Monday, 03 September 2012
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Persecution and the Christian Sojourn
By The Closet Calvinist
I read this today, and it made me think, so I thought I would share it with you, hopefully it will make you think a bit too.
The Great King, Artaxerxes, writes the following to the governors of the hundred twenty-seven provinces from India to Ethiopia and to the officials under them.
Having become ruler of many nations and master of the whole world (not elated with presumption of authority but always acting reasonably and with kindness), I have determined to settle the lives of my subjects of lasting tranquility and, in order to make my kingdom peaceable and open to travel throughout all its extent, to restore the peace desired by all people.
When I asked my counselors how this might be accomplished, Haman–who excels among us in sound judgment, and is distinguished for his unchanging goodwill and steadfast fidelity, and has attained the second place in the kingdom–pointed out to us that among all the nations in the world there is scattered a certain hostile people, who have laws contrary to those of every nation and continually disregard the ordinances of kings, so that the unifying of the kingdom that we honorably intend cannot be brought about.
We understand that this people, and it alone, stands constantly in opposition to every nation, perversely following a strange manner of life and laws, and is ill-disposed to our government, doing all the harm they can so that our kingdom may not attain stability.
Therefore we have decreed that those indicated to you in the letters written by Haman, who is in charge of affairs and is our second father, shall all–wives and children included–be utterly destroyed by the swords of their enemies, without pity or restraint, on the fourteenth day of the twelfth month, Adar, of this present year, so that those who have long been hostile and remain so may in a single day go down in violence to Hades, and leave our government completely secure and untroubled hereafter.
(This is from the apocryphal additions to Esther, it is not Scripture.)
King Artaxerxes was convinced by the evil Haman that the Jews, due to their keeping of their own laws, rather than obedience to some of the king’s, in particular obeisance to Haman, were harmful to society and to the peace and stability of the kingdom. Because of this, it seemed best to kill every last one of them.
We aren’t diasporic Jews, but in a sense we too are aliens in a world that is not our own. Will the societies we live in turn on us like King Artaxerxes did? My mind wanders to the holocaust of World War 2 and to Christians currently living in heavy persecution in Muslim countries.
We live in a culture that is increasingly hostile to Christians, not because of Christ, in what they say, but because of our biblical views and what that says about the way people live. We know, of course, that this hostility toward Christian values is really hatred toward God, but many seem to think that we are the trouble makers in society. (John 15, Romans 1) We “hate the gays” as some clearly unbiased journalist has recently said. As society continues to seek further perversions, as it is wont to do, we will likely be seen as all the more divisive and against the common peace.
We know, in the book of Esther, that God worked through Esther and Mordecai to save the Jewish people, who Satan saw fit to destroy to kill off God’s chosen people, and more importantly to prevent the birth of the Christ. Will God deliver us should it come to this? Or, will this perhaps be part of the great tribulation that the Left Behind* series has engrained into my mind?
Of course, as usual, I have more questions than answers here, but, I think it is something worth thinking about.
*Regarding “Left Behind,” I’m not a dispensationalist, or a rapturist, though, I am well aware that my reading of Revelation and the other Apocolyptic writings in the Bible are likely negatively influenced by being taught those things early on.
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Having been raised Catholic and then as a young adult converting to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called Mormons), it has been very sad to me through the years to have occasionally been treated with persecution, disdain, and outright hatred by the very people in other churches who profess to be following Jesus Christ. Whether you believe me to be a Christian or not, to treat me with disrespect and unkindness would never make me want to listen to what you have to say. Nonetheless, my faith is in Jesus Christ of the New Testament, who lived, died, and lives again. He suffered in the garden and died on the cross and rose again for me and everyone else. He is my Savior, my Consolation, and my Peace.
@lomal@xanga - You are referring to Jesus the Jewish Zombie? Does any one still believe in this nonsense? There is a sucker born every minute and Jesus is no more the messiah than the recently deceased reverend Sun Moon. Having thousands of followers does not prove efficacy - it only proves that there are people in the world who are willing to believe ANYTHING!
