Saturday, 24 March 2012

  • Him or God: I Love Them Both

    [Editor's Note: This author has chosen to share personal details about a current relationship.  Please comment respectfully and lovingly, out of a heart of compassion.]

    I've fallen in love with this guy that I'm not supposed to. I can feel that he is the one for me, but I also feel like God disapproves.

    This wonderful guy is not a Catholic like I am, nor do we share the same outlook in life. He doesn't believe that there is a superior or "right" religion. He doesn't believe in God. His beliefs are philosophical like Taoism. He believes in the levels of enlightenment, while I believe in heaven. While I respect his views and beliefs, I desperately wish that he was Catholic.

     
    He always tells me about his beliefs and why he rejects religions. Then I tell him about God and why He is important to me.

    He always tries to change me into a vegetarian. Though I agree that being a vegetarian would be absolutely beneficial, I just can't seem to give up meat, even if it is for the guy that I love. I respect the fact that he is a vegetarian though.

    But because of our conflicting religious aspect, we always seem to clash when the slight mention of religion comes up. I don't know what to do anymore. I honestly believe that there is no future for us together unless one of us converts -- but we both are too strong-headed to give up our own beliefs. Yet, I can't seem to give him up.

    Sometimes, I just wish he weren't so against my own religion, because it's as important to me as his beliefs are to him. Sometimes, I wish he was born a Catholic. Is that so wrong of me?

    What encouragement and discernment can you give our sister?  Have you ever been in a similar situation?  What would you do in this situation?

Comments (38)

  • ToastersNMilkshakes@xanga

    It sounds like you have your answer already. "I honestly believe that there is no future for us together unless one of us converts -- but we both are too strong-headed to give up our own beliefs." If he is against your beliefs, as you said he is, then how can he be for you? He certainly can't be with you in direction, values, and goals. If your relationship with God is your foundation for life and he isn't on that same foundation then you're going to have a lot of difficulty building a home on those different foundations. And if that home gets built, it's going to be incredibly fragile when the storms come (and they will surely come).

    It makes sense that you wish this guy you have affections for shared your foundation of faith and discipleship. That's necessary for a healthy relationship. As an encouragement I'd say that nobody is born Christian (even if they are born "Catholic"). We all are brought into it by a partnership with God through time.I'm not saying to stay in the relationship in the hope that he will change because initiating a relationship with those sorts of hopes is always unhealthy (even when the issue isn't religion). True love doesn't start a relationship with selfish motives of turning the other person into who we desire them to be but rather it moves into a relationship accepting who the person is knowing they may change in unpredictable ways, even negative ways. Just as we move into a relationship with God in which we claim "You are the one and only!" so also we determine who "the one" for us is romantically by decisions, by step by step partnering. It sounds like the two of you can't accomplish some of those key steps because you aren't partnering in foundation. It sounds like you know that too. 

    Feelings are great, but they can't always lead us into wisdom or healthy lifestyles. They can often deceive us and if we allow them to be our navigator above all else, they will certainly lead us into destructive places at times. It would be good to seek counsel from your Catholic community on this and submit to them as you would to Christ as they lead you with the wisdom they have gained through the years. Peace be with you sister, and may you be given the courage to make the right decisions and see them through.

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    May I just say to you, as someone who is quite a bit older than you are, that there's a big red flag here that I see, even independent of the faith issue? 


    You said, "He always tries to change me into a vegetarian," and, "we always seem to clash when the slight mention of religion comes up."
    That's your answer. If he is trying to change you and cannot handle the fact that the two of you don't agree on things, the relationship has deal-breaking problems, even without the specific faith disagreement. If he doesn't respect things like your eating preferences now, it will only get worse as time goes on.
    You seem like a lovely person who wants to honor God. You deserve, and God wants you to have, a man who will love and respect you the way you are, as well as sharing your love for Jesus. As Christians in relationships, we're meant to help each other grow closer to God. If we're not able to do that in a relationship because the other person is not on the same page spiritually, we can know with 100% certainty, that person is not the one for us, even if our feelings tell us otherwise. The Bible tells us that our hearts are deceptive. If they tell us to pursue a relationship with someone who tries to pull us away from our faith, we have the hard job of denying ourselves what we want.
    I will pray for God to give you wisdom and the strength to break things off with this person so that God can give you the respectful, supportive, god-fearing man He's designed for you. 
  • Livia_is_Strudles@xanga

    Hey there. Let me tell you a quick story, which hopefully will help you in this situation. I definitely feel for you and have been in a similar situation myself. Almost two years ago I fell in love with a guy who was basically atheist (he believed in a higher power, but didn't know or care if it was the Christian God). I'm a devout Christian and my relationship with Jesus is the most important part of my life, but I was also head over heels in love with this guy and really wanted to be with him.

