Jesus never said anything about homosexuality, but about divorce he was very clear in Matthew 5:
Why oh why do the conservative pundits love to attack gay people (which, as most of them admit [including Exodus International, famed "pray the gay away" group], is not a quality they choose), but never wage a war against divorce? Hell, Newt Gingrich, who up until two months ago was a legitimate contender for the White House, is on his third marriage. Even worse, he divorced one woman while she was in a hospital bed for cancer treatments, and divorced another after having liaisons with his current wife well before the divorce -- and he was getting the Evangelical vote!
Why is it that, in politics, the "Christian" thing to do is to ignore the actual teachings of Jesus and focus on the parts of the Bible that make your pet issues convenient? If you truly want to worry about the war on marriage, start with divorce. Start with Britney Spears and Kevin Federline, Angelina Jolie and Billy Bob Thornton, Kim Kardashian and whoever the hell she married.
They are more of the front line in the "war on marriage" than loving gay relationships will ever be.
So here's a novel concept: you really want to be a "Christian legislator"? Stop your war on homosexuals, and start your war on divorce. Sure, it might not be the kind of easily pandering to the evangelical base that anti-gay legislation may be, but it's
true to Jesus' teachings. And remember, it's not like Jesus was the most popular guy at the time of his proclamations, so why should you not follow in his footsteps and preach the true teachings of the Gospel rather than worry about reelection? Unless, of course, your Christian image is nothing more than a persona you use to get elected, you hypocritical, money-grubbing Judases.
What are your thoughts on this? Do you think that Christian legislators are missing the mark by fighting against homosexuality but not against divorce?
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@Lynn Males@facebook - You've got the wrong religion. Muslims execute gays. I can't count the centuries since Jews and Christians evolved past stoning gays and prostitutes.
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - The problem of pedophile priests is one of
homosexual men praying on boys. Bringing that up in a post about gay
marriage damages the case for gay marriage being something natural and
healthy.
Bringing up the issue of pedophilia really does nothing to help or harm the case for gay marriage. It most certainly does not point to gay marriage being unnatural or unhealthy. Gay marriage is an issue between two consenting adults - not an adult in a place of power and child regardless of whether the child is male or female (I believe both genders have been affected by pedophilia in the clergy).
That is true. That's why Christians don't
want gay marriage legalized. Because once gay marriage is legalized
homosexuality becomes a government sanctioned sexual preference. That
makes it everyone's business.
Legalizing same-sex marriage does not make those marriages anyone's business but the two people in the relationship. It is no one's place, religious or secular, to interject or impose on a same-sex relationship any more than it is anyone's place to do so with a heterosexual marriage or relationship.
@stunning_dor2@xanga - Gay men praying on little boys is common. It happened to me when I was a kid on various occasions. Homosexuality really is objectively disordered.
We are being sold a bill of goods. Just think of it: gays are only 3% of the population and out of that population how many gay couples really want to get married?
Probably not more than 10,000 at the most. Millions and millions of Christians are being bullied, bamboozled and guilt tripped into betraying their values and destroying their society for a minuscule population who can already live together and love each other and play house together right now..
@iones_island@xanga - Did I say I was oppressed?
And just because I'm an atheist and confident in my beliefs does not make me a troll. Every single post I make has a point. I am not aggravating you simply for the joy of getting on your nerves, I am writing because these are issues that I believe need to be discussed. That, by definition, is not trolling. It is honestly trying to foster debate. You may disagree with my beliefs and my writing style, but that doesn't define me as a troll.
P.S. I'm pretty sure Revelife posts my articles because they generate web traffic. Look at most of their posts, they get single digit comments. Mine average 142 per post (according to their stat-tracker on the right-hand side).
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - I was raised Catholic and I went to Catholic school my entire life. If you take a look at the people who choose to make their opinions public, they are at the extremes. The Catholic Church, does, in fact, tote contradicting doctrines according to what behooves it. Many people have been driven from the church because of the hypocrisy of its leaders and the mouth-pieces in the media. When it comes down to it, the church has moved very far from what Jesus intended through his teachings. The church as established by his disciples after his death, has deteriorated and strayed. Now, everyone is entitled to their opinions and some have very strong opinions contrary to yours, mine, or anyone else's. Frankly, in a public forum when you put your opinion out you take the risk of receiving feedback that is just that, contrary. It's really in how you deal with that feedback.
@Lynn Males@facebook - Civilization can only develop upon a set of values that allows for such development.
Christian values are not barbaric, people are barbaric. It is through the civilizing effects of Christian values that attenuates barbarism.
The biblical account of God working with the ancient Hebrews was an account of God working with a bunch of insincere, conniving, feckless heathens.
It is no coincidence that the greatest mass murders in history were carried out by atheists. There is nothing in atheism that attenuates man's tendency to barbarism.
@GodlessLiberal@xanga - Krisco, is it really worth being back here?
@brown_buffalo@xanga - I question that every single time I read a comment from Loborn.
