Wednesday, 04 April 2012

  • The More Subtle Miracle of Jesus' Death (Part One)

    Jesus’ manner of life and teaching among people throughout Palestine was absolutely astounding.  The temple officers, charged by the Jewish  rulers with the duty of arresting and bringing Jesus back to the temple courts, instead  returned empty handed. 

    The explanation for failing their assigned task? "No one has ever spoken like that man!"  And so it was throughout Jesus’ ministry.

    However, it is not in the living, but in the dyingthat the true mettle of a person is often understood.  Many a man who appears to have lived well, has fallen apart at the prospect of his own demise.  Longinus,* the Roman Centurion charged with carrying out Jesus’ execution knew this only too well.

    As a seasoned veteran of many campaigns and battles in the Roman army, he had had his fill of suffering and death even in this troublesome province of Palestine.  Anticipating trouble from the Jews during the Passover Feast, Pontius Pilate who was Palestine’s governor, almost always traveled up to Jerusalem from regional headquarters in Ceasarea, escorted by a cohort consisting of 480 soldiers.  Longinus, with four or five other Centurions and their men, comprised this contingent of troops charged with reinforcing the cohort already permanently installed at Jerusalem since its subjugation.

    Though the common people of Palestine rarely saw the top brass of Rome, they became acutely aware of its policy on a daily basis: a policy of pain, suffering and death designed to always keep them in line.  It was the Centurions and their troops -- the ‘gears and cogs’ of Roman strategy who became the all too familiar face of Rome in a conquered land. 

    It was up to Longinus and his Roman comrades to see that everything flowed in a smooth and orderly way -- even the business of torture and death!There could be no slip ups–no mistakes or miscalculations.  It was theywho made the will of Rome happen on the dusty streets and roads of Jerusalem and Judea.  Even the cantankerous, stubborn and ever rebellious people of this god forsaken land had quickly learned not to trifle with the Roman Centurions and their men. They obviously knew their craft well!

    Longinus and his troops were at the palace early in the morning when King Herod had returned to Pilate, a young Jewish Rabbi who had been arrested the previous evening for treason.  Plautius, the Centurion charged with Jesus’ arrest and transport to the various hearings, reported to Longinus the highlights of the previous night’s events before surrendering the Nazarene into his care.  To Plautius, aside from the fact that these series of inquests had occurred in the dead of night and Jesus’ Jewish accusers, mainly members of the religious establishment, had been contentious, tedious and inconsistent; the proceedings were for the most part routine.

    Throughout the night, the capitol charges brought against this man were in constant flux, changing from moment to moment.  Many of them were outlandish and obviously false, based upon violations of many obscure and inane interpretations of the so-called divine law of their god.  Others were of a more serious nature.  In their initial appearance before Pilate, the chief priests and elders charged Jesus of inciting the Palestinians to rebellion and a refusal to pay Rome its taxes.  In addition they asserted that Jesus claimed to be a king in opposition to Caesar.

    Plautius noted Jesus’ complete indifference toward any of the allegations except those dealing with treason and his claim to kingship.  To Plautius’ amazement, the few responses Jesus did offer were equally deliberate and damning: “Yes, I am a king. For this I was born.To this end I came into the world.”  Unlike any others he had ever seen facing the real threat of death,with their sniveling pleas and eager excuses, this man remained cool, calm and obviously confident -- clearly in total control as if he was not only awareof what was to come, but in fact, was arranging its final conclusion as well.

    The one thing that had caught Plautius completely off guard was Jesus’ affirmative response to the oft repeated question; “Are you the Son of God?”  Jesus’ answer had elicited an involuntary gasp from Plautius when at first he had heard it.  Wasn’t he aware that Caesar alonelaid claim to this divine title?!

    Plautius’ parting remarks to Longinus were dark, ominous and ultimately prophetic.  “Mark my words—though this man is by no means a criminal worthy of death, by his own admission to being the Son of God, he has placed his neck in the noose and before the day is done, he will be without the city lifted upon a stake, and you  will be presiding over his execution.  By the gods; Mark these words, my friend;Fare you well.”  And with that, he was gone.

