Wednesday, 11 January 2012

  • Deception: A Sign of the Times

    By Joseph Lule

    Matthew 24:1-5 "And going out, Jesus left the temple. And His disciples came to show Him the buildings of the temple. But Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, There will not at all be left one stone on a stone which in no way will not be thrown down. And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be? And, What is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age? And answering, Jesus said to them, See that not any leads you astray. For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ. And they will cause many to be led astray."

    Please take note that the disciples showed Jesus the magnificent Temple and its structures, but the Lord broke their hearts by telling them “There will not at all be left one stone on a stone which in no way will not be thrown down.” And as He was sitting down on the Mount of Olives, His disciples came to Him privately and not openly with the masses asking Him, “Tell us, when will these things be? And, What is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?” They asked when these things will be and what was the sign of His coming and end of age; kindly take note that the Holy Spirit quickened their hearts to ask the Lord the question as they saw that He was talking about His return and the end of age.

    Deception: A Sign of the Times

    “And answering, Jesus said to them, See that not any leads you astray. For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ. And they will cause many to be led astray.”

    This answer was directed to His disciples: see that not any leads you astray. This warning was given to the disciples. It was directed to Peter, John and the rest of the gang and also to those who would believe the message of the Lord. This warning was not directed at the world but at the shepherds, the Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Teachers and the rest of the Church.

    Jesus foresaw that, before His coming, they would be great deception that would be spread all over the Church that would even target the Pastors. The warning stated that, “For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ. And they will cause many to be led astray.”

    What did the Lord mean by saying for many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ? Oh that you may see many prophets would come in the name of Christ and would deceive many the Person of Christ. Basically what Jesus was saying was that, not only would people say they are Christ, but also some would deceive many by preaching another gospel, another Christ that was not the person of Christ and the Lord said that they would cause many to be led astray.

    Who is the Person Christ?

    In Revelation as Jesus addresses the Church He says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, the One who is, and who was, and who is coming, the Almighty…. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last” “These things says the Son of God, the One having His eyes as a flame of fire, and His feet like burnished brass” “These things says the Holy One, the True One, the One having “the key of David,” “the One opening, and no one shuts; and shuts, and no one opens:” “These things says the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Head of the creation of God” “These things says the One having the seven spirits of God, and the seven stars.”

    Oh that you may see He is Holy, Holy and Holy. For Paul says His desire that He might present the Church to Himself as the glorious assembly, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such things, but that it be holy and without blemish.

    This is what the Lord said: that many will be lead astray by a gospel that does not preach the real person of Christ. The Lord was saying to His disciples, "Please guard your heart from people who will preach another Jesus that is not the person of Christ." Yes He said many will be lead astray by this gospel, for it was revealed to Peter in 1Peter 1:15 -- "But according to the Holy One who has called you, you also become holy in all conduct; because it has been written, 'Be holy,' 'because I am holy.'"

    Yes we are living those times that Paul called perilous times, where a lot of people who know the Lord have a form of godliness but lacks power. It is those times where people have been peddled another gospel that does ask people to depart from their sins but encourages them to pursue a good life without living holy. It is a gospel that lacks the Holy Spirit as it cannot change people. It is all a lie as we all know we are supposed to be presented before the Father having no spot, wrinkle or any such thing. In this gospel the Word is not used to rebuke sin but used to encourage people to seek after their own desires.

    Those in authority are afraid to rebuke sin as many will flee from their churches and their desire is to have a big multitude of people in their church even though they know that those who live in the flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

    This gospel is what the Lord Jesus warned us to be careful about, for no one will see the Lord without holiness. It is gospel that allows people to say a sinner’s forgiveness prayer and with a magical wand they are told that they are already accepted in the Kingdom of God without seeking to change their evil ways.

    It is a gospel that allows people to live their former lives without repentance with having in mind what may have to called as an insurance cover that will not allow one to go to hell. This gospel is deceptive and a lot of people are buying into it.

