Saturday, 14 April 2012

  • The Warning Signs of a Cult

    There is an important thing to remember when approaching this particular subject. That is the fact that far too often we can get all caught up in names. No group is ever going to call itself a “cult” and no one ever joins a “cult” for that matter. The word “cult” is just a label that carries negative and religious overtones. But the simple fact is that you should be wary of any group that displays the nine warning signs I’m about to discuss.

    Deborah Layton was a survivor of Jim Jones' cult. This was the group that was made famous by the mass suicide in which the group drank poison Kool-Aid in the 80's. In an interview following the event, she pointed out: “You join a religious group. You join a political organization. You join a self-help group. Then things change gradually and at some point you stop and ask, ‘What am I in?’”

    So I can't stress this point enough: Any group you affiliate yourself with, it doesn’t matter if that group is religious or secular in nature. It doesn’t matter if the group calls itself a church, book-club, or Atheist discussion group. Even in a political action group, if you see these warning signs then keep your radar up.

    The first warning sign is when the group discourages questions about their doctrine and philosophy. The reason we have our minds is to use them. The wise say that knowledge is power. There is real truth in that. Following the group is easy. Sometimes it’s even beneficial. But challenging what you are told and questioning your convictions is difficult, especially if you’re challenging convictions that you’ve personally identified with. That’s why it’s best to start from the beginning in asking why you believe what the group believes. If you don’t ask these basic questions then that leaves you in a vulnerable position where you will be taken advantage of, and could even be killed. Even scripture itself tells us to question authority.

    When the group is following one human leader, and s/he has unquestionable authority, it can be a dangerous thing. There is an old saying and I believe it: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is where many, many churches go wrong. It’s also why in scripture you never see the early Christians under the charge of one man. Jesus is described as the head of Christianity. Bishops elders and such were always described in the plural tense whenever used in scripture. Further, Paul warned us about false teachers who: “glorified themselves above the Lord.” Even Jesus himself took on the role of servant when he was with us, rather than political or military leader.

    Next warning sign is when they forbid dissent. Maybe this one goes along too closely with “discouraging questions” but the point bears repeating. And to be fair all organizations have at least a degree of this.

    Being on the inside does not make one right. Further, right and wrong are dependent on the merits of the argument, not the rank of the individual. I often think about the universities in our country when I think of this warning sign.

    It’s common to hear a secular fanatic saying “Imagine, if you will, that you are a doctor. You've spent about a decade of your life going through intensive schooling, you've dedicated much of your life to attaining this knowledge, and the credentials that come with it showing that by an impartial institution you have earned a title that indicates you are an expert on the human body. How intensely pissed would you be if you walk into your office to tell a patient that they have a brain tumor, and she looks up from her smart phone and matter-of-factly tells you that no, it's actually an imbalance of chi that's causing her headaches and dizzy spells. Now, instead of starting on the treatment that will make her better, you have to focus your energy on convincing her that not only are you right, but she is wrong.” That quote is not from a fanatic; that’s a direct quote from Krisco (a.k.a. GodlessLiberal).

    The fallacy here is the fact that you could study all you want till the end of time, and that “study” doesn’t make you right; it doesn’t make you wrong either. The doctor’s feelings may be hurt, but the decision is not about the doctor's feelings. It’s about the patient’s right to choose. Even with all the best education and technology at his disposal, and however unlikely the secular fanatic believes it is, doctors are human and don’t know everything.

    Here’s a really important one. When you’re told that you must sever contact with family and friends who are not a part of the group. This is a huge red flag. This is how a group makes an attempt at isolating its members. Isolation is a very dangerous thing. The reason they want to isolate you is exactly the same as why groups discourage questioning their doctrine.

    Ruling that if you leave the group you can never return is another huge red-flag. This is another form of isolationism and intimidation. I cannot stress enough just how dangerous these two points on isolationism are. They were at the very center of the Jamestown incident. So just like if you’re told to sever contact, should you find yourself in an organization that tells you this one, then don’t walk away: run!

