Monday, 09 April 2012

  • Welcome Everyone: Thoughts on Easter's Yearly Return to Church

    Yesterday was Easter Sunday and as all those who regularly go to church know, Easter Sunday is the one day of the year when the church is packed and you have to go to church more than 15 minutes ahead of service instead of right when service begins. I arrived early and, as I sat down to wait for church to begin, two other guys sat down beside me.

    Now this is where it becomes a very sensitive issue. Today in Homily, the Father talked about how even though Jesus knew Judas was going to betray him, he still welcomed him into the garden and paradise with a kiss. He welcomed a sinner.

    I don't want to make assumptions or anything, and I am not sure, but it seemed like they were a couple. Even if they weren't gay, what came to my mind is still an issue that I haven't been able to put down since this morning. It might have been the way they dressed or the way they acted, but it felt as if they were indeed together. 
    What really hit me was when the man sitting right beside me started tearing up during Mass.


    He knew all the songs, all the prayers, everything. He gave me the impression that as a child, he was raised Christian and went to church regularly, but eventually, at some point in his life, he came out and told people of his sexual orientation. His tears made me feel as if, although he wanted to belong to the Church, he no longer felt welcomed or that he was rejected, or that he knew his life would be constantly judged as a homosexual in this religion which called it a sin.

    But he came today, on Easter Sunday, the one day when everyone comes to celebrate Jesus's resurrection, and he teared up during Mass. I can't quite explain how I felt when he teared up, it seemed to me as if he believed in God but the religion was simply not accepting. I wanted really badly to tell him, that if he is indeed gay, that I love him just as much and that there are others in the community who do as well. And although I am only a child in my faith, I honestly do not believe that it is our place to judge others.
    Obviously it would've have been weird if I did told him that, but at the same time, I feel as if it might've given him some hope that he could come back to the Church, even as a homosexual in the life he lived; or at the very least, give him the knowledge that not all of us thinks his entire life is a sin and that he chose to be gay. I didn't say it, but it has kept me thinking throughout the day and I really want to ask others of their opinion on it. 
    My experiences and views on homosexuality is definitely quite different from most people as I have encountered and are friends with more gays/lesbians than most people. I have no idea whether homosexuality is a phase or whether they chose it, or even if it is a sin. But what I know is that they, too, are humans and children of God. I realize that as a Catholic, the Church says that it is a sin for a man to love another man -- or a woman to love another woman -- but I honestly don't believe God gave us the power to judge them, it is His authority, not ours. But then again, I don't know when the line ends and where the next one begins when I put it this way. 
    Jesus welcomed everyone, even Judas the sinner who would betray him and eventually commit suicide. Being welcoming, isn't this exactly contrary to a majority of Christian's hatred towards homosexuals? Once again, I am only a child but when I think about it, Christ also said that to enter His kingdom, we must be like children. A child is innocent and non-judgemental, they will befriend everyone if they were allowed to choose and grow up on their own, away from the influences of others. God created everyone just the same, heterosexuals and homosexuals, just like them, we, too, often sin, wouldn't He also welcome us into His kingdom? 
    I have no idea how to go about this topic, whether I should raise it to the priest and discuss about the issue. But today, I really paid attention to it when I experienced the man in Church cry, I know that as someone who is a believer in Christ and someone who is accepting of homosexuals this is something that will probably bug me for a really long time.

    Did you see anyone at church on Easter who you weren't expecting to see?  How did you go about welcoming them to church?  How can we encourage those yearly returners to come back the next week?

Comments (9)

  • Ork58@xanga

    I don't think children grow up as innocent and accepting as you paint them. I have watched children be terribly cruel and merciless to other children, that is where they need a parent to guide them in their behavior toward others.

    I think we should all be accepting of those who come to church to seek acceptance from our God, to seek understanding and knowledge. To know themselves, especially if they live a lifestyle that is in conflict with Biblical principles.

    Jesus tells us that in our new lives, in Heaven, we will not be given or taken in marriage, that indeed, we will not be male or female. Apparently we will be able to recognize one another, but we will be different in our bodies, whatever form that may take.

    As for the fellow sitting weeping, being moved by the message or music or whatever, reminds me of the shortest verse in the Bible.

    Jesus wept.

    The Catholic Church has a huge black eye from years of pedophilic priests, shuffling them around and hiding them instead of dealing with that issue. We are sexual beings. God designed us to have sexual urges, and yes, in nature, reproduction is between a male and female of a given species. We are one of only a handful of living creatures that use sexual relations for enjoyment, as well as reproduction. For most animals it is simply an instinct, urged on by hormones and the innate need to repopulate the species.

    I think God only knows if homosexuality, bisexuality, and any other type of sexual behavior is a "sin". It seems logical that we would shield sexual acts from people young enough to not fully understand the repercussions of it, to protect the children from deviants and miscreants, who would use another person for their own sexual gratification rather than mutually enjoying each others bodies. Yes, the Bible specifically calls out homosexuality. And in the Old Testament, there are many other rules against certain behaviors, including "unclean" foods, handling or eating blood, women's menstrual cycles and so on. Many of those were superceded in the New Testament, where Jesus was always trying to get people to see the "bigger picture", instead of getting hung up on following every letter of "The Law".