    Paul says flee from this as this will not lead anyone into the Kingdom of God and yes as our Lord said “they will cause many to be led astray.”

    We are living truly in end of the age.

    What do you think about deception in the Christian church?  Do you think there is a deceptive gospel that is being preached in Christianity?  Do you think this is a sign of the times, or is this something that has been going on since the gospel was written?

Comments (8)

  • angys_coco@xanga

    I find the Catholic church being deceptive, since it is controlled by Cardinals and Pope, who live absolutely different lives to Jesus. 

  • sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga

    The Church has battled against heresies from the very beginning. We see this in Saint Paul's letters clearly. Also, during the 4th century, the heresy of Arianism swept through the Church and Arians  became more numerous than orthodox Christians for a while.

  • sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga

    @angys_coco@xanga - Catholicism is defined by the Gospel of Jesus Christ not by the lifestyles of the clergy. During the last century mankind has been blessed with fantastic popes. Before you judge them, read their work. 

    Encyclicals by Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II are incredible for their wisdom and sage teachings. Pope Benedict XVI is responsible for the promulgation of the newest edition of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

    It is an amazing work because it explains the salvation history and message of God from A to Z. Even if you happen to be a Protestant who believes in different sets of dogma, the works of these popes are intellectual and theological masterpieces.

    Anyone who is interested in learning the true teachings of Catholicism can always turn to the Pope for excellent instruction.

  • angys_coco@xanga

    @sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga -  I totally disagree with that. I have never found any of the work by the Previous Popes to be exception. And how can you say that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not defined by the lifesyle of the clergy. Their lifestyle has to reflect what Jesus lived. Not going on Pope mobile vehicles etc... Jesus did not live like that. If they cannot then they should not be Popes. And what about all the sexual attacks on children. Here in Canada a Cardinal was sentenced and now he is being released. It is a shame. 


    In my books none of the Popes you mentioned ever lived a true Christian way. They are worse than the Evangelics who live in high status on people's money. 
    Don't get me wrong. I am showing my opinion. 
  • sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga

    @angys_coco@xanga - What documents from the popes have you ever read? Have you read the Catechism? Have you read Faith and Reason, by Pope John Paul II.

    Have you read Lumin Gentium by Pope Paul VI which tells the world what the Church actually is in the most loving way?

    According to the Gospel, Jesus wasn't interested in people's lifestyles. I have no problem with the Pope's lifestyle. He's living off money that was earned and donated back in the Middle Ages, so who cares?

    Catholic clergy live all sorts of lifestyles. Some are very poor like the Franciscans. Others are middle class and own property like diocesan priests.  Still others live communal lives in monasteries.

    It's very judgmental to demand that people live according to your personal standards. The Pope doesn't poke his nose in my business. I don't poke my nose in his.

  • god_stories@xanga

    How do you define Holy?  I notice there is a lot of modern baggage associated with the word (which comes from middle English and German...based on my understanding the best modern synonym for Holy is 'authentic')...and so it can be confusing to use that word without some discussion of what you mean.


    As I read your post there also seems to be some presumption about outcomes of living a sinful life.  As I interpret the Bible Sin leads to one outcome (death) and unbelief leads to yet another outcome...and your discussion seems a bit spongy regarding outcomes.
    The reason for my comment is I find when communicating with a broad audience presumptions about certain word use and outcomes can lead to misunderstanding.
    Honestly it seems misunderstanding of terms and presumptions is at root to lots of disagreements...particularly between main stream denominations and the so-called emergent church.
  • god_stories@xanga
    "In this gospel the Word is not used to rebuke sin but used to encourage people to seek after their own desires.

    Those in authority are afraid to rebuke sin as many will flee from their churches and their desire is to have a big multitude of people in their church even though they know that those who live in the flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God."

