Saturday, 02 June 2012

  • There are Three Sides to Every Argument

    There are three sides to every argument. 'My side', 'your side', and the way Jesus sees it.

    Whose side is the truthful side? Normally the sides that are not Jesus’ are full of facts that selfishly uplift the speaker and put down the other. But how many arguments are out there in which the speaker will own up to their mistakes? Jesus will easily notice that one uplifts himself before they will own up to their mistakes. That is dishonesty.

    Don't be giving your side to make yourself look better. Tell it as it truly happened. Make your side equal to the side that Jesus has.

    His side is pure. Our side is always corrupted and will always find a way to contradict what we believe.

    Have you ever been in argument in which both sides were wrong?  What can we do in the midst of an argument to step back and think about how God sees the situation?  What would improve about our lives if we could see disagreements from God's perspective?

Comments (10)

  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    Christianity values reason. Therefore it values facts and effective argumentation.

    The purpose of effective argumentation is truth so one need only worry about being wrong if being right is the only purpose for the discussion.

    Engineers who all grasp the same scientific principles will still argue over which design is best.

    And there is no livelier discussion than among Catholic priests all of whom have the same education and the same understanding of Christian doctrine.

    Unfortunately, today too many Christians argue by throwing dogma back and forth like spit wads.  They have never been trained how to use their minds to reason through the doctrines of their religion.

    And that makes them shark bate in today's hostile secular ocean.
  • LadyboyRevolution@xanga

    That would be a good question for a lawyer. 

  • When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga

    @PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - Religion (especially Western monotheistic religion) is propped up by a minimum of faith, dogma, and dubiously-sourced divine doctrine/scripture. These things are antithetical to honest inquiry and argumentation. 


    You can't make faith claims and then defend them with reason. Faith takes leaps, reason takes bridges.
  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    @When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga - Religion (especially Western monotheistic religion) is propped up by a minimum of faith, dogma, and dubiously-sourced divine doctrine/scripture. These things are antithetical to honest inquiry and argumentation. 

    That is a false statement. Christianity is based on Revelation, reason and Tradition.  Some of all that was written and compiled into the Bible.

    Only Protestant fideists think the mind of God can be contained in a book and that dogma takes the place of reason.

    The secular world is challenging Protestant fideism and hopefully will kill it.

  • When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga

    @PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - If you rely on reason alone then you have no reason to believe in the bible's divine authenticity at all. In order to be a believer in the first place, you have to accept its presuppositions. On faith.

  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    @When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga - If you read my comment you would see that I did not advocating relying on reason only.

    I said reason, Revelation and Tradition.
  • When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga

    @PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - Tradition and revelation are antithetical to reason. Your intent is disingenuous, as well as supremacist to your own culture - your exact argument in the middle east would support Islam just the same.

  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    @When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga - No they aren't. Tradition is very logical and reasonable and Revelation led the development of Western Civilization, the greatest civilization in human history.

    Tradition (capital T)  is the mind of God that was not written down yet handed down through teaching. It's obvious that Jesus never wrote anything down so most of what he taught was Tradition.

    Tradition (small t) is anything which is handed down from one generation to the next.

    Either way, tradition or Tradition keeps people from having to re-invent the wheel with every generation. Knowledge and values are passed down from one generation to the next.

    Islam spawned no civilization that can compare with Christian-based Western Civilization.  My claim that Western Civilization is superior is an objective fact, not a chauvinistic opinion.

  • When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga

    @PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - Appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy. When something has nothing but tradition going for it, it is probably wrong. Tradition has been used to defend all sorts of horrible things from slavery to banning interracial marriage, and if you've only got tradition, then your argument is no better. 

    If something traditional is good it can stand on its own merits. Otherwise it stands in the way of progress.

  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    @When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga - I did not make an appeal to tradition. 

    I defined tradition and its benefits.
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