    Longinus returned to the temporary quarters of Pilate where some of his men had already relieved Plautius’ detachment of soldiers guarding the young cleric from Galilee.  Longinus positioned himself at the doorway of the palace so that from its vantage point, he could witness both Pilate’s negotiations on the porch withthe Jewish leaders outside while keeping an eye upon the bound Jesus who was located across the great hall within. 

    He listened intently to the contentious haggling going on without while his trained eye scrutinized the prisoner who stood -- if that is what it could be called -- among the legionnaire’s company of men.  It was obvious to him that along with the rigors of a sleepless night in endless questioning, this rabbi’s sweaty sagging body had been exposed to numerous beatings and other humiliating abuses of varying degrees.  Jesus was barely able to peer out from his severely swollen eyes while the rest of his face and body were extensively marked with cuts, abrasions, bruises and welts.  Longinus instinctively knew this man’s ordeal was far from over.

    *All Roman Centurions obviously had names. I have chosen to use the name 'Longinus', the name traditionally associated with the Centurion at the crucifixion of Jesus. After our Lord's death, he reputedly returned to his home in Capadocia to preach about Jesus and was later beheaded for his faith.

    Have you know anyone who demonstrated strength of character in the face of death?  In what ways was this strength manifested?  To what do you attribute this courage and strength?  Were there any qualities in the Roman soldiers that might be considered admirable?  What ones come to mind?

Comments (16)

  • RobertLeeRE@xanga

             What is your historical evidence that Ceaser alone claimed he was "Son of God?" I am interested in a citation please. Thank-you.

  • Mr_Turniphead@xanga

    @RobertLeeRE@xanga - In all honesty I no longer have my research notes for this short story which was written 2 1/2 years ago.  I did a very brief search and came up with a couple sources of information (one of them--wikepedia on 'son of God'). I include a couple brief quotes which might be of use:


     "Throughout history, emperors have assumed titles that amount to being "a son of god", "a son of a god" or "son of Heaven".[1] Roman Emperor Augustus referred to his relation to the deified adoptive father, Julius Caesar as "son of a god" via the term divi filius which was later also used by Domitian and is distinct from the use of Son of God in the New Testament.[2]"


    http://westpalmbeachchurchofchrist.com/topical/grasping_gospel/savior_son_of_god.html   :


    "The conflict concerning who is Savior and Son of God is described thoroughly by theologian N.T. Wright, 'If Jesus is Messiah, he is of course also Lord, Kyrios. The proper contexts for this term, too, are its Jewish roots on the one hand and its pagan challenge on the other. Taking them the other way round for the moment: the main challenge of the term, I suggest..., was to the lordship of Caesar, which, though certainly 'political' was also profoundly 'religious'. Caesar demanded worship as well as 'secular' obedience; not just taxes, but sacrifices. He was well on the way to becoming the supreme divinity in the Greco-Roman world, maintaining his vast empire not simply by force, though there was of course plenty of that, but by the development of a flourishing religion that seemed to be trumping most others either by absorption or by greater attraction. Caesar.., had provided justice and peace to the whole world. He was therefore to be hailed as Lord, and trusted as Savior. This is the world in which Paul announced that Jesus, the Jewish Messiah, was Savior and Lord....The emperor was the kyrios, the lord of the world, the one who claimed the allegiance and loyalty of subjects throughout his wide empire.”


    Jesus' claim to be the Son of God, the Master and Lord was perceived and rightly so to be in direct and exclusive opposition and conflict to Caesar's claim of lordship and allegiance to all the people of his empire.   


    LAW~~

  • Mr_Turniphead@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - It's more than doubtful that he "was a fine young Christian Marine".  As this example clearly shows, people are obviously not always what they claim for themselves!    LAW~~

  • Captric@xanga

    I am sure he would disagree with you having had a religious education all of his life which included "kill a gook for God". The point is - Christians are NO diffrent from Muslim extremists

  • Composer

    The biblical jesus is a proven Historical myth

  • Mr_Turniphead@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - Yes, no doubt he would disagree with me and of course you are quite correct: "All have sinned and [continue to] fall short of the glory of God."----"There is none righteous not even one."  (Romans 3:)                                                       LAW~~


  • RobertLeeRE@xanga

    @Mr_Turniphead@xanga -Look, I am not trying to nit-pick at your detailed post but from the get go something just didn't sound right to me. Now concerning scripture and the history of scripture we cannot just wing it and I certainly am not accusing you of this. I have no idea of the research you put into this. But there appears something that is not right but I may be wrong and if I am I apologise for that.

