Thursday, 26 April 2012

  • How Do We Love Homosexuals? Responding to "I'm Christian, Unless You're Gay"

    By Conrad Ma

    So in case the article hasn't reached your Facebook page yet from a friend of a friend of a friend, here it is: I’m Christian, unless you’re gay.

    I read this article and one teen's response to the article tonight, and it got me thinking about what exactly is my stance on homosexuality. Obviously, I have to stick by God and say that homosexuality is most definitely a sin. Everyone in Church already knows that, and we don't have to beat it death. So the tricky part with this issue is how exactly do we deal with homosexuals outside of church? Or is that not even the best way to question it? What we should be asking is what is the best way to love homosexuals?

    Some people take a hard line conservative approach that we should absolutely not legalize gay marriage in Canada. Yet in Canada, some people may take that position not really knowing what the consequences are and what it really means to this particular group of people. I'm thinking that there needs to be some sort of relational connection before we just make such a conservative stance especially when people in Church tend not to know anyone who happens to be gay.

    At one point I did take a zealous conservative approach like that until God taught me more about love and what it really means. Love still means being a friend to those who are lonely and reflecting Christ as best as we can with the help of the Holy Spirit. And pardon my harsh language but there is a part of me that is deeply hurt when the Church makes unloving actions like bullying on a homosexual who has just come out of the closet.

    Being Christ, does not mean beating a homosexual senseless until they commit suicide! Actually, that is rather tame. I could easily insert any number of swear words into those bolded letters. But I won't because that would devalue my opinion and also make me not think very straight.

    Homosexuality may be a sin, but bullying and being overly judgmental is a sin as well. The Church knows this and we should strive to do better, and I write this post as a loving brother in the hopes that we can.

    In addition, there is also another deeper issue. What is the sense of telling homosexuals to not act on their desires when a good number of them don't even know who Jesus is? Unless they already know Jesus, it is downright offensive to say, "You're a sinner," to someone who doesn't believe in Jesus yet. So with this issue, I am almost inclined to take the side of "excuse the sin, till they know Jesus."

    However, with an issue like homosexuality, there are so many other things to consider that I'm not entirely certain if that is the best way to love homosexuals. I've never been close friends with one. However, what I do know is that I will try my best to be friends with that person as normal as I treat any other friend. The author of that article that went viral did touch on at least one thing well which is:

    37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
    Matthew 22:37-39

    Furthermore, there's another question. I am also reminded of a Kirk Cameron interview I saw a few weeks back, and I was thinking that so many people missed a few key points. Yes, we are Christians. Yes we believe that homosexuality is a sin. The thing is, if the world decides to challenge a Christian on the topic of if their child ends up being gay, then the Christian is caught in a trap.

    There's a trap in two ways. First, if the parent totally tolerates the child's homosexuality, then there is part where the parent faces a dilemma of whether he or she is sticking by their beliefs or not. It practically makes the parent look like a hypocrite. On the other end of the spectrum, if the parent outright shuns the child, that's just not being a responsible parent.

    However, like I outlined in this post, there is a mediating factor. We have to ask the question of whether the child knows Jesus or not. If my child does not know Jesus and he or she ends up being homosexual, then I have no other choice but to take the path of tolerance. Coming out of the closet takes a lot of courage to begin with, and I wouldn't want my child to end up committing suicide over the lack of love from others. If my child does know Jesus, then he or she would already know what God thinks and he or she believes the same thing I do. I would try to be as loving of a father I can be to help my child overcome the struggle, because in this case we both believe that being gay is a sin, and we are both in a deep relationship with Jesus.

    I think a lot of this debate stems from Christian parents fearing deeply for their kids that they won't ever get to know to Jesus. It is a scary fact for any Christian parent to think about from what I sense. At the same time, we can't reflect Christ by completely forcing Jesus on our kids. And it is an even scarier fear if a Christian parent ends up with a homosexual child. We have to lovingly teach our kids and pray for our kids. But in the end, the strongest faith comes from those who own their own faith -- not those children who've been overly forced.

