Your definitely smoking some great crack cocaine. The founders did not write the constitution and the so called "founders" did not "find" anything. You know not your history. The TRUE founders are the American Indians and THEY were the ones who wrote the constitution. Iroquois Confederacy. Stop telling lies.

@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - the American Indians were Christians???

@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - the white Immigrants genocide'd the American Indians with murder and rape (because they were so "christian"). They complete tore up Indian families and placed Indian children in border schools. They broke every treaty ever make with the American Indians. The white immigrants stole the constitution from the AMERICAN INDIANS. Then they had to LIE and rename it from the Iroquois Confederacy to the constitution. Christians don't care that there ancestors BUTCHERED the American Indians like savage animals because they are so "kind" and "compassionate".

Bunch of grade A BS is what this is.

lol wut?  Are you serious?  Where the actual eff did you pull that from?  I can't find a single source that backs up that claim, and I've never heard that in my life.

Have you ever noticed how astoundingly secular the Constitution/Bill of Rights are?  IE, no mention of an official religion, no mention of any specific god, and really, no mention of religion at all other than to outline our religion freedoms.  However, these documents are incredibly, remarkably specific in other regards involving our laws and regulations.  How on earth do you figure that such documents were written to cater to a specific religion?

Also, it is stated in the Treaty of Tripoli that, "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

You can believe they fasted and prayed for three days or whatever bull you want, but that's not even slightly relevant whether or not it's true.  The actual, tangible evidence that we have to go off of is that the actual bills themselves are secular, and therefor so is the country.  Most of the founding fathers were more deist than anything, anyway, and even if they were religious they were at least smart enough to realize that that didn't mean the rest of the country had to be.  Obviously they knew the dangers of having a country strictly enforcing religious principals, as that's one of the reasons the original colonists left England.

@Soul_Pizza@xanga - you are 100% correct. They were deists and many of them hated Christianity with a passion. You would think they could at least mention the word "christianity" even once if they were "building a christian nation". Obviously this blog has no problem with "bearing false witness". It just amazes me they think people will believe this tripe. Pure insanity.

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before reconvening in the legislature to write the constitution."

@LadyboyRevolution@xanga - Insults aren't arguments. You refuse to acknowledge the forces of history and blame Christianity for not making history turn out the way you would like.

LadyboyRevolution... it is true.  The American Indians were here first and to say they got jipped is an understatement.  But the post is talking about the "founding fathers" of the legal system and laws we now live under.  I recognize the point you are trying to make and it is valid.  But surely you understand that the Constitution and Bill of Rights is the legal founding of the United States of America.

Soul_Pizza... if you can't find the sources than you aren't looking hard enough.  You will need to look further than the history books since the 50's-60's that have rewritten our history in a biased way. And it always happens... the Tripoli quote always shows up as the only quote to prove your assertion.  

Were the Founding Fathers Christians?  http://www.wallbuilders.com/
It can be easily demonstrated that a very high percentage – in fact, the overwhelming majority – of Founding Fathers were Christians, but certainly not all of them were. Today, citizens are regularly told about the lesser religious Founders (such as Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and Thomas Paine), but hear nothing about the prominent Christians among the Founders (for example, 29 of the 56 signers of the Declaration held what are today considered seminary or Bible school degrees, and many others of the signers were bold and outspoken in their personal Christian faith). Significantly, not one of the Founding Fathers was secular in his orientation; even Thomas Paine (certainly the least religious of the Founders) openly acknowledged God and announced his belief in his personal accountability to God, and he also directly advocated teaching creationism in the public school classroom (see “Thomas Paine Criticizes the Current Public School Science Curriculum”). Over 250 individuals are historically considered Founding Fathers (e.g., the signers of the Declaration, the signers of the Constitution, the framers of the Bill of Rights, leading state governors and generals in the Revolution, etc.), but typically critics list only the handful of the least religious from among the 250 to claim that all the Founders were deists or secular.

I've got access to hundreds of quotes, but let's try some of these on for size:

Benjamin Franklin, Signer of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence
"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that "except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."
(Source: James Madison, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, Max Farrand, editor (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1911), Vol. I, pp. 450-452, June 28, 1787.)

Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"We profess to be republicans, and yet we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government, that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by the means of the Bible. For this Divine Book, above all others, favors that equality among mankind, that respect for just laws, and those sober and frugal virtues, which constitute the soul of republicanism."
(Source: Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical (Philadelphia: Printed by Thomas and William Bradford, 1806), pp. 93-94.)

John Adams, Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Second President of the United States
"[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."  (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

Fisher Ames, Framer of the First Amendment
"Our liberty depends on our education, our laws, and habits . . . it is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers."
(Source: Fisher Ames, An Oration on the Sublime Virtues of General George Washington (Boston: Young & Minns, 1800), p. 23.)

James McHenry, Signer of the Constitution
"[P]ublic utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. The doctrine they preach, the obligations they impose, the punishment they threaten, the rewards they promise, the stamp and image of divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses, and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience."
(Source: Bernard C. Steiner, One Hundred and Ten Years of Bible Society Work in Maryland, 1810-1920 (Maryland Bible Society, 1921), p. 14.)

George Washington, "Father of the United States"
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?  And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?"
(Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)

@agapeartbeat - yes very true. But I am fighting to get my fiance in this country because "some" Christians have tried to make that impossible. Who the hell are they to tell me that me and my fiance cannot be together and live in peace like everyone else??? So I have to be biased because growing up in churches my whole life and seeing the results. The results and evidence tells me that overhaul it has done far far more harm then good. Peace.

No I do not consider America to be a Christian nation.  I don't believe there is any such thing.  Faith is by definition personal and individual...and I think the founders understood that, either through personal experience or in relationship with others.  They made a big deal out of the concept of freedom of religion by offering hope and safe-guards that all individuals would feel free to worship whoever or whatever they choose.

@agapeartbeat - I certainly won't deny that the Six Nation
constitution had some great ideas the colonial founders discussed and
may have used to draft their own constitution.

It just "may have". The so called "founders" and there so called "principals" used to colonialize this country are rape, genocide, and theft. I guess if you want to claim that rape, genocide, and theft is "christian" then I will have to agree with you.

I prefer peace, equality, and helping people. It just "may have". I am sure a bunch of rapist murderers just "may have" not had a problem with theft. Whether that be land (America) or the intellectual idea's of those "savages" (one idea and word they DID add to the constitution).

Anyone who adds the word "savage" to the stolen intellectual property of American Indians are a disgusting people whom I would spit on rather then honor. At least they taught Hitler well.

@LadyboyRevolution@xanga - It is apparent with your name calling, and the focus on the worst in a group, that you refuse to see things any other way then what your anger is feeding.  Those things happened, but they don't represent everyone in that group any more than the same actions that came from some of your own ancestors.  How you can do that in one breath and then claim to be someone who prefers "peace, equality, and helping people" isn't jiving.  Nor is it going to work or accomplish anything other than more divisiveness and prejudice/racism.  Your verbal actions/attitude are not following your words.  It would seem that our discussion needs to cease.

Peace, equality, and helping people doesn't mean to just sit back like a fool and never have an opinion. It doesn't mean allowing uneducated people to falsify history because they want to promote there christian agenda.

@god_stories@xanga - yes absolutely! The reason (as you know) that many people hate Christians is because they want to disregard the constitution (1996 Unconstitutional DOMA) and control everyone else with there "walking talking snake" idea's. I mean how many people complain about the Amish or Mennonite Christians??? Nobody that I know. Or the Buddhists??? Nobody that I know. I love Buddhists.