins of another as each must die for their OWN sins! (Apparently? and the alleged ' substitionary/atoning role of Story book jebus is another so called xtian lie!, LOL!


    You: Maybe if you took the time to really understand what the Bible says, it would change your mind, but at the very least, then you wouldn't be caught in situations like this where it's clear you don't know what you speak of. 


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: My Truths & Facts refute you every time!


    Much much much much better luck should you wish to try your luck against me again!


    Meanwhile like ALL so called and self-acclaimed xtians, you remain liars, frauds, deceivers and overall Story book jebus' rejects whilst I remain 100% vindicated!


    YOU, your Cult, its imagined jebus, holy-spirit & their god & Story book remain as always 100% impotent against moi!


    Your mentor & literal Saviour moi!

  • Composer

    @Visionary - Your attempt at an analogy fails you also!


    Percentages are NOT based upon 200 but upon 100.


    http://www.mathsisfun.com/percentage.html


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: You are obviously a dimwit at basic math and preaching your Cults failed ideology regardless!


    Your mentor & literal Saviour, moi!


    Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster!

  • crrf

    @eshunt - 

    Excellent strategies, especially the insight that the brain will try every trick it can to avoid suffering.I can mostly speak only from my spouse's experience, though I learned more than ever would have short of going through it myself. The addict will quit for himself, when his pain is enough, not for other people. Their pain only makes him feel more and more guilty. But guilt is a horrible motivator, since it, by itself, is a source of pain, which the brain wants  relief from.My spouse was able to quit, with the help of Chantix,  when the periodontist told him they couldn't keep ahead of what the tobacco was doing to his teeth and he was looking at losing them. 
  • eshunt

    "The addict will quit for himself, when his pain is enough, not for other people. Their pain only makes him feel more and more guilty. But guilt is a horrible motivator, since it, by itself, is a source of pain, which the brain wants  relief from." @crrf - That makes perfect sense. Thanks. I hope it helps you Jake.

    So, as I understand it, if something hurts me physically then I will quit quick. If something hurts me spiritually, it may take a long time for me to quit and I probably won't quit until it finally shows up physically (like in disease).

    So, I'll add one more step then. Read about physical damage that accompanies chewing tobacco.
     

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