    Heavenly Father, I pray for those who will be reading my blog and I pray not only for my readers but for me as well to be able to surrender control to you God on my life and where it is headed and what type of children I'll be taking care of in the future. I pray this humbly in Jesus name. Amen

    If you've read the article, "I'm Christian, unless you're gay," how do you respond?  How can the church lovingly respond to homosexuals -- Christian or otherwise?  Is it the responsibility of the church to hold accountable all homosexuals or just those who are Christians? 

Comments (54)

  • splinter1591@xanga

    @Conrad Ma@facebook - gays are EXACTLY like straights, all different, complex, and human

  • OutOfTheAshes@xanga

    @la_voix_tranquille@xanga - And when we Christians read the Bible, we read Acts 15.

    We're not picking and choosing.  Or at least, like Hamlet, there is method to our madness.

  • Amerindian666@xanga

    The christian church accepts the gender confused, the same has they accept an alcoholics or anyone with a problem/problems.  There are even some people that believe in this day and age, they can be vampire, some even believe they are animals, (Feral Child). While others are treated like animals.  The christian church, has do many, know to heal a nation, you must address the problems and educate.  We all know going to church, don't change a thing, unless you want to change.  But attacking members of christianity and it's believes, to bend to your well, is wrong. (We are not all equal in our believes or education) But we are all here on this planet, fear no evil.

  • Lovegrove@xanga

    Any Christian who thinks they can throw the first stone is a hypocrite.

  • evilcleo@xanga

    I'd like to think being gay and religion are two different things but I know that's not always true. That's just me and my pacifist approach though. Getting involved in a no-win situation never works out well.

  • agapeartbeat

    @Lovegrove@xanga - Define "throwing the first stone".  Again, I have to refer to how one defines "Judging".  A mere statement or correction isn't "throwing the first stone" if it is done with a loving intent.  Although your statement can be very true... there are many who throw out words and name calling, like hypocrite, to get people to back off and silence them.  I am not sure what your intent is.
    Here is a good website: http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html.

    People in the church need to reevaluate how they make statements and how harshly they correct and treat others... but we cannot do so to the point of Truth getting silenced in the process.  When it comes to harshness, on both sides of an argument, a very good point from a recent bible study comes to mind: Is there someone who you admire that is also quick to be harsh?...They might be very intelligent and they might even be right... but the harsh person is NEVER wise.  And in deciding how to treat others and discuss these very complicated issues... wisdom is a must.

  • skyeagle7@xanga
    @Conrad Ma@facebook"I would try to be as loving of a father I can be to help my child overcome the struggle.."-What would be your definition of "overcoming" the struggle? Is it to remain celibate for life? To never love another person of the same sex? 
  • LegionOfLucifer@xanga

    As a member of the Conservative Party, I am outraged that our party legalised fag/dyke marriage without the consent of the people. I am pissed that the Conservative Party is now a pissant leftwing organisation, which is why I am leaving them. Fag/dyke marriage should be outlawed immediately, and all fags/dykes told to keep their lifestyle to themselves... or else. 

  • LegionOfLucifer@xanga

    @Lovegrove@xanga - There is no greater hypocrite than a liberal.

  • LegionOfLucifer@xanga

    @splinter1591@xanga - "I refuse to report ANY of this because I beleive americans dont pay enough in taxes."

    *ROTFLMAO* Your fellow Americans are going to love you.

  • Sammysosa76@xanga

    We love people who are gay just like we love everyone who is a sinner. We all have a sin that can control our lives whether it is gossip,bitterness, pride, or homosexuality. People who are gay are now worse of a sinner that someone who is not. All sin is equal. We all need Jesus as our Savior from our sin and we all need to work on our sins.

  • IniquitousxAffliction@xanga
    @jim_the_american@xanga - @FullTruthSeeker@xanga - I strongly request that the two of you click the link to my page, and read the final post that I have written. I do not blog any longer. I believe it would benefit both parties in even the smallest way.
  • IniquitousxAffliction@xanga

    @LegionOfLucifer@xanga - I will pray for you. I can see you have very little. 