     I am confused. How did Augusta Ceasar have those concerned under him whether Roman Centerurian or anyone when Augustas Ceasar died when Jesus was 14 years old? Scripture does not record any of Rome being concerned Jesus was claiming he was the "Son of God." The only ones claiming any concern on that were the Jews.

    Now as far as I can tell there is no historical evidence of this. That Wikipedia article you quoted cites no historical documents and so to me this sounds like an incorrect statement. By my understanding it was only Augustas Ceasar that went around claiming he was the Son of Ceasar and there was always reluctance when he did this for it was coming from his administration. But how do you account for your statement when Augustas Ceasar died when Jesus was 14 years old and Jesus didn't make the statement until a whole 19-20 years later? Also, it seems if this were such a big deal Pontius Pilot certainly would have said something as a question or something.

    God Bless,

    Brother Robert  

  • RobertLeeRE@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - So what, war is hell, and people have breakdowns and deal with the horror in different ways. Are you saying that you are somehow a better person because you watched him without correcting him?

  • RobertLeeRE@xanga

    @Captric@xanga - If they are no different why don't you go live there and tell them your an atheist as they behead you with their holy sword in a holy ceremony like the Christian sacraments! Make sure you tell them how you do not believe in God and how you believe in seperation of church and state while they seperate your head from your body!

  • Composer

    @RobertLeeRE@xanga - 


    Apart from your big-mouth, empty headed BS and preferred Story book propaganda your legitimate evidence to refute me remains a constant zero!


    Next!


  • RobertLeeRE@xanga

    @Composer - You really do not need those tin-foil hats. HaHa.  

  • Composer

    In the final analysis there is no evidence that the biblical character called "Jesus Christ" ever existed. As Nicholas Carter concludes in The Christ Myth: "No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, indeed no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity." (Source: http://www.truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm)


    &


    ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS


    No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.


    Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge.


    Courts of law do not generally allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. Hearsay does not provide good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it.


    http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm


    &


    BTW, the next genuine christian outside of bible Story book land to step up and manifest ALL the promises ' already a given ' to such a person; will be the very first in Man's history!

  • Captric@xanga

    @RobertLeeRE@xanga - watched him without correcting him??!! You have a comic book understanding of the military and war....and my guess is that you also have a comic book understanding of religion and Christianity.

    Jesus and the bible are myths - a fairy tale story designed to give children guidance and "scare them straight". Leave it up to adults to use this fear to make money, start wars, justify killing, motivate killers to bomb abortion clinics, hide pedophiles, etc etc etc., The stories of Jesus were plagiarized from ancient pagan religions. Born of a virgin, son of God, rising from the dead, healing the blind with spit, healing the sick, ALL taken from stories thousands of years old. Why is it that when these stories are applied to Greek Gods and others they are considered myths, but when applied to "Jesus" they are considered proof.
  • Captric@xanga

    @RobertLeeRE@xanga - Ummm --- I actually have lived there and you apparently you have not even BEEN there. Might I suggest that you at least go VISIT there before you make ignorant comments on a religious blog designed to allow the first amendment protect your right to spread hate and divisiveness I am guessing you get your news from Fox and your talking points from Rush..,

    There is no doubt that places like IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN are in general deeply religious. The reason for this is that the people are one step out of the stone age, which is where people like you would have us go also. If you go to KUWAIT, QATAR, or DUBAI or TURKEY you will find all shades of religion and traditional dress. Go to a modern mall there and see the young men and women dressed EXACTLY as they do at a mall here.....with visitors from places like IRAN dressed in black Burkhas from head to toe. Which is is EXACTLY why we cannot allow Christianity to inflence the government in their attempt to create a Theocracy.
  • RobertLeeRE@xanga

    @Captric@xanga -Just as I thought, you were never there. Your a poser and a liar. Nothing you say is believable. You and your tin foil hat brigade have no credibilty on this blog. You say Jesus is a myth yet you attack it like it is a religion. People do not attack myths but they do attack religious beliefs. The very reason you attack the story of Christ proves it is true. If it were a myth you wouldn't care, but keep telling your lies with your tinfoil hat and denying the truth. Eventually God will tire of your wagging tongue.

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