Monday, 23 April 2012

  • Paul Ryan on Religious Values and Government

    "A person's faith is central to how they conduct themselves in public and in private.

    So to me, using my Catholic faith, we call it the social magisterium, which is how do you apply the doctrine of your teaching into your everyday life as a lay person?"

    "To me, the principle of subsidiarity . . . meaning government closest to the people governs best . . . where we, through our civic organizations, through our churches, through our charities, through all of our different groups where we interact with people as a community, that's how we advance the common good.

    By not having big government crowd out civic society, but by having enough space in our communities so that we can interact with each other, and take care of people who are down and out in our communities."

    "Those principles are very, very important, and the preferential option for the poor, which is one of the primary tenants of Catholic social teaching, means don't keep people poor, don't make people dependent on government so that they stay stuck at their station in life. Help people get out of poverty out onto a life of independence."

    That was House GOP budget chairman Paul Ryan on how Christian values are integrated into good government.  LINK

    Good government doesn't mean no government.

    Good government happens when a self-ruling people come to understand the relationship between themselves and the different levels of government.

    If our religious or moral values don't inform our political thought, what does?

    Do you agree or disagree with Paul Ryan's statements?  What place is there for religious and moral values in politics and political thought?

Comments (11)

  • tau_1@xanga

    There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death


    The key is seem: Paul Ryan seem to have some truth but not the Truth.


    Here is true wisdom:


    Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but .fools despise wisdom and instruction.


    Proverb 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.


    Paul Ryans action speaks louder than it Bible talk.


  • monobeam@xanga

    Paul Ryan makes sense.  Christianity makes sense.  Politicians who are Christians seem to be the best leaders, partly because they are first followers of Christ.

    The Church is good at helping the poor because there is care for the whole person, not just the material needs.

    As government grows, the cost grows, and people have less money to give the the Church.  This big government tries to help the poor, but their numbers just keep growing, the need grows, the cost grows... 

  • romic@xanga

    I think Paul Ryan is trying to make both the budget and government smaller. It would be silly to assume that any man other than Jesus Christ or His Church could have the Fullness of Truth. I stand with Ryan and Walker.

    I agree with the principle of subsidiarity. I think the Church can better help people than the bloated government. So little of any given tax dollar makes it to any specific program. Our government is borrowing so much money from China. If China demands repayment on the spot where would we be?

  • Nous_Apeiron@xanga

    @tau_1@xanga - Are you suggesting that Paul Ryan's actions are at odds with the "Bible talk"?

    I just ask because the passive-aggressive quotations from wisdom literature would be out of place otherwise.

  • romic@xanga

     I don't like when people hopscotch through scripture then twist the verses to support whatever view they happen to hold at that given moment. It's better to read scripture a chapter at a time, rather than juxtaposing a verse from here and a verse from there then concatenate them to mean something that was never intended.

    I do know that Paul Ryan is Christian and that is the basis for everything that he does.

  • love4meislove4U@xanga

    If our religious or moral values don't inform our political thought, what does? I guess that's how the talibans saw it, right? They were a lill bit off target but principally they were applying their religious belief or whatever.

  • NeverSubmit@xanga
    "If our religious or moral values don't inform our political thought, what does?" Something else, obviously. If you don't know what the answer is, then you don't know whether it's good or bad.
  • tau_1@xanga

    @Nous_Apeiron@xanga - I am suggesting that Paul Ryan action is similar to what the Bible describe as a Hypocrite.


    A hypocrite is one who acts contrary to what they say or what they believe.


    Its in the Bible


    Jeremiah 42:20  For ye dissembled in your hearts, when ye sent me unto the LORD your God, saying, Pray for us unto the LORD our God; and according unto all that the LORD our God shall say, so declare unto us, and we will do it.



    The key word is Dissembled


    They consulted God


    like many, not so much to know what was right, as wishing Him to authorize what they had already determined on, whether agreeable to His will or not

  • tau_1@xanga

    @Nous_Apeiron@xanga 



    Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

  • Nous_Apeiron@xanga

    @tau_1@xanga - Okay.  So what actions in particular do you think make him a hypocrite?

    @tau_1@xanga - That's such a great quote.  Jesus certainly had the gumption to come right out and say what he was thinking with regard to hypocrisy.  In fact, the verse is even stronger in context, although the exact phrase that follows is dependent upon whether you're reading Matthew or Luke's gospel.

  • Roland

    Ryan is Right!  For more on his political philosophy, read: http://www.thenewamerican.com

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