Monday, 23 April 2012
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Your Beliefs Are Officially Untrue
By Nic Don at TheopoliticalOne commenter on a recent post said that he doesn’t see the state considering the church as direct competition. I believe this is untrue both in principle and in fact; in principle because for a liberal state the only truth can be that all are free to believe what they want so long as they don’t infringe on the rights of others to believe what they will, and in fact because the political theorists behind modern liberalism explicitly regarded the church as a competitor.*
Standard method of pledging allegiance to the flag until Hitler ruined the gesture.
The perfect illustration is the official policy toward conscientious objectors when the draft was in effect. Pacifists who applied for conscientious objector status were often tested to ensure that they were really committed to their beliefs (sometimes friends and family were interviewed, church membership demanded, etc.) but could ultimately be deemed conscientious objectors. Christians who believed in the just-war doctrine and refused to serve on the basis that the current conflict did not meet the just-war criteria could not be deemed conscientious objectors.
Why is that? Because in this case, pacifism could be regarded as a privately held belief (“I cannot justly engage in violent acts”) that did not intrude on anyone else’s privately held beliefs about violence or justice. Just-war doctrine, on the other hand, cannot be so regarded; it is necessarily a belief that intrudes upon the public square (“This war is unjust; nobody can justly engage in it”). As such the first is a valid religious belief, and the state will not force you to violate it; the second is out of bounds as a religious belief, so the state cannot exempt you from military service. The price one pays to have religious rights is to admit that they are officially untrue; what is true is the creed of liberalism, that the public square is transcendent of any or all gods.
Or, in more explicitly religious terms, so long as you are willing to sacrifice the truth of your beliefs on the alter of the common good, the liberal, tolerant, rational state will accept and protect you from illiberal, intolerant, irrational religions like Islam. And if you will not lay your religion on the alter of liberalism, you are setting yourself up as the enemy.
*Hobbes integrates both church and state into his Leviathan; for Hobbes the state is the church, and must legislate both law and doctrine. Hence for Hobbes there are precisely as many churches as states and no transnational church. Rousseau and Locke, on the other hand, create the liberal private/public distinction by disentangling church from state to precisely the opposite degree.
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I think many pacifists would tell you that their personal belief is just that. Personal, and that they do consider themselves Christian, and to them, non violence is intertwined in Christianity. I don't think they would spend lots of time arguing that others are not of the faith because they aren't pacifistic in nature. It's highly personal. My world war two father who spent three years in combat and laughs at politicians who haven't spent time in combat had a buddy who simply could not kill anyone. Could hold his weapon the way he was supposed to, but after much prayer, to him personally, could not kill anyone, and felt if he were killed because of his inaction, then so be it. This can also be looked at as something rather heroic, if you take the time to analyze it. I'm not a pacifist, but have no problem with those who are, and don't see the world as a wonderful place because of pre-emptive wars, such as Iraq, which has officially made a million homeless people in it's own country. Not trying to argue the pros and cons of George's war. Just saying the pancake has two sides, and unless and until one has seen combat, we shouldn't go around picking on politicians who have. The swift boat veterans come to play, with Rush Limbaugh having such a good time with that one, never having the balls to serve himself.
I think that your argument is lost on most people. It relies upon understanding logic. Any set that is all-inclusive necessarily excludes all exclusive sets. Any set that excludes all exclusive sets is self-refuting. Basically, atheism is the default American religious belief practiced in the public square (imperfectly, of course, since "In God We Trust" is on coins).
Also, if you have a church that isn't incorporated, you are in danger of being thrown in jail for tax evasion. If your beliefs don't allow you to incorporate under the state, that's a problem. Paul would have had a major problem with the church submitting to the state, I believe. That's why the Chinese govt. is persecuting the house church movement--they won't submit to the state.
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