Saturday, 21 July 2012

  • A Letter to Depressed or Suicidal Friends

    By T.G. Blankenship at The Gethsemane Blog

    I've felt the stings of heartbreak, depression, and even suicidal tendencies in the past. I wanted to take a moment to share a few small truths I've learned since those times.


    Even in a suicidal state, though it seem truer than the blue tint of the sky, none of us want death. We merely want release and freedom from the pain we've experience and the depressing that we've created a cycle of. Too often the way out of those things is clouded and, as a result, horrifying. Suicide definitely is the easier answer to that horror but it's not satisfying for us or anyone connected to us. Removing life is not a release we experience for once we're gone, we're gone. We don't feel that release, there is no ecstasy or joy that follows such action. It can only worsen things for others and remove us completely from the opportunity for joy and all the wonderful things we desire (like the freedom from present pain and the release of depressing behavior). So hold on.

    Only love, wise counsel, and the courage to act upon the wisdom and love we've received will allow us to experience the release, freedom, and joy we truly and deeply desire. If we have been depressing (because like it or not, it's a pattern of behavior we choose as a reaction to our pain) let's make the choice to walk out of pain, even if it's difficult and takes time.* It's not always our fault we hurt but if we let that hurt reign over us then we've allowed it to be our god and to control our life. However, we're not cursed to suffer forever. We have the ability to cry out and reach out to God and to others (friends, teachers, parents, family, counselors, etc.) who can help to heal us. We don't have to be alone in pain or the journey out of pain. 

    It get's better. It really does. And it's worth the fight.

    May you find your way out of death and into life. May your life be abundant in joy, hope, and love. May you overflow so that you may share your abundance with others and lead them out of death and into life. Peace be with you. 

    *A fantastic book about the notion of depression being more about choice than oppression is Choice Theory by William Glasser. He is an incredibly successful counselor who teaches the reader how to properly see the way they are living, why they are living that way, and what it takes to change their life. While seeing a counselor is best, this book will help anyone who wants to counsel others and be counseled.

Comments (25)

  • MyPublicSite@xanga

    If we have been depressing (because like it or not, it's a pattern of behavior we choose as a reaction to our pain)

    This made me laugh so hard. I have a severe mental illness and I don't choose when I am depressing and when I am not, much of it has to do with what medications I am on. Right now my meds are not doing well, but usually I'm pretty upbeat.

    If you haven't felt mental illness past a simple heartbreak or the typical suicidal feelings everybody gets, just stop speaking on the subject like you know about it.

  • OmegaMNSR@xanga

    It does not get better- are you kidding me? Life is a cruel, merciless gauntlet- deal with it.

  • OmegaMNSR@xanga

    @OmegaMNSR@xanga - If anything, I wish I had taken my own life sooner

  • MCTCanadian@xanga
  • Epiphany

    How absolutely ignorant. We are CHOOSING to have a mental illness??

    Educate yourself on mental illness. It's like telling someone they've chosen to have cancer. Comments like yours make me VERY angry.

  • Epiphany
  • Christian_and_Proud@xanga

    I don't think the writer meant that we CHOOSE to be depressed (like we want a mental illness), but rather that we can choose to try to find a better solution than suicide. 


    Because the truth is, suicide doesn't eradicate pain but only perpetuates it, extending it to the ones who truly love you and care for you. If anyone who is depressed and contemplating suicide reads this entry or my comment, I hope you realize that you are actually loved and a very lovable person, no matter what you may feel. 
  • ZombieMom_Speaks@xanga

    I'm sorry, but the idea that we choose to have a mental illness that relentlessly screws with our lives is so misinformed a notion as to be laughable. In fact, I would laugh if I weren't so frigging depressed right now.

    I've been struggling with this since I was 14 years old. I haven't chosen to be miserable - indeed I have done everything I can to try not to be. I was christian for 27 years and it didn't help my depression one iota. Meds did, though. I still experience symptoms from time to time but it's isn't as intense as it used to be.

    I sure as hell wouldn't choose to live like this, though. That's a ridiculous theory/belief with no clinical proof to back it up.

    Also, depression is not a matter of having a bad relationship, as Dr. Glasser believes. It is part of a real issue that is physical as well as mental in nature. The author is writing about his own personal opinions based upon his own experiences. This is not an accepted theory by the psychology field in general. It is, in fact, dangerous to people who genuinely suffer from actual depression, as opposed to the occasional feelings of intense sadness most people experience.