    We connected so well and I totally felt (and still feel) that he was my soulmate. But I knew that I would not be able to have the kind of Christ-centered relationship with him that I want and need, and I, like you, felt that God did not approve of our relationship. So... I refused to let us officially date, which was so hard to do, especially because there were no issues on his end to prevent us from dating. God was so faithful to me in this situation, and He made it so that I actually never saw this guy again, which was of course super painful but also the only way I could get over him, since it would never have worked between us.

    I still love and miss him, but I know that we had no future together and that I would have risked damaging my relationship with God had I tried to date him. My advice to you, therefore, is that if you don't see a spiritually healthy future for your relationship and if you feel that God disapproves, then you need to end it, as difficult and painful as it may be. God will be there for you and give you the strength you need to do the right thing. I will be praying for you!!  

  • Luv_is_infinite@xanga

    @Livia_is_Strudles@xanga - @Pickwick12@xanga - @ToastersNMilkshakes@xanga - Thank you all, for being so kind and caring. And thank you for keeping me in your prayers. I will definitely try to be strong in breaking it off :)

    Take care ~
  • Pickwick12@xanga

    @Luv_is_infinite@xanga - You're welcome, and if you ever want to chat, feel free to hop over to my site or send me a message <3

  • Luv_is_infinite@xanga

    @Pickwick12@xanga - Oh, thank you for your generous gesture! I will be sure to reach to you for consolation if ever needed!

  • jkshana

    If you're writing this post, it sounds like you're already conflicted about it. I think what you need to ask yourself, is, "could I do something contrary to my Christian values?"

    Some people can. For me, I can't. My personal happiness depends, in part, on me living in accordance with my values. This is a totally personal thing, though; everyone's different.I do believe that God would want you to be with someone totally loving and in accordance to your values. God is a consistent being. He doesn't have inconsistency in Himself, and I don't think He'd want you to have inconsistency in your heart, either. People don't live well with inconsistencies. We like to feel authentic and at peace with ourselves and our lives.Plus, I agree with what others are saying. If this man is already discussing vegetarianism in a controlling fashion, what else will he control? If he does not always respect your religion--(and not being able to discuss it IS disrespectful)--what else won't he respect entirely?Just some food for thought. Feel free to reach out for prayers or chat. Grace, peace & best wishes.
  • Livia_is_Strudles@xanga

    @Luv_is_infinite@xanga - You're very welcome, and the same goes for me: if you ever need more encouragement or just want to talk, feel free to message me.

  • Got_Claws@xanga

     I was a toaist before I became a Christian. "He always tries to change me into a vegetarian,"Stay firm to your faith. I think you should show a good example by action and keep praying for him. 

  • AJGamer@xanga

    I spent two years of my life in a relationship with someone with different religious views than mine. Even though we were very respectful of each other's beliefs, we learned after a while that it wasn't ideal for a couple to feel like they couldn't connect on a spiritual level and that we had to censor ourselves when it came to discussing our spiritual lives and beliefs. A couple should feel open to share everything about themselves, and although that doesn't mean that you need to agree on absolutely everything, you need at least enough common ground for the conversation to be able to happen.

    Also, waiting for someone to change dramatically (thinking one of you needs to convert for it to work out) will likely only continue to be a source of stress and tension. There is nothing wrong with wanting someone to change, especially when it involves coming to know Christ, but I think being in a romantic relationship makes that change and those conversations so much harder because both people are worried about saying the wrong things and there are so many emotions wrapped up in the relationship already.


