Saturday, 14 April 2012

  • The Warning Signs of a Cult

    There is an important thing to remember when approaching this particular subject. That is the fact that far too often we can get all caught up in names. No group is ever going to call itself a “cult” and no one ever joins a “cult” for that matter. The word “cult” is just a label that carries negative and religious overtones. But the simple fact is that you should be wary of any group that displays the nine warning signs I’m about to discuss.

    Deborah Layton was a survivor of Jim Jones' cult. This was the group that was made famous by the mass suicide in which the group drank poison Kool-Aid in the 80's. In an interview following the event, she pointed out: “You join a religious group. You join a political organization. You join a self-help group. Then things change gradually and at some point you stop and ask, ‘What am I in?’”

    So I can't stress this point enough: Any group you affiliate yourself with, it doesn’t matter if that group is religious or secular in nature. It doesn’t matter if the group calls itself a church, book-club, or Atheist discussion group. Even in a political action group, if you see these warning signs then keep your radar up.

    The first warning sign is when the group discourages questions about their doctrine and philosophy. The reason we have our minds is to use them. The wise say that knowledge is power. There is real truth in that. Following the group is easy. Sometimes it’s even beneficial. But challenging what you are told and questioning your convictions is difficult, especially if you’re challenging convictions that you’ve personally identified with. That’s why it’s best to start from the beginning in asking why you believe what the group believes. If you don’t ask these basic questions then that leaves you in a vulnerable position where you will be taken advantage of, and could even be killed. Even scripture itself tells us to question authority.

    When the group is following one human leader, and s/he has unquestionable authority, it can be a dangerous thing. There is an old saying and I believe it: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is where many, many churches go wrong. It’s also why in scripture you never see the early Christians under the charge of one man. Jesus is described as the head of Christianity. Bishops elders and such were always described in the plural tense whenever used in scripture. Further, Paul warned us about false teachers who: “glorified themselves above the Lord.” Even Jesus himself took on the role of servant when he was with us, rather than political or military leader.

    Next warning sign is when they forbid dissent. Maybe this one goes along too closely with “discouraging questions” but the point bears repeating. And to be fair all organizations have at least a degree of this.

    Being on the inside does not make one right. Further, right and wrong are dependent on the merits of the argument, not the rank of the individual. I often think about the universities in our country when I think of this warning sign.

    It’s common to hear a secular fanatic saying “Imagine, if you will, that you are a doctor. You've spent about a decade of your life going through intensive schooling, you've dedicated much of your life to attaining this knowledge, and the credentials that come with it showing that by an impartial institution you have earned a title that indicates you are an expert on the human body. How intensely pissed would you be if you walk into your office to tell a patient that they have a brain tumor, and she looks up from her smart phone and matter-of-factly tells you that no, it's actually an imbalance of chi that's causing her headaches and dizzy spells. Now, instead of starting on the treatment that will make her better, you have to focus your energy on convincing her that not only are you right, but she is wrong.” That quote is not from a fanatic; that’s a direct quote from Krisco (a.k.a. GodlessLiberal).

    The fallacy here is the fact that you could study all you want till the end of time, and that “study” doesn’t make you right; it doesn’t make you wrong either. The doctor’s feelings may be hurt, but the decision is not about the doctor's feelings. It’s about the patient’s right to choose. Even with all the best education and technology at his disposal, and however unlikely the secular fanatic believes it is, doctors are human and don’t know everything.

    Here’s a really important one. When you’re told that you must sever contact with family and friends who are not a part of the group. This is a huge red flag. This is how a group makes an attempt at isolating its members. Isolation is a very dangerous thing. The reason they want to isolate you is exactly the same as why groups discourage questioning their doctrine.

    Ruling that if you leave the group you can never return is another huge red-flag. This is another form of isolationism and intimidation. I cannot stress enough just how dangerous these two points on isolationism are. They were at the very center of the Jamestown incident. So just like if you’re told to sever contact, should you find yourself in an organization that tells you this one, then don’t walk away: run!

    Having a lot of off-center ideas is not a problem in and of itself. But it is something to be wary of. In fact this warning sign makes me think a lot about the atheist groups that Hector and Connor are associated with. Because I doubt these two started off as the prejudiced jerks they are today. I know Connor personally and can say that’s almost certainly true in his case. They probably got trapped by assuming the non-religious nature of their groups was mutually exclusive with being a cult.