  • someoneontheearth@xanga

    I have never suffered from any form of mental illness, yet. But I have been through horrible situations, I have felt depressed, devastated and moments of despair. but I always have a faith that, things will turn out fine, that i will feel better, and that faith, has kept me going on and holding on all this while. this faith doesn't comes from any religion or god, its comes from my friends,  people who still love me dearly, and people like yourself, who post this to motivate others. So, thank you very much. 

  • scrittore@xanga

    I LOVE THIS!  Thank you so much.  My favorite lines:  "Suicide definitely is the easier answer to that horror but
    it's not satisfying for us or anyone connected to us. Removing life is
    not a release we experience for once we're gone, we're gone. We don't
    feel that release, there is no ecstasy or joy that follows such action.
    It can only worsen things for others and remove us
    completely from the opportunity for joy and all the wonderful things we
    desire (like the freedom from present pain and the release of depressing
    behavior). So hold on."

  • hollowhopes@xanga

    I have so much to say I wrote it down in a book. You'll see then.

  • under_the_carpet@xanga

    All in all a nice post, but I don't believe in choice, especially not when it comes to depression. I see this is a Christian site, not an atheist & belief in determinism site, and this is where the argument sometimes gets stuck in the end, so...yeah.

    Still I ask you to consider this: do you CHOOSE all movements your body makes? Would you 'choose to be scared' if suddenly a bear jumped out of a bush?
    I think it is very presumptious to say we choose this way of thinking. Also, how does it make sense if really we don't want death?

    All we can say for sure is it happens. It is a reaction of the brain. If too many bad things happen, our thoughts only link to bad stuff bc this is nearly all we know.

    I know the idea of choice is often used as a psychological trick to 'empower' people, but most people who are actually depressed feel- and rightfully do so- that they didn't choose this, which even makes it offensive. It is like saying: "it is your fault get the fuck over it!" and no matter how kindly you say it, unfair judgement hurts and upsets. They just do not see ANY other way--if it was different & they don't want to die, there wouldn't be any suicides. It could make them feel worse and trigger to assume this.

    All you can do is tell them that things can get better...link the thoughts to some good stuf in their head. This post does so too a bit, and it's said kindly, so not totally talking it down... but many people make this wannabe empowering choice- mistake and it's really a pet peeve of mine.

  • chadwilly@xanga

    I liked this, apart from the choosing part. Its simply not true for most cases. But the rest of the post was kind and true so I'll let you off

  • newportbreeze@xanga

    I don't CHOOSE to have be depressed or have anxiety. I would get rid of it if I could and I don't wish it upon anyone. It's not a choice and this post is ignorant. It proves why I'm not bothering with religion anymore.

  • deadasitgets@xanga

    Is this what God taught you?
    That would probably explain why it all sounds made up on the spot....

  • psihavesurveys@xanga

    Since when does someone choose to have a mental illness? they dont! It's not all about a pattern of thinking. I have dysthimia (which is chronic depression) along with self-harm and i've had suicidal tendencies. I don't choose to think that way. Never have, never will. Educate yourself on mental illness and it's causes, then you can comment on the subject.

  • TheGreatBout@xanga

    @psihavesurveys@xanga,@deadasitgets@xanga,@newportbreeze@xanga,@chadwilly@xanga,@under_the_carpet@xanga@ZombieMom_Speaks@xanga,@Epiphany,@MyPublicSite@xanga - I clearly need to make a clarification. 

    I didn't mean to communicate that any person is ever responsible for a mental illness. That would be more than ignorant, it would be irresponsible and damaging. I'm sorry if I poorly communicated my message and caused any hurt. I tried not to word this post in a way that would give such an impression but it seems that many received that message through my wording. My words "When we've been depressing..." could have been better stated, "When we employ behavior that depresses..." I was using a verb.

    When I said that we choose depressing behavior what I meant is that when we hurt we often function out of pain in a way that creates more pain or sustains the pain we've been experiencing and as a result don't find our way out of depression. Often times we choose to sit on the couch instead of going outside, we choose to dwell on a problem instead of a solution, choose to isolate ourselves instead of socializing, etc. We do not, however, choose to hurt because our Father left us or our spouse died. I'm not saying that anytime we feel depressed it is because we choose that feeling. There is a distinct difference between feeling, action, and chemical makeup. The three all affect each other but they aren't the same. To be depressed is not a choice. To depress is a choice. Nobody should ever be blamed for their pain. People should be held accountable for their choices and behavior. People should be taught how to identify their behavior and why they behave that way and how they can best behave in a way that helps them to meet their ultimate needs.