    Finally, if you feel that God disapproves from the very start, that's a huge red flag. If you feel like your relationship with your significant other and your relationship with God aren't mutually supportive, but you need to choose one or the other, you will never be able to be completely happy with either relationship.
  • Ancient_Scribe@xanga

    @Luv_is_infinite@xanga - Thank you for pouring out your heart like this; I know how difficult it is. My one girlfriend ever (obviously before I began studying for the priesthood) wasn't Catholic either, and both my mother and my grandmother were converts themselves to Catholicism. If ever you'd like to talk about things, please always feel free to message me. In the meantime I will be praying for you. God bless you, and always let your love for God guide your heart; He will never disappoint you.

  • BillSamuel

    I don't look at these things legalistically, so I wouldn't say the difference in beliefs would always mean you should break up. But it is a big caution to consider. However, from what you say, there's even more to it. It sounds like he not only doesn't share your beliefs, but perhaps he is not even respectful of them. A good relationship requires mutual respect. And furthermore, it sounds like he attempts to be controlling, which is a huge red flag. This is what it sounds like to me. Whether this actually captures the relationship I obviously can not tell from a brief post by one of the parties.

    Do pray about it, and try your best to do with your mind and heart opened up to what God has to say. And if there are those around you who are sympathetic with your faith and can be open-minded in helping you hear God in this situation, I would encourage you to get together with them for the purpose of praying together about it and hearing their questions and reflections. In Quaker terminology, this is called a clearness process, and can be very helpful with the right persons and done in the right spirit. Their function would not be to tell you what you need to do, but to help you discern God's will in the situation. There can be a very delicate balance here, but it could really help you get beyond your own feelings to look at it from God's perspective.

  • Digital_Angel21@xanga

    It sounds like he has the issue with you being religious more than you have an issue with his atheism? Interfaith relationships only work if each respect each other's beliefs and agree they are okay going their separate ways in this aspect of life. It will probably never be with someone who is the same faith as me. I would be amazing to be with someone who shares my love of the Earth and the goddess, but my faith is a very personal thing, and as long as my SO does not try to convert me (which I fear might happen with a devout individual of a monotheistic religion), it's all good. 

    Don't be with someone who is trying to change you to fit his beliefs, whether it is religious or dietary. And don't try to change someone into a Catholic who is already committed to their belief system. If meeting eye-to-eye on religion is important to you, then you need to seek someone who you can have that. 

  • BillSamuel

    A couple more thoughts.

    1. You say it would be beneficial to be a vegetarian, but you just can't do it. If this is about more than pleasing this guy, it's possible the purpose for him coming into your life isn't romantic but to help you think more deeply about your diet. Don't do it for him, but if it is the right thing to do, you should take steps toward a vegetarian diet because it is right. This indeed may be very difficult (I don't have actual experience in making the change since I am a lifelong vegetarian, but I can understand it being very difficult), but if it is part of being faithful Christ will help you along the way. Check out the Christian Vegetarian Association at christianveg.com.

    2. I hope you aren't sleeping with this guy, but if you are the first thing to do is to stop. Sex is too powerful to engage in with someone other than a lifetime partner. Don't work too hard to persuade him to accept that change. If he is not interested in you without sex, just say goodbye and thank God for getting out of the relationship. If he is not willing to respect you on that, good riddance.

  • MsButterworth311@xanga

    If you are a devout Catholic, it is VERY hard to be with someone who isn't. I'm not saying impossible... but definitely difficult. I became very devout while dating my now-fiance, and I am so lucky that he got interested and is converting (in 2 weeks, 1 week before our wedding). It was totally his decision; my requirement when we got serious was that any future kids had to be Catholic and he had to be supportive. I didn't even require that he came to church with me, though I know it would have been very hard for me to not be able to share that part of my life with him. So I guess what I'm saying is that I got lucky, but I would probably encourage my kids to date only Catholics. There is nothing wrong with people with other Christian beliefs, and even non Christian beliefs, but for someone who follows ALL of the teachings of the church, it can create a lot of conflict in a relationship. I do think you already know what is best for you, but I'm thinking about you! 

  • bittentothequick@xanga

    @Got_Claws@xanga - How in the world did you go from Taoism to Christianity? You had it right, and you wanted to start believing in an imaginary friend?

    Really?

  • Boy_Jester@xanga

    I apologize if someone has already said this, I didn't read all the comments.