    Further its difficult to interpret what you mean specifically about desire, sin, flesh, kingdom of God (even perhaps heaven and hell, which I wonder if you're alluding to as well).  I can interpret what you might be saying in what I've quoted above as its wrong to pursue one's own desires.  That sentiment is actually more aligned with Buddhist thought (denouncing desires) than what can be found expressed in the Bible (ps 37:4 '...He will give you the desires of your heart.'

    Additionally what's the outcome of sin...according Rom 6:23 its merely death.  What's the outcome of not showing love to others...according to the very last words of Matthew in his Gospel (matt 25:31-46) its hellfire!  So it seems preaching love is totally more important than sin, but that's not clear from what you write.

    Finally its confusing what you mean by flesh and kingdom of God.  We are, everyone of us, encased in flesh and I interpret the Bible's use of the word flesh to mean indulgent distracting slothful (spiritual apathy or inactivity) addictions and behaviors.  I can interpret from your words to mean something different...perhaps even to make a choice to pursue one's self-directed desires.  And the way you use Kingdom of God, it seems you suggest that its the outcome of God's judgement, ie actual heaven, the place available after one dies.  Its confusing, but perhaps you mean it aligned as a descriptor the same as Jesus does, which seems to refer to revelation of the good news of heaven on earth (even within each one of us), casting out demons, physical healing, forgiveness, generosity, guilelessness (as little children), hope for those poor in spirit, filled with the Holy Spirit, and a mystery.

    Thanks for reading my thoughts...and would enjoy any response or conversation you'd care to join.

  • god_stories@xanga

    @Joseph Lule@facebook - Rom 14:23 “…..whatever 

    is 

    not of faith is sin.” 


    Thanks for reminding me of that verse, I love that...and have come to recognize the truth of it.  Also appreciate the other verses you offer too.  The context of that verse seems to me to talk about breaking the rules of organized belief systems or religions.  And seems the message is about living in freedom within a context of peaceful relationships (even reading from vs 14:18).
    Rom 14:22 "The faith which thou hast, have thou to thyself before God. Happy is he that judgeth not himself in that which he approveth."  If I'm happier not to judge myself and my behavior choices...and I'm encouraged to be happy, then how is there hope for me to walk in freedom from sin?  Oddly, there seems an invitation in this part of Romans to consider not judging and fighting sin, ie breaking the law or rules.  So how is there hope for humanity then...since sinning can damage relationships, including our relationship with God?  It seems Paul is saying sin is totally damaging, but consider looking at the concept of sin from a different perspective, ie freedom from sinful behavior through faith (and I get there's lots of baggage about this concept, but ask you suspend your initial response until you read a bit further).
    And so back to the importance of defining the word 'Holy.'  If Holy is defined as authentic meaning whole, integrated, boundaried, independent/separated for a sacred purpose than where I focus my attention might be in one way.  If its less clear and can be interpreted to mean be a good boy or girl by following all the rules then it totally makes sense for me to focus my attention on transforming my behavior to follow the rules...a totally different approach than if Holy means the former.
    If Holy means the first definition, then the way to Holiness is focusing on knowing myself and God more intimately...and trusting that truth to lead to freedom (from sin and to reveal more of who I truly am...true self...to the world).  How do I seek this kind of Holiness?  I believe the spiritual disciplines are a great way to start (silence, fasting, reading the Bible, joining a trusted circle, etc), feeling my own feelings without judgement and recognize them to be sign posts, join or establish trusted community (a place where each member is loved and honored without advice or teaching or manipulation), and taking risks following God's leading and the desires of one's heart.  My experience is that faith is built on that kind of journey along with a deep and abiding relationship with the living God.  And outcomes include a deeper more authentic love for myself and my Holy Father, behavioral transformation, and a meaningful compassion for others.

    On the other hand if Holy means being without sin, then what you're proposing for church leadership totally makes sense.  And my experience of this approach (as I've lived for seasons of my life in communities with this understanding) is fragile relationships (based on established roles/expectations), an unhelpful focus on outcomes, and confusion over relational boundaries.
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