    God doesn't tell us everything we want answers to, in the Bible. A lot is left for the individual to seek out, in prayer and petition, in discussion with fellow believers. If everything were spelled out, we would be lemmings, automatrons, not individuals with a free will.

    Jesus structured his sermons and teachings to reach out to the people of that day and society, conforming with the man-made structures in place. Yet He taught us to be "in the world, not of the world", meaning that whatever society or generation we are in, we are to apply the truths found in the Bible to our surroundings. We are to love one another as we love ourselves. We are to learn about and praise Creator God. We are to spread the Good News of everlasting life to the four corners of the earth, often at great personal sacrifice to ourselves. And if necessary, we are to give our all, even our lives, for the greater good. Our rewards are not material, not earthly, but etheral. We work and play and live with the promise that Jesus made, that one day we will be with Him in paradise. He teaches us that in his Father's House are many mansions, and He went to prepare a place for us, so those that believe in Him will come to live with Him in eternity.

    That is the core message of the Bible, the rest is just peripheral..

    So next time you are in Mass, and those fellows come in, greet and embrace each one, tell them how genuinely happy you are to see them, that it gladdens your heart to see a brother seeking a relationship with God, wisdom, and knowledge. Tell them of the compassion you felt as you saw them in church on Easter, and that you could see God working through their very presence in church.

    Motivated you to write this post, didn't it?

  • Captric@xanga

    @Ork58@xanga - Christianity is the belief that if you telepathically accept the Jewish Zombie Jesus as your master and eat his flesh and drink his blood that he will let you live forever by removing an evil force from your soul put there because a talking snake told a rib less women to eat fruit from a magical tree!

    How ridiculous is that?
  • Pollypinks@xanga

    If we think of homosexuality as a sin, why must we make it the worst sin possible?  Consider Focus on the Family, for a moment.  Take a few days and read "Jesus, The Bible, and Homosexuality", by Jack Rogers, and put this whole thing to rest, once and for all.

  • NightCometh@xanga

    A few thoughts:

    "I have no idea whether homosexuality is a phase or whether they chose it, or even if it is a sin."
    The Bible straight up says it's a sin, so that's not up for debate. 

    "I realize that as a Catholic, the Church says that it is a sin for a man to love another man -- or a woman to love another woman:"
    No.  The church (and the Bible!) teach that all of us are to love everyone, even our enemies...according to our positions with each other.  I love my mom differently than my husband, my kids differently than my boss.  What the church (and Bible) condemn are the perversions of love...namely lust.  Sex outside of marriage, obsession, pedophilia, and homosexuality are sins that damn and endanger a person's soul to hell. 

    I'm not sure what you mean by "it's not our place to judge them".  What do you mean?  If they are self-proclaimed homosexuals, then we aren't "judging" if we tell them the truth about what the Bible says.  God has handed us His very words on the matter, and like you said...HE is the judge. 

    It is not our place to say "aw, that's not a very bad sin.  Let's let it slide".  If we believe the Bible is true, and that man is in a fallen state apart from God because of sin...it is the MOST unloving thing in the world to let someone think he is a Christian and actually be living in perpetual sin.  I don't know about you, but I'd much rather someone feel uncomfortable hearing the gospel preached than to be lulled into a false sense of security thinking God's okay with his sin, when indeed he is bound for hell. 

  • JstNotherDay@xanga

    I think talking to the priest about it would be a good idea.

  • MommaFish89@xanga

    I was once told, actually during my RCIA classes just last year, that being homosexual and having homosexual feelings is not a sin, that it is acting upon it that is the sin. Just as having sexual relations outside of marriage, period, is a sin.
    It all boils down to God's will for us. And I always get the "well how do you know what God wants from us, did He come down and tell you". No, not to me specifically, but He told the world.
    My two best-friends in the world are a lesbian couple, one of them I've known since high school. They know my stances on the issue and I know theirs. We have enough respect for each other not to try and pound ones' beliefs into the other.
    You are right, though. God chose every single living breathing person, and even those not yet born, to be on this earth for a reason. He loves each and every one of us. Even the murderers, the rapist, the pedophiles, and the thieves. And we may never understand the "why" of this but that is why He is the Lord and we are His children.
    Personally, I think the best thing for you to do is to welcome these gentlemen with a warm smile and compassion. He is no different than any other parishioner in the fact that he has struggles as every soul does.
    The best advice that I can give you is to pray about it. Honestly. Ask God what He wants you to say to these men, if anything. Ask if there is something you are meant to do. Ask for this man's healing, and ask that he'll continue to go back and seek out the Lord.

  • whataboutbahb@xanga

    @NightCometh@xanga - 

    Curious: What's your basis for the conclusion that someone who is living in perpetual sin is "indeed bound for hell"? Do you mean that Christians who live in perpetual sin lose their salvation by living in perpetual sin, or do you mean that someone who can live a life in perpetual sin could never have been an actual christian in the first place? (Or do you mean something different from those two options?)

  • NightCometh@xanga

    @whataboutbahb@xanga - A regenerated heart made alive by Christ won't live in perpetual sin.  

  • whataboutbahb@xanga

    @NightCometh@xanga - Scriptural basis? (Citing Augustine doesn't count.) What about the problem with free will that this creates? (Since the claim really is: once you are a christian than you can no longer live in perpetual sin--the choice is no longer available.)

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