    I truly believe you have your answer in your very first paragraph.  If you know God disapproves, do you think he's really the one for you?  I honestly believe that God has a plan for everyone's romantic future.  Some He may decide they will never have a significant other, but the ones that do, He has someone particular in mind for.  You know God disapproves of your boyfriend, which means God probably has somebody far greater planned for you. 

    We don't have the power to over-throw His power, but He WILL let us make the wrong choices that could seriously change or ruin a wonderful future He might have stored for you.  Don't let your relationships be your bad choices.

  • ZombieMom_Speaks@xanga

    Interfaith relationships can definitely work, so can a relationship in which one person has faith and the other is an atheist. That's what I have; I'm Pagan and my husband is an atheist and we don't have any religious issues whatsoever.

    In your case, however, I have serious concerns and doubt that this will end well for you. As much as you love him, you see (which is excellent, so many people shrug off warning signs) that he is actively attempting to control and change you. This is an extremely serious issue and a strong indicator that he doesn't have your best interests at heart and doesn't respect who you are as an individual. Rest assured that eventually he will insist that you change your religious beliefs and since they really mean something to you, you will be faced with an even tougher choice than you are now. Generally I don't advise people to throw away a good relationship over faith differences, but there is far more than that going on here. This relationship is going to not only challenge what you believe (which would be fine, since you are obviously spiritually centered and secure), it could potentially hurt you in ways that have nothing to do with religion.

  • dustysojourner@xanga

    There may be a reason why you feel like God disapproves of him: "Do not be

    bound together withunbelievers; for whatpartnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14). You may have this feeling because it is not God's will for us to be with unbelievers because it is not good or beneficial for you.


    I think the tough question to ask is why you believe "the one for you" is someone you likewise believe God disapproves of? 
     
  • BehindTheSeens@xanga

    I'M IN THE SAME SITUATION!!! Well almost... I'm a born and raised practicing Catholic and he's a non practicing Methodist, who's very philosophical and into Buddhism.  I too feel like I am supposed to be with him, BUT he drives me absolutely insane because of our drastic differences (in more ways than just faith) and yes sometimes I wish he were Catholic too, but at the same time, I'm not too worried about it. 

    However, here's the big difference, when I pray about it, I sometimes feel like God wants me to be with him too, and most times, that's the only thing keeping me with him (because he drives me crazy, oh Lord give me strength).  Several other things that encourage me to stay with him are even though we have deep contrasting faith... we peacefully talk about religion ALL THE TIME!!!  Because it's so important to both of us and because it IS a big aspect of life we differ on, we are always trying to better understand it.  If you can't do that.  In my opinion... there is no reason to continue because there will just be an elephant in the corner of the room.  Another reason I'm encouraged to be with him is because we have such similar morals and values for the most part, and the same vision for the future.  This is extremely important because it will help determine how the rest of our lives will be lived out.  The only "ultimatum" I had to give him was that if we got married, it would have to be in a Catholic Church, and that my kids would have to be raised Catholic as well.  There is NO flexibility with those 2 things.  I would rather not marry a guy than raise my children without a Catholic faith.  He (however not too thrilled about it) whole heartedly agreed with me for the sake of love I guess?

    My suggestion to you?  If you have a very direct "MUST COMPLY WITH" like what I said for my future children, stick with it!!  I am fine with my boyfriend never converting even after we get married (that is something you must be fine with too).  Sure it would make things easier, but when did God intend to make everything easy for us?  Besides, as marriage, the wife sanctifies her husband, just as the husband sanctifies his wife.  The only real issue, is your future children, and the morals and values you plan on living out together, and giving them.

    Another suggestion for my own experience?  Know your faith.  Know it very well, read up on it, I can even offer you books I read.  This is very important so that you are able to properly defend and explain your religion and WHY you follow certain teachings of the Church.  Simply by explaining the Church, the Pope, Mother Mary, the Saints... etc to my boyfriend, he's gained a better respect for the Catholic Church when 2 years ago he used to be strictly ANTI-CATHOLIC.  And of course pray, for the gift of understanding for the both of you.  Good luck!!

  • BehindTheSeens@xanga

    @MsButterworth311@xanga - I hope my relationship pans out as well as yours!!!!