Hah! Interesting response! Someone has sure turned your key. Since you have been very concise in your disbelief, let me be just as concise in my belief. I believe in Jesus not because of how many others believe or even because the Bible talks about him. Being a skeptic myself, I believe because He has proved to me that He exists and that He is who He says He is. It is no longer a conviction, but an absolute knowledge. I have a daily communication with Him and have found His teachings to be scientifically verifiable, based on cause and effect. You are looking only at the surface and will never prove or disprove anything in that way. May that God who is the father of your spirit and mine one day give you a reason to seek for His eternal truth, for if you seek for it you will find it.
Give me a break. Especially in the United States, Christians get special/preferential treatment. Atheists are barred from holding public office in seven states. An atheist girl was kicked off of her high school basketball team for refusing to recite the Lord's Prayer after a basketball game. A couple was evicted from their home after their landlord found out they were atheist. I have been denied jobs based on me being an atheist.
Don't go crying persecution when you're a privileged majority in the country you reside in. If you lived elsewhere in the world, maybe your case would hold water, but not in the US.
And while we're on topic, when it comes to model Christians, according to my understanding of the Bible, Westboro is the prime example of a model Christian. There is so much Biblical support for the venom they spew it's not even funny. While I'm completely disgusted by them and the hate they spew forth, I respect them for sticking true to what the Bible really says, even in the face of backlash. They make a great case against religion and for the criminalization of religious practice.
I will have to agree with the atheist above in that mainline Christians should have no fear of persecution within the United States. In the story above the Jewish nation had been conquered by another nation. However, they acted as though they had not been conquered. In those times, a culture conquered was required to assimilate to the culture of the conqueror. This could be likened to the Christian European conquest of the world centuries past. The Mayan civilization was for example forced to turn from their demonic culture or die. This in fact is the nature of war itself. One side finds its culture to be superior and determines to wipe out the inferior.
What pervades in abundance within the boarders of every country is a culture war. In most cases the pervading culture rules and laws made define that culture and marginalize the minority culture. Religion is a cultural aspect. Xerxes stood on an extreme end of what happens naturally in every culture and era of human existence. Christians hold an interesting place in world culture today. Christianity has a seat of power greater than all other religions with Islam close at its heels. Christians have had their time of rape and pillage. They have had their time of conquering and ruling the world sphere. They have had their time of peace and increase. They have had their time of wisdom.
Maybe they can break the morbid cycle of world culture war and realize that is what Christianity is about to begin with. Christ came to break the bonds of unforgiving oppressive culture. He came to show their is no gain in forced compliance. He fostered a culture of service to others. He said to go the extra mile. Jesus came to reform the Jewish culture and by doing so, change the world. He did not come to change outside cultures, so why do Christians try to?We live in a traditionally Christian culture with an 80% Christian population, where politicians can and do profess their Christianity on stage in front of the hundreds of millions of American Christians that cheer them on and almost exclusively vote for them. There are a handful of non-believing politicians scattered across America.
There are Christian billboards left and right. Whenever there is an atheist billboard, bomb threats are called in.
You don't face any persecution at all. The ignorance of privileged groups pretending they face persecution, when they merely don't get special treatment, is just astounding.
We Christians, if we live as we aught to, will bug worldly people. It seems as obvious as the sun coming up every morning that eventually we will go thru a persecution in the US.
The rapture people seem to be trying to avoid this persecution -- like they are saying, "no pain, no pain!" Well, I don't like pain either, but I say 'your will, not mine' instead.
Let's make the most of our future suffering.
@monobeam@xanga - I believe in the Rapture. That doesn't mean I think it will happen before we are persecuted. God's times are not my times, and no one knows when it will take place. It's about what I believe Scripture says, not about avoiding persecution on earth.
@secretbeerreporter@xanga - I would argue the American Constitution and the Law gives a lot of rights for Westboro Church to do what they do as well. Are they flawed?
I don't see how Westboro Church follows the Bible, except maybe if you had a very poor understanding of Scripture. I'm not sure if it's my interpretation or your interpretation that is flawed.
(The Westboro Church is the most visible example of the apostate (false), visible church I can think of. Totally distorting the message of love Christ brings to all who truly know Him, they turn many from the message and doom them.)
