Wednesday, 25 July 2012

  • When to Disobey Proverbs

    By T.G. Blankenship at The Gethsemane Blog
    The book of Proverbs is full of wise sayings that help us to live well each day. We often look at the proverbs as a bunch of rules or sayings to obey but this isn't a sufficient perspective if we want to react to the proverbs properly.
     
    Some of these sayings simply exist to tell us the truths about our world. Sometimes this means explaining the goodness in life and sometimes the bad. For instance, Proverb 20:6 states, "Many a man proclaims his own steadfast love, but a faithful man who can find?" This is a truth about how the state of our world but it doesn't mean this is the way the world ought to be. Faithfulness can be hard to find and people will often proclaim they have a faithfulness but we all fall short in the pursuit of being faithful to others. Does this mean we should give up on the pursuit? No. It just means that the world is full of people who miss the mark and people who lie. 
     
    On the other hand, there are proverbs which exist simply to explain how things ought to be! Proverb 20:28 states, "Steadfast love and faithfulness preserve the king, and by steadfast love his throne is upheld." We don't see this always happening. We don't always see this is true, but it ought to be true. In a perfect world this would be the way of things and thus we ought to live in such a way. 
     
    A lot of these types of proverbs have an inferred lesson within them. When we read Proverb 20:4, "The sluggard does not plow in the autumn; he will seek at harvest and have nothing", we can take away the wisdom that we should not be sluggards but rather but people who work hard in being prepared for the future. 
     
    So we see that most proverbs really do give advice on how to live in this world even if it's not stated outright. The advice isn't always straight forward. Certain proverbs imply that you simply have to make a choice at times and live with the results. Take a look at Proverb 20:2 which states, "The terror of a king is like the growling of a lion; whoever provokes him to anger forfeits his life." 
     
    The main points of this proverb are that people of power (kings or authorities) hold great power and with that power can come great terror. The second point is that when a person comes against that power they may suffer and even die. What this proverb doesn't say is to abstain from provoking a king/authority. That's not the wisdom being shared even though some may think that. After all, sometimes those in power must be provoked, even if it results in death.
     
    The truth of this particular proverb is seen in the life of Christ. The way in which he lived and the proclamations that he made were provoking to those in power at the time. When he called himself Lord and Son of God or spoke of his kingdom he was presenting opposition to the kingdom, lordship, and divinity of Caesar. In the United States we might say he was campaigning against the current President, setting up a new nation. Christ died for many reasons and one of those reasons is that he upset the authorities and they put him to death in their terror. Throughout history we've seen people provoke authorities for good reason and been killed as a result. Their death did not mean they were unwise but rather that they were wise and brave.
     
    When we read the proverbs in scripture let us ask ourselves what the real message of the saying is meant to be. Let us ask the Spirit of God to teach us so that we may react as appropriately as possible. May these wise sayings help to form our worldview so that we have a realistic view of the world we live in and the wisdom to walk through it as Christ demands.

Comments (12)

  • dustysojourner@xanga

    I'd be interested in seeing how/why you said "After all, sometimes those in power must be provoked, even if it results in death."


    Proverbs is a wonderful book of wisdom.  And wisdom is, like you said, not a set of rules- that is law.  It takes knowledge and discernment to grow in wisdom, ultimately by the Spirit.  
    My wife and I typically read Proverbs several times a year.  I would like to go through it every month, but we have yet to be able to do that.  Each time we've read it, we have learned a great deal and grown together a lot.  
  • nowayout001@xanga

    @dustysojourner@xanga - Yes, the Proverbs do not list out a set of laws to be obeyed but it is wisdom derived from observation and Spirit-filled interpretation. Then, it cannot be disobeyed, one either act in wisdom or not.

  • nowayout001@xanga

    "May these wise sayings help to form our worldview so that we have a realistic view of the world we live in and the wisdom to walk through it as Christ demands."


    AGREE!

  • xXrEMmUsXx@xanga

    @dustysojourner@xanga - I'd be interested in seeing how/why you said
    "After all, sometimes those in power must be provoked, even if it
    results in death."