  • just_let_me_scream@xanga

    its not going to work out. sorry if that was blunt, but let me tell you a little personal expierence.... EVERYTIME i find a guy that i think is "the one" that i am just head over heels in love with, i start to think long term, would they be a good husband, would we have a strong relationship built around God? or as my mother always likes to put it"are we equally yoked?" ive only felt this way about 2 guys really that had tottally opposite views, one of the guys just gave up on God because of a tramatic childhood, the other guy said he wanted to have that kind of relationship but never showed any effort(wouldnt want to pray with me or read our bibles or go to church and he didnt like it too much when i would flip on the christian radio station in the car.) anyways i thought if i could just change how they see God then it will all be ok and we would live happily ever after, but the truth is they arent going to change for anyone but themselfs, they will turn to God when they are ready not by me "pressuring" them. which i dont see it as pressuring i just want them to know the Amazing God that i know i want them to feel the love that i feel, i want them to stop walking around life in the dark. 


    well those relationships feel apart because we were not "equally yoked" it was very hard for me to let go the first time because i thought so sure this was the man God made for me i have to make this work, but after awhile i realized i had shut God out because He was yelling "RUN FAR AWAY NOW THIS ISNT THE ONE I HAVE FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I didnt want to accept that, but because i didnt my life became very hard, i was homeless and had to drop out of college, i spent over a year looking for a job and finally when i realized where i went wrong i asked for forgiveness and got back on the right path :)  the second time i thought i met mr. right, i was all kinds of wrong, though he was a christian. but he saw being a christian as a get out of hell free card. but i fell for him when i found out he had a baby, i thought "omg this is the perfect oppertunity to have a little "family" that i will probably never get another chance at" WRONG i ended up tearing that family apart more than it was and i was pretty much just a ticking time bomb that hurt alot of people. 
    what im getting at is if God disapproves, then HE IS NOT THE ONE FOR YOU, i do believe God has created someone for everyone and it may take time and patience but just wait....the right one will come along, and you wont have any doubts at all
  • blonde_vampire@xanga

    Perhaps you may consider my experience as a good "the other side" point of view.


    For a year I was in a serious relationship with a (non-denominational) Christian and I am an Atheist, your description of your boyfriend reminds me a lot of me while your description of yourself reminds me a lot of the guy I was with. We cared a lot for each other but as time went on our differing beliefs became more and more evident as we realized just how much our beliefs effected our life styles. We tried to work things out for way longer than we should have- he realized that he couldn't be with someone who didn't share his deepest beliefs and I tried to no avail to get something out of going to church and trying to read up on Christianity. Eventually we went through a rough break up and things still aren't great when we run into each other, but nobody said dating was easy. 
    Luckily for all of us there are plenty of fish in the sea. It is apparent that you have a lot of feelings for your guy, but only through having various experiences will you be able to understand what is truly important to you in a partner. Do you want someone who accepts you for your differences or someone who empathizes and you can actually share such intimate things with? The answer is probably not the same for everybody, but is a key question you should be asking yourself. In my case, I was happy to just be accepted but I grew to feel a lot of guilt for not being able to genuinely relate to my guy in the way he had hoped for, turns out he didn't want to be accepted but actually understood. An intimate relationship should not have great amounts of guilt or alienation floating about, and I believe that goes for all relationships both Christian and non.
    Good luck! 
  • Hatviller@xanga

    If your beliefs are really the most important thing to you, and this man doesn't share them, you'll never be happy if you marry him. If you stay true to your beliefs and go through the pain of losing him, you will be happy again someday. Once the newness and excitement and "I can't have him but I sure want him" wears off and you're married, it becomes all too clear what was more important than the romantic feelings: and that's the meeting and oneness of the soul.
    Save yourself real grief. Find someone who shares your beliefs and values. Life and marriage are hard enough as it is, even when you do share core values.

  • xsimplepleasuresx@xanga

    I have been in both situations, as both the believer and a non-believer.  For your relationship to succeed, you both need to respect and understand each other's beliefs.  In your case, it sounds like neither of you completely respect/understand each other.  Part of being in a relationship is accepting a person for who they are and who they may become.  However, it is natural for couples to want to share their interests with each other.  You two should be able to discuss your beliefs openly without having to feel threatened.  No relationship is perfect, but if you truly love each other, you can find a way to make it work.

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