Tuesday, 02 October 2012
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Dying to Myself: What Does it Mean?
The theme “the death to self” seems to come up in just about every religious tradition; it is called conversion, which implies a turning away towards something else. To change course, pursue values that are in accord with a life that lived that seeks God, or a spiritual path, for not all religions are theistic. Buddhism and Jainism come to mind. Though I think the term “atheistic” might be a little too strong to describe them in justice. This turning away not only describes a change of life and outer orientation but hopefully points to a new relationship with the self. For instance, to "treat others as you want to be treated" is more than a pious statement, for to accomplish this precept, a certain level of self knowledge in knowing what one wants has to be present. It goes way beyond just being nice to others, not causing waves or embarrassing anyone. In fact, this precept could lead to treating someone harshly, or it could seem that way to the one receiving. I suppose the words "tough love" could cover that. For instance, I now being normal (more or less, depends on who you talk to), could after a bit of contemplation come to the conclusion that in certain circumstance, for instances if I were to become psychotic, I would want to be taken somewhere for help. Though if this should actually happen, I would not think it good at all, not being in touch with reality. So the golden rule could call some to do some very painful things to someone that I love. And by doing so living out the golden rule; so, no, it is not about just being nice.
Also the injunction “to love your neighbor as yourself” could also lead to some pretty interesting challenges for anyone who actually takes this seriously. Is it possible to actually love another, if in fact only self contempt is present for oneself? Perhaps, yes it is possible, but due to the fact that we tend to project outward what is unconscious, this could make relationships problematic and in fact many and perhaps most relationships are indeed very difficult. In the end, when things get rough, we treat others the way we treat ourselves. Perhaps when Jesus is talking about this “death to self” it is intimately aligned with love of self.
Death to what exactly -- what needs to die? Perhaps it is good to look at what is the greatest obstacle people face in trying to live out their ideals; no matter what their faith is. Is it despair? Why is this strong temptation problematic to so many? I am here of course speaking only of myself and my own struggles, I cannot presume to understand how others process their experiences, not only with life but their inner relationship with self. However being human, more or less, I share communality with others, so perhaps what I deal with; others do also; though of course not all. I have met people who seem free of this inner tango that I go through, but I have also met many who are right there on the dance floor with me. Being neurotic allows one to have many like minded friends.
The inner voices (that’s what I call them) can become very strong and strident, compulsive and irrational; tending to surface when I am at a very low energy level and feeling weakest. They can be useful if listened too, observed but not believed. This can be very difficult, but once it is understood that thoughts are not ‘me’. But tapes, or if you want to use a Jungian term, complexes, that sort of have a life of their own. Stuck in an endless cycle of self inflicted suffering and recrimination. Voices from the past made ones own. Perhaps a death to self, would point to the necessity of in some sense befriending these ‘inferior and immature personalities’ that live within. At least they live in me, a whole village it seems at times; a mob demanding my attention, not all of them looking out for my good.
Fantasies can be addictive, even the painful ones. So to break free, to observe, listen, and yes to even have love and compassion for them, is at least for me the only way to unravel them. It is a paradox, listening quiets them, puts them to rest, though of course not totally, for it is a life long process this relationship with the village within. It can at times be difficult to step back and simply observe, yet that is what is needed. These inner voices once known are no longer projected outward towards others, so relationships can become easier. Since again, we treat others the way we treat ourselves when things get rough. “Love of self” can be difficult, but a necessity, for only then can love of neighbor be truly accomplished.
It is easier of course to not deal with these inner complexes, but the fruit of this kind of life is not very tasty and for many is a downward spiral. To cling to this ‘life’ is in reality a prison refusing to open up to loves invitation of a loving relationship with self, others and of course God. Sometimes it takes the courage to simply ask for help and then with support to allow this ‘death to self’ to take place. Perhaps shedding would be a good term, to out grow a life that is too small for the developing soul to live in.
What does it mean to die to oneself? In what ways have you died to yourself? In what ways do you still cling on to this life?