@Lynn Males@facebook - Again with the hateful insults. You are only proving my point that Christians are fools to hand over their society to hateful, insulting, abusive people.
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - I think you are very set in your opinion and are unwilling to see any other aspect. If the percentage of homosexuals is so small and the amount of those people potentially wanting to marry so negligible, why does it matter to you whether they marry? If they are sinning then it is their sin, not yours, to deal with. It is their relationship. The government is a separate entity from the church and as such as Catholics, Christians, or whatever other faith might be against same-sex marriage, we cannot impose those beliefs on anyone else. At the end of the day, will the legalization of same-sex marriage really affect your life, personally? your faith? Your church's doctrine and teachings pertaining to homosexuality?
@Lynn Males@facebook - The solution is to change the tax laws and regulations governing hospital visitations, not redefine marriage.
And again, through all the hate, abuse and insults your argument for gay marriage is all about the Benjamins.
Why should Christians put up with craven reasoning.
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - Christians are equally capable of being hateful, disrespectful, abusive, and insulting.
@stunning_dor2@xanga - So? Because of that we should redefine marriage? And where is all the Christian hate right here right now?
There isn't any.
All the hatred is coming from the atheists and gay rights advocates. Again I ask, why should Christians give into such a thing?
Why aren't you being critical of the guy who threatened me, the guy who cursed at me and the people who are trying to destroy my reputation and character?
What's wrong with you? Don't you know the what evil looks like? Or don't you care as long as evil agrees with your opinions?
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - "Again with the hateful insults. You are only proving my point that Christians are fools to hand over their society to hateful, insulting, abusive people."
Earlier in this page, you wrote this of Lynn's home country:
"Yes, like every country in the world aspires to be a shit hole like Mexico. "
You must be pretty stupid to play the victim on the very same page where your pettily and personally lash out.
Curtis Bell, you yourself are probably more representative of your choice adjatives (hateful, insulting, abusive) than that of your detractors put together.
@Lynn Males@facebook - Politicians are in government because they are duly elected by the people (except when Democrats steal elections like Al Franken did up in Minnosota).
They don't get there by magic.
Politics is about the art of persuasion. In the American system that takes time. The most energized movement at the moment is the Tea Party movement.
It's objective is to destroy the hold that Progressives have had on the government for the last 100 years.
Gay marriage is only bogus issue brought up by the Democrats as a distraction.
@Celestial_Teapot@xanga - What I said about Mexico is true. And I was speaking truth about a country, not insulting a person.
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - The percieved truth of a slight doesn't excuse from judgement of its effect and intentions.
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - Your identity was relevent because at one point in time, you flasely claimed to be an Asian fitness model and female rape victim. (Showing that your actual name was "Curtis" and that you were actually a portly 57-year-old man demonstrates how that wasn't the case.)
Your identity is relevent now because Xanga deserves to know who you really are-- as to associate your previous online identities with this one. Just because you close and open new accounts doesn't mean your past reputation and past conduct deserves to be forgiven or forgotten.
@stunning_dor2@xanga - It is perfectly proper to argue one's own position.
The reason I am so effective and receive so much hatred from atheists and gay rights advocates is because I am so effective.And the reason I am so effective in making my case is because I have been open to the other side of the argument and have examined it.
Further, my arguments are not based on my opinions. My arguments are based on many aspects obtained from a rich intellectual environment.
So what about you? Why are you taking a stand along side the haters and abusers? Shouldn't you be taking a stand against them?
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - You are not redefining anything - the church will still see
marriage as being between a man and woman, however the government has a
responsibility to protect the rights of all the citizens. Frankly, there
is no legal precedent that would prevent the legalization of gay
marriage. I can differentiate the role of government from my faith and
religion.
There is plenty of Christian hate and as a Catholic I've experienced it first-hand because I don't believe that I should impose my beliefs on others. There are plenty of people on Xanga who disagree with me and have expressed that to me, but we can be civil. That's not what you're doing. You yourself are doing to me what you say others are doing to you because I don't agree with you 100%.
@stunning_dor2@xanga - The reason I am not redefining anything is because it was never my intention to do so.
I think you are not a rational person. I think you are on some sort of medication that is impairing your ability to think clearly.
As a consequence our conversation is done. Goodbye. Farewell.
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - "The reason I am so effective and receive so much hatred from atheists and gay rights advocates is because I am so effective."
No. It's because you're a general asshole.
The number of Christians put off by you illustrates the ideologically-netural nature of your assholeness.
You were banned by Revelife at one point, remember? You're as bad now as when you were LoBornlite or LoBornlytesThoughtpalace.
@PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - That's interesting. Ta ta!!
@Celestial_Teapot@xanga - God bless you. Keep up the good work. You are demonstrating what atheism does to a person's soul.
Why would truth seeking people want to believe in something that turns them into someone so consumed with hatred?
@Celestial_Teapot@xanga - I started looking for the like button. :) Damn, I guess that makes me irrational and a bully. I didn't want to resort to the use of name calling, but if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck - is that how the saying goes?