    To quote Deborah Layton again: “One of the ways we do a real disservice to our kids is that when something like Jonestown happens we tell them that they were just a bunch of nuts. This sets up our children to one day be in a situation that is a little bit weird and think, ‘Oh, it can’t happen to me.’ Their antennas won’t be up.”

    You often hear terms from adherents of these groups like fence-sitter and I.N.O.’s ([title] In Name Only) For example if you’re a Democrat you’re a D.I.N.O. or if you’re a Republican you’re a R.I.N.O. When doctrine is so extreme that even semi-adherents are called I.N.O. or referred to by the term "fence-sitter" then that’s a red-flag.

    When their way is the only acceptable way, you should be concerned. Fear and intimidation is how the single leaders mentioned above control their masses. And in reality that’s the big character difference I was talking about in the control and compassion article. Thinking back to the I.N.O. fallacy I mentioned above. This is the core issue in the two points. It leaves no room for rationality or common sense, and that leaves you vulnerable. for example my own best friend for example; says that if any so-called gay person disagrees with him on any of his core beliefs, they must be self-loathing. In his mind there is no other explanation. How can anyone even reason with that kind of irrationality?

    Likewise, Xangans who have been on this site five years or more remember that “Republican-Christian preacher” and his daughters who ran the church out of their basement like Fred Phelps’s clan. But I digress, the important question you should be asking yourself is: “Is the group’s position so weak that it can’t withstand at least a little scrutiny?” If your answer is yes, then it’s time to ask yourself why you are supporting it.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with secrecy in a group, at least not in moderation. Most groups will have this to a degree. The first Christians had to keep secret or be fed to the lions. People like Galileo and Leonardo Da’Vinci had to keep a great deal of secrecy in their progress. In Germany the resistance had to keep a huge amount of secrecy. But keep your guard up. While I raise a softer flag over the “one leader”, “forbidding descent”, and “off center ideas” points; when these three points are combined with secrecy it usually leads to the next warning sign.

    Last and certainly not least: Endorsing bad behavior is a huge red-flag. Abuse of power is a hallmark of dangerous organizations. That’s why the first Christians were so against the one human leader concept. Like I said about the isolation flags above when you find yourself in this kind of group, don’t walk away run!

    Have you ever known anyone who was involved in a cult?  What can you say about what their experience was like?  Based on the points listed above, is there someone you know who you think might now be involved in a cult?

Comments (69)

  • LifeIsACanvas@xanga

    I unintentionally ended up in a cult from the ages of 13-16... I'm 25 now.  All I can say is, it indeed ruined my life.  The biggest thing I learned that made me a better person was, "It doesn't matter what shoes you wear, as long as you get there" and "one man's medicine is another man's ailment."  Some people in any cult (or spirituality in general) tend to form a "my philosophy is better than yours" kind of outlook.  I started becoming a "recruiter" and criticizing anyone who still weren't "enlightened on the path to heaven."  Eventually, I stopped talking to my friends and family. And dated men old enough to be my father. Thankfully the guy in charge got arrested before he could get to a Jim Jones suicide massacre status.  He is currently in jail with hundreds of accounts of statutory rape/molestation, tax fraud, etc.

    Being in a cult and placing hope in one human person, made spirituality tangible for me.  It was easier listening to someone give blame for all the world's problems.
    Thank you for writing this blog.

  • romic@xanga

    The only Person we should follow is Jesus Christ. One things cults do is to worship the leader, not Jesus. Another way cults differ from authentic Christianity is their twisted theology. They often alter it to keep members obedient. It's easy to fall into heresy because some of these cult leader didn't even finish elementary school--L. R. Davis for one.

    Cults are more about recruitment and fundraising than helping others become holy. Behind the scenes there may be criminal activity: drugs, physical or sexual abuse of members. Outwardly, they may seem holy and modest in dress.

  • Nous_Apeiron@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - I'm really not changing the definition of cult.  It has multiple definitions, which I've alluded to previously.  Under the anthropological definition, Christianity is clearly a cult.  Under common usage of the term (which implies far more than the anthropological definition and is the one referenced by the OP), many Christian sects don't meet the standard.

    I really don't mind if you call Christianity a cult as long as you don't equivocate on multiple meanings of the term.

  • spicycajun@xanga

    I have extensively studied the Jonestown incident, and would like to tell anyone who reads this and decides to google it, DO NOT LISTEN TO THE AUDIO TAPES.  Please.  It will change you.

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  • Captric@xanga

    @romic@xanga - you have just described the Catholic church!!