    Becausemany of our forefathers of faith provoked power in order to bring change, and they lost their lives for the cause.

  • xXrEMmUsXx@xanga

    I like this post. Interesting. I hear scriptures quoted as law all the time and it makes me drop my head and sigh.

  • dustysojourner@xanga

    @xXrEMmUsXx@xanga - could you provide an example from scriptures of anyone provoking our ruling authorities?  Thanks.

  • xXrEMmUsXx@xanga

    @dustysojourner@xanga - Isn't Jesus Christ enough? Jesus challenged/provoked authority when he healed on the sabbath.
    There are times of challenging authority that are necessary. I'm not
    talking about rebellion.

    is it the word provoking that is bothering you?

  • dustysojourner@xanga

    @xXrEMmUsXx@xanga - I am just curious as to how you (and the OP) are using the term.  It appeared to me that he was speaking about provoking ruling authorities- the word "provoke" means to do something specifically to rile them.  

    Yes, I do think the word "provoke" seems wrong to me.  
    Personally, I don't think that it is ok to provoke ruling authorities, that implies doing something specifically to anger them.  Even the Paul, when he found out that he was talking to the high-priest, repented and apologized because he said he didn't know who the man was.  

    It is our joy to always submit to God's authority, and if that means that other authorities become angry at us, then it is our joy to suffer for our submission to God's authority, but if we suffer because we provoked our rulers to wrath, then doesn't the scripture teach us that we are punished rightly?  
    Just my thoughts.
    Ecc. 8:2, Rom 13:1, 1st Peter 2:13 are among some passages as to why I don't think provoking rulers is good. 

  • xXrEMmUsXx@xanga

    @dustysojourner@xanga - This thought came to mind - what does it take to be killed for the truth you know? What does it take to become a martyr? I think that might take some provoking by simply speaking an acting in truth.

    Truth is powerful and if someone in authority asks you to act in anything but truth, you are going to provoke them by being firm in what you believe. That does not mean you go about making trouble. That is not what the writer is saying.

    Christ was the TRUTH, the WORD. His truth angered many, it provoked many, so much so to bring Him to death because He was 'FALSE and a liar in their eyes'. His truth did not fall in line with their law.

    Whether it be your church, your government... a man with a gun who clearly has more power in the moment, you have to stand on truth. I think of all the martyrs that brought our faith this far, obviously they provoked someone to murder them???

    I am currently experiencing some persecution in my church community for standing up for what is right, I think I am stepping on some toes though I'm not purposefully disrespecting or sewing discord, it is hard for people to accept truth when they have believed a lie.

  • xXrEMmUsXx@xanga

    @xXrEMmUsXx@xanga - Please do not think that this means I am saying to disobey authority. I do not believe in rebellion nor act in it. Christ is my ultimate authority and I stand up for truth, even if it gets me killed one day.

  • dustysojourner@xanga

    @xXrEMmUsXx@xanga - I agree that the Truth does provoke people to anger; and that is an important distinction to make, however, because in that case, it is not us that is provoking anyone, it is the Truth. 

    Jesus taught it this way: "don't be surprised if they hate you because they hated me first".  It is Jesus that they hate in Christians. 

    I've just noticed there are some tendencies to "provoke" just for the sake of "provoking", and that comes from us, which I think is bad.

    But I "know" this OP (not personally, of course, but he's been around Xanga for a while), and I know that is not what he meant.  So that's why I was hoping he'd explain it further to me.  Even though I don't always agree with him, I respect him. 

  • xXrEMmUsXx@xanga

    @dustysojourner@xanga - Hopefully he will give some feedback as well =] that was just my take on it.

    I understand that it is truth within us that provokes the lie with in others to anger. No doubt, but still the same, something is provoked. In as much, I am provoked to anger by lies. Being angry is not the sin, what you do with that anger is... it generally met with love and compassion when I realize that its not the 'person' that has provoked, but the lie. However, its difficult for people to separate the two and often the person carrying the truth has to suffer for it.

    If I were never persecuted, I would wonder if I ever met the truth at all.

    Provoke is a strong word, but I really understood why he used it.

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