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Very good blog on this concept. I think many people don't understand what it means unless it's explained in depth. God bless~
To die in oneself? Don't we battle with this our entire physical lives? I know I do. I am keenly aware of my faults, and the trouble I have distancing myself from them. How easy it is on occasion to simply say something rude to my husband. Before coming "alive" in Christ, that would not have been an issue. And I'm so critical of others, and I hate that aspect of my intellect. That's what I love about my church family. We understand it's a constant work in progress. You mentioned if you were to become psychotic. Well, I am. Bipolar, with auditory hallucinations and some psychosis involved. Now don't freak out, but people like me live in constant fear of sharing that with others. I've never harmed another soul, nor do I have any violent ideations, rather, just intense mental illness that is kept under control by by 13 meds a day. I dare any one to take what I take and try to function, yet, that's exactly what I am able to do, I cling to this life voraciously because my husband and grown children, and grandchildren still need me, and I'm not going to fail them. They trust me as an integral part of their unit, and I am so grateful for that. And I do pick on other faiths, and I hate that as well. But I've accepted my daughter's buddhism, because it's made her the kind and wonderful person she is today, with all my mental illnesses passed on to her, which should have skipped a generation. I think God understands her, her mental processes, her need for this road she's chosen, and I've never felt anything but peace when I've prayed for her and her salvation. Quirky? Of course. Delusional? Not for a minute. I don't think we can begin to read God's mind and claim to tell others who's in and who's out. It's just not our call.
Dying to ones self is dying to your sinful nature. When I repented of all my sins impurity, sexual immorality, debauchary, lying, etc. I died to my old self and at the point of baptism was your burial and lifted out was your resurrection. Romans 6:1-14. So when you die to yourself you become new, and you become God's people at the point of baptism. He became the Lord of your life because you call on his name at the point of baptism. You're no longer of the world. :) And dying to yourself is an everyday decision. You make a decision to deny yourself the sin and not go back to your old self.
@Pollypinks@xanga - I have a few friends in the church who have the same illness. I think that's awesome you have great support, becaue that's important. And you're right no one can judge if we are in or out. However John 12:48 the word of God will judge us. It's final, and our only hope for salvation. I know it's tough when you have family that doesn't believe, but maybe ecourage your daugther to study out the bible. Wisdom from the bible far outweighs all other. Proverbs and Ecclsiastes has awesme wisdom and the words and parables of Jesus. :) I don't know where you're from but the church I attend does one on one bible studies answering all questions, and we are all almost all over the world.. If you're interested in checking it out and having you or your daughter study out the bible in detail..let me know.
Thanks for your positive post. I always know I have friends out there in Christian territory. But if we go about picking apart scripture, then we cannot ignore key texts that pastors purposely leave out and don't teach us about. Luke 3:6 All mankind will see God's salvation. Matthew 18:13 Your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost. Mark 11:17 My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations. Johyn 12:32 When I am lifted up, I will draw all men to myself. There are a plethora of these scriptures that clearly tell us it's not all going to happen in this world. A perfect, omnipotent, loving God, would not create 3/4 of his children to burn in hell. His perfection would not allow it. But we never hear these things in study groups, now do we? The fundamentalist bent takes over, and we want to make people say the magic words to us, so that we can be satisfied ourselves that they are saved, when if fact, it's none of our business. I got so tired of people asking me if I was saved that I finally started answering, "God knows." Lastly, only one of many, Romans 8:38-39 I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither, the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything in all of creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I know I've spoken too long, but as far as checking out your Bible studies, it sounds rather fundamental, and I did that for 8 years, before being asked to leave because I belonged to the wrong political party. They talked about many things, but managed to control the class so as to keep it within the realm of their evangelical taste, leaving little room for questioning and doubt. And I just can't live like that. And no, I'm not upset with my children for their choices. There are close to 60 unitarian verses in the Bible being neglected, and once I found those, I knew God really was perfect. You can't be perfect and produce hate. Or look to convert others to Christianity while carrying signs in the street. Or carrying signs at clinics. It's hardly what I'd call missionary work.
@aanjelaa@xanga - Thank you, It is a life long process to grow in understanding of God's love and what we are called to.
peace
mark
@Pollypinks@xanga - I am always overwhelmed by your childlike transparency and the depth of your faith and love of God as well as others. Your daughter is doing well, Buddhism understands how the mind works and I believe that it will have an impact on Christianity, not in doctrines but in how we deal with our minds. We are called to put on the mind of Christ Jesus.
Peace friend
Mark
@DesireeTheDisciple@xanga - Amen sister in Christ, amen.
Peace
Mark
Gotta just love you Mark. Your patience with me is overwhelming, and your Christlike love of human kind shows through in all your posts. You really should be a pastor, if you aren't already one.
@Pollypinks@xanga - LOL Love is always good my friend.
Peace
mark
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