    Having a lot of off-center ideas is not a problem in and of itself. But it is something to be wary of. In fact this warning sign makes me think a lot about the atheist groups that Hector and Connor are associated with. Because I doubt these two started off as the prejudiced jerks they are today. I know Connor personally and can say that’s almost certainly true in his case. They probably got trapped by assuming the non-religious nature of their groups was mutually exclusive with being a cult.

    To quote Deborah Layton again: “One of the ways we do a real disservice to our kids is that when something like Jonestown happens we tell them that they were just a bunch of nuts. This sets up our children to one day be in a situation that is a little bit weird and think, ‘Oh, it can’t happen to me.’ Their antennas won’t be up.”

    You often hear terms from adherents of these groups like fence-sitter and I.N.O.’s ([title] In Name Only) For example if you’re a Democrat you’re a D.I.N.O. or if you’re a Republican you’re a R.I.N.O. When doctrine is so extreme that even semi-adherents are called I.N.O. or referred to by the term "fence-sitter" then that’s a red-flag.

    When their way is the only acceptable way, you should be concerned. Fear and intimidation is how the single leaders mentioned above control their masses. And in reality that’s the big character difference I was talking about in the control and compassion article. Thinking back to the I.N.O. fallacy I mentioned above. This is the core issue in the two points. It leaves no room for rationality or common sense, and that leaves you vulnerable. for example my own best friend for example; says that if any so-called gay person disagrees with him on any of his core beliefs, they must be self-loathing. In his mind there is no other explanation. How can anyone even reason with that kind of irrationality?

    Likewise, Xangans who have been on this site five years or more remember that “Republican-Christian preacher” and his daughters who ran the church out of their basement like Fred Phelps’s clan. But I digress, the important question you should be asking yourself is: “Is the group’s position so weak that it can’t withstand at least a little scrutiny?” If your answer is yes, then it’s time to ask yourself why you are supporting it.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with secrecy in a group, at least not in moderation. Most groups will have this to a degree. The first Christians had to keep secret or be fed to the lions. People like Galileo and Leonardo Da’Vinci had to keep a great deal of secrecy in their progress. In Germany the resistance had to keep a huge amount of secrecy. But keep your guard up. While I raise a softer flag over the “one leader”, “forbidding descent”, and “off center ideas” points; when these three points are combined with secrecy it usually leads to the next warning sign.

    Last and certainly not least: Endorsing bad behavior is a huge red-flag. Abuse of power is a hallmark of dangerous organizations. That’s why the first Christians were so against the one human leader concept. Like I said about the isolation flags above when you find yourself in this kind of group, don’t walk away run!

    Have you ever known anyone who was involved in a cult?  What can you say about what their experience was like?  Based on the points listed above, is there someone you know who you think might now be involved in a cult?

Comments (69)

  • caroliiineee@xanga

    Thanks for this post. I think a lot of times people will also throw around the word cult and claim any organization that they don't agree with is one. I don't think I've ever met anyone who was apart of a cult, but when I got saved people assumed I had joined a cult. 

    I've also had someone try and tell me the International House of Prayer in Kansas City (which I loooooove!) is a cult. It's definitely not. 
  • Shadowrunner81@xanga

    I think there are a couple of Xangans running their own little personality cults.

  • Captric@xanga

    Are you in a cult if you believe that if you telepathically accept a Zombie as your personal Lord and Master and symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood in a bloody cult ritual called communion that he will allow you to love forever by removing an evil force from your soul put there because a talkning snake told a rib less women to eat fruit from a magical tree?

  • Captric@xanga

    @caroliiineee@xanga - you are a member of the largest cult in the country ---- just because OTHER people are participating does NOT mean that it is NOT a cult.

  • Nous_Apeiron@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - No.  Believing strange things does not by itself a cult make.

    Antimatter and dark matter are really strange things to believe in, and yet believing in them doesn't latae sententiae make me a member of a cult.

    @Shadowrunner81@xanga -  Of course.  The internet makes that really easy to do, and sometimes it's even unintentional.