    To better understand the rest of this idea in fair fashion one really ought to check out the rest of Choice Theory. As I indicated in my footnote, this notion comes from a very highly respected counseling book/theory called Choice Theory which derives from Dr. William Glasser. A lot of people dislike some of his ideas at first, especially when they discover he has never prescribed anti-depressents, but when one looks at his results it's hard to disagree with a lot of his strategy. Even if you end up disagreeing with him in parts his book is definitely worth reading.

    Several successful counselors (who have counseled for several decades) that I have personally met and worked with have followed Glasser's theory with great results. I've also used Glasser's theory in my own life and in my lay counseling with others who have suffered depression. I speak only from experience and trust in respected and successful counselors who are trained and experienced in the issue of helping those with depression (and similar issues). 

    I hope this helps to clear up any confusion that has come from this post. 

  • under_the_carpet@xanga

    @TheGreatBout@xanga - I hate that theory too because I hate being told I am stupid to be honest, but you are right there is not much to diagree with if it's worded like that.  Thanks for clarifying!

  • chadwilly@xanga

    @TheGreatBout@xanga - I'm training to be a counsellor so I'll have a read of this Choice Theory, we've not studied it, I don't know if I'd go by it but it's good to know all the theories, even if I don't agree, I can still learn from them and respect the ideas behind them.

  • chadwilly@xanga

    @TheGreatBout@xanga - Yes I've read it and I can see how this theory would work for some kinds of depression, circumstantial depression where the therapist can see that changes could be made in the present to aid the client's recovery. Such as depression over money, loss of job, maybe even loss of a loved one (to set them tasks, getting them to socialise etc, to improve well-being).

    But I think you have to be careful with what you say about depression, which I think you're aware of, as you said some of it is chemical imbalance and long term and a different approach should be used in those cases, Humanistic say.
    Interesting theory though, and useful to some cases. I think I had touched upon Reality Theory when studying CBT actually, but I just forgot about it
  • Awake_My_Soul420@xanga

    "Don't kill yourself; kill what you don't like [about yourself]."

  • psihavesurveys@xanga

    @TheGreatBout@xanga - As a psychology major, I am familiar with Glasser's theory. However, most patients who are clinically depressed do not know any other feeling, other than depression. Some people do not have the ability to choose. Therefore, I disagree with Glasser's theory. Chemical imbalance is a root cause of depression. There is a difference between depressed and being depressed. Being depressed is centrally based on "oh, i lost my job, so I'm depressed". Depression is roted deeper in someone's mind and is a constant.

  • supernaturalgreatness@xanga

    I may not follow any set religion, but thankfully, after a plan of killing myself recently, I decided to voluntarily go into a psychiatric fascility.  I just got out today and feel great.  Whoever God is, I thank them.

  • xXrEMmUsXx@xanga

    Not all depression is a mental illness, and just because one has not exhausted the learning on the subject does not mean they are exempt from sharing something that helped them.

    Could it be the author simply was not speaking to this people with mental illness? I too do not agree with the choice line, but if this writer realized he had a choice and made it, it worked for him and could work for someone else, though maybe not someone with mental illness.

    I thought the actual topic of suicide was pretty well addressed. I felt though, there could have been more said, but sometimes short and sweet is nice!

  • LadyboyRevolution@xanga

    @MyPublicSite@xanga - @Epiphany - @ZombieMom_Speaks@xanga - @newportbreeze@xanga - @deadasitgets@xanga - @psihavesurveys@xanga -

    I find it extremely ironic that the church here is talking about depression when they have been the ones much of the time manufacturing false guilt and shame (depression) for the last 2000 years. Gay teens is only one example. He said "let's make the choice to walk out of pain". Riiight! That sounds all peachy and fuzzy but if people could just "walk out of pain" then the multiple billion dollar psychological mental health industry would not exists. Neither would drugs. This is an insult and the church needs to keep their mouths shut about the very thing they have been very very much of the time responsible for. Unfrickenbelievable!!!

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