  • MagicalMayhem@xanga

    If you even need to explain yourself and your views of homosexuality, you're already off to a bad start. If you view gay couples in any way differently than you would seeing a straight couple, you're still being judgmental, whether you are public about it or not. If you begin a sentence with, "I believe homosexuality to be a sin, but..." it doesn't matter what you follow it with, you are still being condescending. Bigotry wrapped in prayer is still bigotry.


    I'm not trying to make you feel bad, as I'm sure you are a good person. I'm sure that all of this post was made with good intentions. I just have a few questions for you, and I hope you really think long and hard about it before you respond, if you ever do respond. Your god sends homosexuals to burn in eternity for loving a person of the same sex. Let's say there was a homosexual named Steve, who was a kind man, who would help you mentally, physically, and financially if the circumstance required it, who only ever treated others with respect and had a heart big enough to look past your harsh judgments of him and proudly call you his friend. Do you think this man deserves to live the rest of his existence in extreme pain and anguish? Maybe you will say no, of course he doesn't, but if he died still a homosexual, your god says yes, to say anything other than that would be to cherry pick your bible. Is your god a loving god? Are you willing to accept that your god occasionally does cruel things? In fact, he's probably even done plenty of cruel things to you. I hope this is not true, but you have probably lost someone you loved very dearly, and maybe even in a very cruel way like brain cancer or a car accident. Do you really think it's because he needed another angel? He is god after all, he supposedly created the heavens, the earth, the moon, and the sun in seven days, why couldn't he have just created a new angel?
    I'm sorry that was so lengthy, but I hope you find the time to read it. Please, if you would, view these questions in the most rational, critical way you can. Even if you ultimately disagree with me, please just allow these questions to float around in your thoughts occasionally.
    I hope you have a wonderful day, and I promise you that statement is meant to be sincere, not condescending.
  • LegionOfLucifer@xanga

    @IniquitousxAffliction@xanga - Do not pray for someone such as I. After all, I am a fascist who seeks to crush all religion under my jackboot of progress.

  • f5ye_angel5@xanga

    it's not that hard, i mean, of course, the person usually won't tell you that they're gay right away. when a person is a close friend enough then they will. but for people who are open about it, you don't have to talk to the person about that subject. because it would be rude to call them a sinner. 


    but when my friend asked me if i was gonna participate in the day of silence, i said i don't really care. he was offended because well i was his friend. but i think he understands because he's christian too and i told him that it is also a sin for people to bully them about it so the whole christian and being gay thing wasn't really an issue. i said i don't care because a)what can you really tell them to do? and b)people kinda think marriage is pointless now with the high divorce rate. 
  • alkalifiend@xanga

    Geez, grow up already. It's okay to use curse words to help define what you're feeling. That's why we all come on Xanga to write. Nothing at all wrong with that.

    As for the content, I think anyone who judges an individual simply because they're gay is completely ignorant and idiotic, and I wouldn't in any way associate myself with said person. Sure, it's funny to make gay jokes. There's no denying that. I'm guilty like everyone else. 
    But there's a big difference between joking and practicing in reality. I have gay friends, including my best friend's brother, and I've never had any issues dissociating between this person is my homey and I wonder if this person wants to fuck me. And I'm positive that both sides of this paradigm clearly understand the equation, because if a gay man ever inappropriately touched me or came on to me I would punch him in the fucking face.

  • dustysojourner@xanga

    I didn't read the original article but I read this one and agree/disagree.  


    Regarding homosexuality outside the church, I think it is a mote point- they are outside the church and the Bible specifically says that those outside the church are already judged by God's word and we have no business judging them.  Our task towards them is to preach the Word of Christ and reconciliation through Him. 
    As mentioned, that means that we are compelled through love.  So "beating someone to the point of suicide" is clearly unchristian.  
    Within the church the transformative power of Christ causes us to become a new creation if we have heard His word with faith and are actively submitting ourselves to Him each day.  So, someone who defines themselves as a homosexual and is practicing that lifestyle is in rebellion and we're actually told to expel them from the Church.  But a brother or sister that is struggling against that temptation should be edified and lifted up by his fellow brothers and encouraged to overcome evil with good.  

  • LegionOfLucifer@xanga

    @alkalifiend@xanga - 

     "because if a gay man ever inappropriately touched me or came on to me I would punch him in the fucking face."