  • mikenpeg@xanga

    I used to be Amish, and although the Amish would never think of themselves as such (and I didn't either when I was still there), they are surprisingly cult-like. In fact, they fall under almost every one of the above categories.

  • Ancient_Scribe@xanga
  • Captric@xanga

    @Nous_Apeiron@xanga - I know of NO ONE who is a member of the cult of anti matter believers and I would certainly not refrain from calling them a cult if they believed that anti matter was going to make them live forever and then use their beliefs to try to gain power and money form other people, start wars, stone people to death, cut off heads, call down the wrath of their anti matter gods on anyone who does NOT believe in anti matter, try to make their anti matter beliefs the law of the land and at a minimum - marginalize anyone who opposed them.

  • THE_LORDS_FREEMAN@xanga

    @mikenpeg@xanga - The Amish have a lot in common with other plain Anabaptist groups.  They use group control in an effort to avoid the influence of the general culture.  This peer pressure isn't all bad but it definitely has it's shortcomings.  Members of these groups can become prejudiced against "outsiders".  Christian history is filled with this type of thinking, isn't it?  Aren't you thankful that these groups believe in the non-resistant teachings of Jesus:) 

  • snarkius@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - God, anyone has been around D&D nerds knows that it is a 'lich' not a 'zombie.' 

  • Captric@xanga

    @snarkius@xanga - sorry --- whats a lich? I have no D&d Nerd friends


  • mikenpeg@xanga

    @THE_LORDS_FREEMAN@xanga - Exactly. Although they will use emotional and psychological manipulation sometimes to try to convince or force someone to stay with the group, they are generally peace-loving and do not use violence. This does make it possible to leave without worrying about one's physical safety, which is certainly not true of some cults- even religions.
     And yes, although the Amish and similar conservative Anabaptist groups place much greater pressure on their people to do and think a certain way than most faiths, there is some degree of that the Christian church's past (and present). Probably unavoidable, since unity and harmony are the ideals for any organized community, but the ideal cannot be perfectly reached because humans are so diverse.

  • Tracey

    My husband and I attended for only 4 months a church that we (and many others) now consider "cultic."  I wouldn't say it's a "cult"; I'd say it's cult-like, socially.  It's a large mainstream "family of churches" with growing membership.  However, there are now at least 2 large websites out there devoted to survivors of these "churches."  It's a tricky thing because they're not espousing anything that's recognizably false doctrine, but they draw you in with "love-bombing" -- a common cultic tactic to instill loyalty -- and with subtle nudges towards "their" way, aka the right way, of doing things.   There's recently been a HUGE shakeup in the organization and it's sad to see how many people are coming forward with tales of spiritual abuse and molestation from the ranks of this seemingly mainstream organization.  And when I say mainstream, I mean, endorsed by the likes of John Piper and Albert Mohler, et al.  Still, the day is coming, I think, when 20/20 will come a'callin' to this group.  It's THAT bad.

    We're fortunate that we're both stubborn, I guess, because their tactics didn't work on us, although I could certainly see how they DO work. 

    So I would add:  Be on the alert for any church that overly fawns over you and presses  you for involvement before you're ready.

  • Nous_Apeiron@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - And even if they did believe those things, that by itself would not make them a cult.

    Even promoting policy decisions based on their strange beliefs would not make them a cult.  I could promote the Eightfold Path because I believe that a man gained enlightenment as to the true nature of the universe while sitting under a tree for way too long and that the best way to help my fellow man is to enforce the Buddha's values socially.

    What you described above does get closer to a cult than just strange beliefs.  Or even attempts to legislate morality.

    Cults are, in current usage, new religious movements that have beliefs or practices outside the bounds of acceptable behavior for established mainstream religions and use devious psychological techniques to gain and control new adherents.

    A group devoted to the concept of antimatter to such a degree that it is anthropomorphized and worshiped would be a new religious movement.  Stoning people to death and cutting off their heads would certainly be outside the bounds of acceptable behavior for mainstream religions.  What your revised example is missing is the part about using devious psychological techniques to gain and control new adherents.  This something that many mainstream religious organizations are not doing effectively, or we'd see religious adherence rising as quickly among some groups as it falls among others.  It is not.  In fact, adherence to traditional religions is definitely taking a general downturn.