  • Captric@xanga

    @Nous_Apeiron@xanga - Oh come on --- there are not multiple definitions. Multiple definitions allows people who do not think that THEIR particular group is a cult to attempt to wiggle out. Believing in something that is demonstrably untrue, encouraging others to join, marginalizing and in some cases KILLING those who don't, collecting money from the "true believers", participating in centuries old rituals involving eating flesh and drinking blood, evangelizing your beliefs to anyone crazy enough to tolerate you......those are ALL Christians traits and clear signs of cultish behavior.

  • dustysojourner@xanga

    @mikenpeg@xanga - Thanks for sharing your experiences with me.  I am always interested in understanding more about different perspectives, etc.  


    Like most groups and movements, I realize that there are different degrees and variations of each group and, thus, generalizations that aren't sufficient to fully summarizing each individual group.  
    My primary point in all this is that being a community that holds strictly to its values and cores, and expects its adherents to do the same does not constitute a cult- in my opinion.  I certainly see how some Amish communities could be perceived as cult-like because their system makes it very burdensome for individual members to leave once they're in- however, to my knowledge, leaving is allowed and not inhibited by violence (normally).  
    Since you've been in that community, I'd be interested to hear if you consider the Amish to be a cult? 
  • SarahScannell@xanga

    @hollowhopes@xanga - I was going to recommend this to you but I see you've already found it!

  • mikenpeg@xanga

    @dustysojourner@xanga - I don't necessarily consider them a cult, no. Perhaps "cult-like" in many of their behaviors, yes. Particularly the one in which people who leave are barred from much interaction with them, even extending to family members, and also the point where questioning anything in the  reigning belief system is considered rebellion. I can personally testify to those two characteristics. However, I don't think they are a cult in the sense that they are endangering people's lives, hypnotizing or warping normal intellectual development, or coercing by force. I actually have a fairly good- although not close- relationship with most of my family, and although they keep us at arm's length in many ways, they do not infringe on our rights to be who we are or try to force us to come back. The Amish are very tight and restrictive within their inner circle, but once you leave, they do not bother you or try to retaliate. So in some senses they are cult-like, but would never go to the extents cults do to control or avenge someone who has once been one of them. As a whole, the Amish are a peaceful, hospitable, law-abiding group . They refuse government handouts, welfare, or any type of assistance, and are very productive to general society and the economy. Also, contrary to popular belief, the DO pay taxes just like anyone else, including school taxes- even though they build, fund, and operate their own parochial schools. The only thing they are exempt from is Social Security, because it is a government program.
     I can think of one or two radical groups- like the Sam Mullet case recently in the news- where a leader had an almost hypnotic influence over his followers and even coerced them to do terrible things that no one would agree to under normal circumstances. However, those radicals are vehemently opposed by the larger Amish community. I think you could point to the rare rogue group in just about any religion or society (Westboro Baptist, for example).
     Hope this answers your question...

  • romic@xanga

    I think most cults don't hunt down and harm members who try to leave. The Church of Scientology does. They call this practice 'Fair Game'. They are one of the most dangerous cults. Most cults just try to sully the reputation of those who leave and spread unflattering rumors about ex-members. They may ostracize them.

    Westboro Baptist is a cult, not a true Baptist sect. As far as Amish go, it's hard for us 'Englishers' to get a true picture as they are such an isolated group. Over all, they seem polite and friendly. 

  • dustysojourner@xanga

    @mikenpeg@xanga - Yes, that is a very good answer to my question.  Thanks for the input and clarifications.  I'm sure almost all groups could have "cult-like" tendencies- the American sports culture, for example, is quite cult-like in some respects (try rooting for any other team besides the Kansas City Chiefs in KC... it doesn't bode well for you... people's cars have been keyed for less).  


    I am doing missions work abroad now, and I see that in the U.S. this term "cult" is beginning to be used as a scare tactic in many ways and is being applied to people and groups unjustly.  Where I am doing missions work, there are huge and massive cults that are excessively dangerous (even the government fears some of these groups).  So the term "cult" to me takes on a different meaning in some respects than this post gives.  
  • FallenSafely@xanga

    thanks for writing this, it was super informative. I had an issue with a cult who promised to help young girls in distress, and used their issues to gain money. I'll quote a member of parliament in Aussie when referring to the group "A particularly bad example of a money making cult".

    I always follow this logic when thinking of cults.