    And, thanks to today's laws as created by the liberals of this world, you would be looking at 10 - 20 in a state penitentiary because your 'assault' would be considered a HATE CRIME. Don't believe me? Look it up. Even though the piece-of-shit came on to you, if you assault him, you are considered as attacking him BECAUSE he is a faggot, and that will get you in all kinds of shit. I know because I have seen it happen here in Toronto. The law will overlook the fact the faggot made a move on you. The liberals would consider him as having acted in his own faggot natural way, therefore nothing can be done to him. 

  • LegionOfLucifer@xanga

    It is nigh IMPOSSIBLE for one to be a Christian AND be a faggot/dyke.

  • emily_shannon@xanga

    Of all things God wanted us to do to be like Him, He is the only one allowed to judge.

    Not us, him.


    While it's easy to believe that the same book means the same thing to all people, it doesn't. That's why there are multiple branches of Christianity. You can either get mad at this or deal with it, but it's not going away.
  • LeeKymKween@xanga

    this is stupid.


    it's a sin just like any other sin that we have.
    we have no right to judge them because we're riddled with a bunch of sins of our own..
  • alkalifiend@xanga

    @LegionOfLucifer@xanga - Oh, I believe you. That's not at all surprising, but it wouldn't change my natural instincts in the moment. 

    I do also agree that you can be gay and also be a Christian. In the Bible (thank goodness for the Bible), it's only the practice (like butt fucking) that's considered a sin. I think if God is really the judge (which I don't believe to be the case), then he would be a little more understanding to how every person felt. Of course, I view the world through the prism that says do what you want to do, live and let live. Ultimately, do what makes you happy. 

    Love the hypocrisy in such a "loving" religious context. 

  • LegionOfLucifer@xanga

    "The following information is by Pastor Texe Marrs. Serial killers, government tyrants, academic liberals, Catholic priests, politicians, Mormon Church higher-ups, Jewish rabbis, environmental extremists, communists, religious heretics, mass murderers, occultists, spies, and the Illuminati share something hideous and grotesque in common. Almost all are homo-sexual. Worse, most of the sick-minded men who comprise these demented social groups are not only homosexual, they practice the most kinky and perverted forms of sexual licentiousness-pedophilia, satanic bondage, physical torture, bisexuality, transvestitism, and even bestiality.

    If you doubt this, I invite you to consider the wicked lives of some of these moral degenerates—men like Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Marx, Jim Jones, Alfred Kinsey, Michael Jackson, Jacques DeMolay, Bill Clinton, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Mick Jagger, Aleister Crowley, Hubert Humphrey, Paul Tsongas, Martin Luther King, Mario Cuomo, Rudy Giuliani, Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Speck, and John Wayne Gacy.

    Homosexuality is a disgusting sin, listed in the Bible next to bestiality (sex with animals, Leviticus 18:22-23). The Bible says in Leviticus 18:25 that God vomiteth homosexuals out of the land."

  • syringesofglitter_x@xanga

    Okay so..am I the only one who feels like that article you posted AND your response to it..paints homosexuality as some sort of disease?? Like "how do we lovingly accept that this person as terminal cancer withOUT making them feel even worse about something they CAN'T CONTROL?!" "How do we respond nicely, without shock, fear or disgust that they are ill & there is no cure?"
    Also, you touched base on saying one can't call a homosexual a "sinner" if that homosexual hasn't found Jesus or allowed Jesus into their heart. Something like that. What about the many homosexuals who HAVE found Jesus? Who go to church every Sunday? Who pray daily? Who DO believe in Jesus & have allowed him into their hearts? I am sure many homosexuals believe in Jesus. So with that said..are you willing to retract that statement? Would it then be okay to call a homosexual a "sinner" if you found out they do believe in Jesus? That doesn't seem very loving & accepting to me. I personally don't understand why people can pretend to accept or want to accept something like homosexuality - by blogging like this, but when you really analyze it..it's not that accepting. You don't HAVE to come up with ways to accept someone, you just DO. You can't make a whole church do it any more then you can force anyone else in the world to do something. However YOU can control you. You can accept homosexuals on your own. Worry about yourself, not about everyone else.

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