    Now I suppose I could commit the equivocation fallacy and conflate the above common usage meaning of the word cult with the anthropological usage of the term.  But they are two quite different uses of the term, and the distinction between the word "cult" in common usage and "religion" in common usage is at least a useful and interesting distinction.  I'm not terribly interesting in collapsing useful distinctions simply because it makes it easier to dismiss large groups of people as crazy.

  • MJRx9000@xanga

    Good post, but Jim Jones was in the 70s.

  • dustysojourner@xanga
    I recognize this is generally directed towards all kinds of groups- but I want to take this from a Christian perspective for a moment and suggest that this post, in addition to some very good points, requires some clarity so that Christians are not turned away from the Truth by mistaking even Jesus Christ as a cult leader. 
    Romans 16:17 & Galatians 5:20- dissent within the Church is considered an act of carnality and we're told to be wary of those who cause dissension; the important distinction is in how Christians handle dissension versus how a cult would hand it.  
    2nd Peter 2:1 (basically the whole chapter though)- you mentioned that off center ideas was not necessarily a "big deal", yet it is considered one of the biggest indicators of a false teacher. The word for "heresy" is "hairesis" and actually means "choices, opinions, or factions".  Peter said that someone who was introducing destructive heresies is a false teacher.  Essential, off center ideas.  
    John 14:6- Jesus said that He is the only way and no one comes unto the Father except for through Him.  Again, it's not about the singularity of the way, it's about the direction of the way: does that way point back to Christ, or, like you aptly pointed out in this article, towards a fallible human leader who is teaching "off center" ideas that Christ did not teach?  

    We shouldn't forget our greatest protection and power over the forces of darkness in this present age- the Holy Spirit, by whom, and through whom we can test all teachers and all spirits because the Holy Spirit has the authority of Christ to overcome the world in those who believe in Him. 
    One of the biggest weaknesses that these "cult leaders" (whom I would call false teachers) exploit is the human tendency of pride to lean on our own knowledge, understanding, and sufficiency to somehow intellectually "spot" them.  
    In addition to being aware of their presence and methods (which se certainly should), we ought to train ourselves to spot the deceptions and lies of the enemies "off center teachings" by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. 
  • CandiedLilac@xanga

    Somehow I ended up watching youtube videos on the conspiracy theories of the Jonestown suicide. 

  • dustysojourner@xanga

    @mikenpeg@xanga - I am not Amish, but to my knowledge the Amish require their children to leave at a certain age and make a decision about what kind of lifestyle they want to lead- if that is correct, I don't think that they would quite fall into the cult category.  I think that this kind of post, well-intentioned as it is, needs a great deal more specificity in order to avoid making us unfairly label groups as cults that are not.  Christianity itself could be labeled a cult if you used these categories strictly.  


    Cults often have ulterior motives of power and control that many relatively exclusive groups may not exhibit themselves.  
    Food for thought at least. 
  • romic@xanga

    Excellent post! I actually joined Xanga because I was studying a certain cult at that time. One of the then Xangans was posting about the very same cult. His scripture knowledge kept him from joining this cult. He since moved on from Xanga and the cult. I have associated with  a few cult superficially. Even then it's hard to shake off the mental chains.

    One thing is true, if one is in a cult, the group they are with is not a cult to the. They can't see it because they are too close to it to see it for what it is. The 'bad things will happen if you leave' argument is definitely one aspect of cults.

    A couple posters here probably were/are involved in cults.

    Here are some links than have helped me: FACTnet,Just CFCMI Help , Rick Ross. If someone you know thinks your religious community is a cult do some reading on these websites and others because you just might be. The longer you stay in the more difficult getting out becomes. Cults never see themselves as cults, but often as the Only True Religion. There is this exclusivity aspect to them. They also demand huge amount of time and money from members. Beware!

  • Captric@xanga

    @Nous_Apeiron@xanga You cannot change the definition "cult" to match your own view. The term

    cult

    identifies a pattern of ritual behavior in connection with specific objects, within a framework of spatial and temporal coordinates.