    A member of the people’s temple cult once said…

    “When you meet the friendliest people you have ever known, who
    introduce you to the most loving group of people you’ve ever
    encountered, and you find the leader to be the most inspired, caring,
    compassionate and understanding person you’ve ever met, and then you
    learn the cause of the group is something you never dared hope could be
    accomplished, and all of this sounds too good to be true-it probably is
    too good to be true! Don’t give up your education, your hopes and
    ambitions to follow a rainbow.”

    Jeannie Mills

  • romic@xanga

    @FallenSafely@xanga - Yes, I agree. If someone you barely knows wants to: teach you the Bible, take you to the movies, to get groceries if you don't have a car, likes you but won't even associate with your friends, and maybe treats them rudely, you just might be slowly joining a cult.

    This cult Bible study tutor we once knew was sent to Russia by his cult-church. He ended up marrying this Russian girl. This cult practices arranged marriage. I don't even know if they spoke the same language.

    He wasn't so much interested in Bible study as mind games.

  • ltl_rvr@xanga

    Sounds a heck of a lot like Mercy Ministries.

  • esfes@xanga

    Thought I would like to mention that I was part of a cult called Good News Mission a few years ago and got out. I have made a blog that talks about them. Here is my first entry and you can read them going forward from there:

    http://esfes1025.wordpress.com/2009/06/page/2/

  • FallenSafely@xanga

    @ltl_rvr@xanga - Why that's exactly what I was thinking...

  • Nous_Apeiron@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - If you don't believe me that there are multiple definitions, just check Dictionary.com and see for yourself.  I've helpfully provided you the link.  Enjoy the multiple dictionary entries as you scroll down.  It's fun reading.

  • wrybreadspread@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - 



    The zombie enjoins all to love others as themselves; to do deeds of kindness in secret so as not to receive public acclaim; to live frugally; to strive for decent treatment of the oppressed.  The talking snake didn’t put anything in anybody.  He merely prevailed on people to deliberately ignore the posted rules in defiance of clearly stated consequences; rather like people do today with various addictive behaviors. Many diverse folk have expressed their admiration for the zombie, including Thomas Jefferson, Albert Einstein, and Mohandas Gandhi.
    The talking snake story is one approach at explaining the origin of evil; kinda like another story of a girl who opened a box full of ills despite warnings not to.  These are quaint stories of antiquity.  I know of another story, a little more contemporary.  It’s about a German philosopher, who hypothesized that the ideal end of the development of the human species was the Übermensch, the Overman, who was not subject to common morality, to whom no moral absolute or law applied.  There are many who prefer the modern tale.
    Not trying to be in-the-face; just expressing some thoughts off the top of my head.
  • wrybreadspread@xanga

    @spicycajun@xanga - 


    I'm perversely curious; could enlarge upon that warning?  How have you been "changed"?
  • wrybreadspread@xanga

    @dustysojourner@xanga - @mikenpeg@xanga


    There's a word that appears in the comments a few times : "sect".  The Amish are a sect as opposed to a cult; and there are sects within the Amish movement.  It can cut both ways, good and bad, to be a sect.
  • wrybreadspread@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - 


    There always multiple definitions.  There are always fine shades.  There is always nuance.  Two theologians will not agree absolutely.  Neither will two biologists, nor two politicians.
  • Captric@xanga

    @wrybreadspread@xanga - Yet there is no religion surrounding the myth of Pandora - however there is a brutally bloody religion surrounding the Christian God and his imaginary son Jesus.

  • romic@xanga

    If anyone wants to come here to bash Christians, don't be a troll. This is a Christian site. If you can't respect that, please move along.

    What is meant by cults in this instance doesn't always have to do with Christianity. Some cults have New Age origins or science fiction origins. They could be based on Eastern religions. What they do have in common is they are built around a charismatic leader. He (or she) wields great power, usually lives luxuriously. Members do not. The leader is usually rich, members are not. The leader gets really good food, members are usually malnourished. Members are usually sleep deprived. The leader usually is not unless he suffers from mania. The leader is not subject to the rules of the cult, but lives above them. If red is somehow a sinful color, he will own a red car.

    I remember seeing the aftermath of Heaven's Gate on the news. The rank and file slept in bunk beds, sometime four or more to a room. Of course their leader had a king size bed to himself and room to  himself. He was celibate, but that's another story.

  • spicycajun@xanga

    @wrybreadspread@xanga - The recording is from when they all took the poison.  You can hear children and babies crying as they are forced to drink it.  Jim Jones is yelling at parents to calm their kids down, to tell them "they are just going to sleep"

    Then it just falls silent...

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