Excellent post. And the lesson of Esther assuredly applies to the present day. God's true people are and always will be in the minority on the earth until, that is, they are snatched off before the full impact of God's judgements are poured out from heaven. They are sprinkled among every denomination. Some will be found worthy to be snatched away before the real trouble starts. Others left behind from the first wave of the saints will come to their senses concerning their eternal destiny and face up to horrendous martyrdom rather than deny Christ, thus entering heaven barely. THEN the proverbial HOLY SHIT will hit the fan!
No matter how the times unfold, we can trust that God is sovereign over all persecution, and He will deliver all His people safely to our eternal home. In the meantime, as Christians who live in a fallen world, we should be expecting persecution, and we should be praying for the Holy Spirit to empower us so we might respond to persecution the way the early Church did:
Acts 5:23 When they were released, they went to their friends and reported what the chief priests and the elders had said to them. 24 And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, “Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them, 25 who through the mouth of our father David, your servant, said by the Holy Spirit,
“‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
and the peoples plot in vain?
26 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed’—
27 for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place. 29 And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness, 30 while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” 31 And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.
Acts 5:41 Then they left the presence of the council, REJOICING that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name. 42 And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.
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John 16:33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you WILL have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.
I don't hate god. I don't believe in him. This is as patently ridiculous as me accusing you of hating leprechauns if you don't believe in them.
Also, I don't have to "hate God" to hate what the people who profess to act in his name are doing. Trying to ban a Muslim rec center half a mile from the Twin Towers site, working hard to deny equal rights to gay citizens, setting a culture where it's nearly impossible to be elected unless you're more "Christian" than the other guy... yeah, I hate all of that. None of that has to do with my atheism, however.
You are not a persecuted minority in the USA. The Sikhs that were gunned down in Wisconsin are a persecuted minority. The gays and lesbians kicked out of their homes by ignorant, bigoted parents are a persecuted minority. The atheists ostracized by their communities for simply not being Christian are a persecuted minority. The Muslims incarcerated without evidence or access to a lawyer are a persecuted minority. The Christians who make up over 90% of our elected officials at a national level ARE NOT a persecuted minority. In fact, what with all the legislature pushing a "Christian" agenda, I'd say you may just be the persecuting majority.
I take the meaning of that passage to be all about sin. This is what the underlying moral is of most of the old testament; stamp out sin ruthlessly where ever and whom ever you find it.
This is sage advice for small tribes, however as societies came together and became nations, it became impractical advice in that it caused the very thing it strove to avoid. Everything then becomes a holy war.
The fact that people are reading this stuff and trying to derive some modern day meaning out of it alarms me. My time is better spent thinking critically and finding appropriate actions, rather than trying to conform to very old standards of morality.
@When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga - Christians don't make bomb threats toward atheists. That kind of bigoted lie has to be put to rest immediately.
In fact, the last religion-motivated murder was an atheist who shot a Christian because the shooter didn't like the Christian's politics.
That shooting happened recently. The reason you never heard of it is because you live in a bubble that is only populated with like minded atheists.
Therefore your intense, irrational atheist bias is never questioned and only gets reinforced.
@GodlessLiberal@xanga - Since is was people professing Islam as the motivation for the 911 attack, it makes perfect sense for Americans to demand that Muslims built their Jihad victory monument someplace else.
And since it is obvious that gay rights is frontal, barbaric assault on all human rights in general and Christianity in particular, it makes sense for Christians to take lawful steps to protect their culture, the greatest culture in human history.
For you to characterize Christian and American political activism as hateful shows a bias that is so intense that it could be characterized as hatred itself.
@brown_buffalo@xanga - America, the greatest nation in human history has a legal system that was originally based on the Ten Commandments and Judeo-Christian moral ethics.
The existence of the United States is clear proof that what you said in your comment does not conform to reality.
@secretbeerreporter@xanga - I thought the Westboro Baptists were actually atheists posers.
it goes both ways.......
@Pickwick12@xanga - @monobeam@xanga - I agree that the rapture idea does lead to, and likely in many cases comes from, fear of tribulation and persecution. Though, I'm more opposed to the dispensationalism that it comes from.
Amy, I am curious, what leads to you to believe in a rapture? And, are you a dispensationalist?
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