    Ritual

    behavior would include (but not necessarilly be limited to) prayer, sacrifice, votive offerings, competitions, processions and construction of monuments. Some degree of recurrence in place and repetition over time of ritual action is necessary for cult to be enacted, to be practiced. Therefore Christianity is clearly a cult.

  • romic@xanga

    Another thing about cults what wasn't brought up is that they often put up a front. If you are a new recruit, but not baptized, or initiated, per se, then they might treat you very politely and kindly. You can come and go as you please. Only after making a full conversion is the true identity revealed. Then huge demands of time, money, loyalty are made. You might be even be required to live with them, told when to eat, what to eat, when to sleep, when to pray...

    One more humorous link about cults. Mind Control Made Easy 

  • romic@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - I agree. Many things are cults--even fan clubs fit that definition. What is meant by the original poster is dangerous coercive cults. Please visit my links. 

  • romic@xanga

    @hollowhopes@xanga - When I was in college I was warned by a Christian friend to stay away from Campus Crusade for Christ and other similar groups. My friend was being kind when he described them as 'militant'. I got the message loud and clear. Other ones to avoid are University Bible Fellowship and The Way International. 

  • mikenpeg@xanga

    @dustysojourner@xanga - Some Amish churches' young people do leave for a time, typically called "Rumshpringa". It happens, and some parents do not stop their children from doing this, but in no way are the parents actually endorsing or approving it. It is simply the custom in the larger Amish communities of Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and PA.  However, many Amish churches DO NOT have this custom, nor even come close to allowing it. The church I grew up with had a rule that if teenagers in the home were not obedient to the church rules, the parents were responsible for either getting their kids to shape up and do as told or ask them to leave the home (ie kick them out). Since Amish teens have very little tools for living in the real world, such as transportation (no cars), education beyond 8th grade, and are not permitted to keep all the money they earn from jobs until around 20-21 years old, this would pretty much land them on the streets. So they shape up.
     Also, in those Amish communities where the teens do the Rumspringa thing, it is allowed only for a short time. They are not allowed to marry before joining the church, (unless they elope), and if the teen does choose to make the outside world a permanent lifestyle instead of a temporary one, they must usually sever ties to their previous life and are not welcome at church functions or community events except for the occasional wedding or funeral within the family.
      Even where the excommunication/ban is not applied, the Amish are very skilled at neatly ostracizing people from their lives they deem dangerous influences. For example, myself. Because we joined a church with Mennonite ties and background, and are still somewhat conservative, we were not officially banned, however, we are not invited- or welcome- to anything that happens within the family and community except for the occasional formal family gathering. Three years ago, we moved into town, 15 miles away from the Amish community where my family still lives, and although my whole family shops and banks within several miles from our house, about half of my nine siblings have never set foot in my house. When you leave the Amish, they make it very clear that you cannot come back in except as an outsider or stranger.
      Speaking of generalizations, there are dozens of different types, degrees, and levels of Amish, so whatever you have read about them can certainly not be applied to them overall. Most books, movies, and even informative articles are extremely inaccurate in their portrayal. One excellent resource that is the most accurate book about the Amish, in my opinion, is Ira Wagler's memoir, "Growing Up Amish", which can be purchased from Amazon. (My family knows his family, and my childhood Amish community is briefly mentioned in the book). It is great for anyone wishing to get past the hullaboo of reporters and Hollywood and hear from someone who actually WAS Amish and experienced it.

  • Peterso2020@xanga

    Good topic for a post!!  I am reminded about how they teach people to identify counterfeit money. They expose them for a prolonged period with the authentic. Within the context of "Christianity," what does an authentic faith in Christ look like? What does it mean to be a genuine follower of Christ?

    The reason I am raising this issue is that it is easy and very possible that characteristics we can call cultism is really authentically Christ-like. Looking forward to get some thoughts. Fundamentally to determine if something is authentic or not, we must know what is authentic, and this cannot be determined by what we in ourselves deem comfortable or compassionate..
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