Thursday, 15 December 2011

  • What's Wrong With Happy Holidays?

    I go to a Catholic High School in Canada. Recently, to celebrate the upcoming holidays, my council, Diversity and Equity Council, decided to run an event where we play music from various holidays (Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, etc.) over the P.A. system. Along with this, we created a banner with a Christmas tree, dreidel, and a kinara with the words 'Happy Holidays'.

    We've received many complaints about this event, saying how we are in a Catholic school and should be playing Christmas music only. Today, our banner was taken down because a parent complained that it said Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas and threatened to file complaint to the school board. 

    Yes, I realize that we're in Catholic school community. But once you step outside the building, we are living in a multicultural country. There are people out there that don't celebrate Christmas. Better yet, there are people in the school that aren't Catholic. Since the school admits those who aren't Catholic, why can't they accept that there are holidays during this time of the year that isn't Christmas? When we're playing music from other holidays, we're simply trying to tell the students (many of which have been going to Catholic schools all their life) that there are other holidays out there. And being a part of a multicultural country, I think we have the responsibility to accept and respect these other holidays. 
    What are your views on this? What do you think our council should do now? 

Comments (21)

  • craigwbooth@xanga

    Your religious school ought to have the freedom to either celebrate or not celebrate whatever special days and events they see as appropriate and as God-honoring. 


    I suppose some day it is possible we might see mosques displaying dreidels and nativity scenes and posting a Happy Holidays banner, or some day a synagogue doing the same, but it should be kept in mind that these religious institutions do not ordinarily expect or demand universalist holiday displays from Christian institutions.  Offense by omission is simply not an issue here.


  • bass_chick57@lovelyish

    I think it's cool that your school wanted to take a more universal approach, despite being Catholic. You brought up a good point-- even though your school is Catholic, the community around you, and even some of the students aren't. And while your school is Catholic, as an educational facility acknowledging that there are holidays besides Christmas at this point in the year is definitely a worthwhile thing, as it allows students to explore new things and open their minds. It's hard because private schools are pretty much (though most won't admit it) run by parents-- if one parent gets up in arms over something, typically private schools will bend over backwards to accommodate, which may not actually be beneficial to the students. It might be worth opening up an open dialogue session about the variety of holidays and make it an event that families can attend as a whole and potentially gain a new perspective.

  • hectoramemnon@xanga

    It is the purpose of school to impart values along with providing the opportunity to receive and education.

    Catholic school, Catholic values.

    Where do you get the authority to impose your own version of multicultural diversity on the entire student body of a well established religious school?

    You are engaging in the very activity you are complaining about.

  • LadyGwenivere@xanga

    The schools in my town have avoided this by having signs that say "Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays", (the public, Christian and Catholic schools all decided to have the same banners).
    Honestly I do not know what in the heck people are getting so worked up about. No one "owns" Christmas. If you chose not to celebrate, fine.. but don't get all ticked off when someone wishes you a Merry Christmas. Likewise, people who do celebrate should not get all riled up when wished Happy Holidays.  Isn't it better then being told off?
    So much energy wasted over nonsense,

  • kennydc@xanga

    There are a few things wrong with happy holidays, every year more and more people become materialistic. another thing is that Christmas is one of the most wasteful days of the year. just think about it all the Christmas presents that get wrapped just to be torn and thrown away.

  • kennydc@xanga

    @hectoramemnon@xanga - the parents are suppose to teach their own kids about moral values and the values of life that the parents believe in. its not the schools responsibility its the family's.

  • hectoramemnon@xanga

    @kennydc@xanga - Education by nature imparts values. Schools, whether the parents like it or not, impart values.

  • kennydc@xanga

    @hectoramemnon@xanga - i understand that but schools are not required to the only reason i said wut i did was because you said they are suppose too

  • Resurrectionem@xanga

    What's wrong with "Merry Christmas?"

  • Winged_Paladin@xanga

    Christmas celebrates (or should celebrate) the birth of the savior of the world. Hanukah does not and does not recognize Christ as Christians do and the Jewish faith rejects Jesus as the Messiah which is completely contrary to the core beliefs of Christianity. Kwanzaa has nothing to do with the birth of the savior either, it's a way to "give Blacks an alternative to the existing holiday and give Blacks an opportunity to celebrate themselves and history, rather than simply imitate the practice of the dominant society" 


    So those holidays, especially Hanukah, are in competition to and in opposition to the celebration of the birth of our savior. That's a pretty good reason not to celebrate them in a Christian school.
  • lifeonacitybusem4@xanga

    I think what you guys did was great.  I'll never understand why people are anti "happy holidays".  You are not enforcing other religions or celebrations onto them, you were just trying to give different traditions some recognition. 


    @Resurrectionem@xanga - Nothing is wrong with it, it is just incomplete.
  • swallowedthewhale@xanga

    I prefer Happy Holidays, and not only because I'm Jewish, but because that covers New Year's, too. 


    If your school council decided t o go this route, I think you should stick to it. It's not like you are completely ignoring Christmas. 
  • traveler

    @bass_chick57@lovelyish - As a Catholic (formerly Baptist), I teach in an Episcopal school and have learned - very quickly - that parents run the school no matter what we try to do for their children.

  • greene_lily@xanga

    @Winged_Paladin@xanga -  have you considered that the savior wasn't born in dec? some people celebrate christmas as a family holiday and not a religious one.

  • greene_lily@xanga

    I think that it's great that your school was trying to educate the student body and include other religions. That doesn't mean everyone has to agree with the other religions or that the school was trying to convert anyone. The world is made of many differing beliefs. In my opinion it would make for a more rounded out education to have at least a basic understanding of what other's believe. You can appreciate the beauty of another culture without wanting to be a part of it. 

  • Winged_Paladin@xanga

    @greene_lily@xanga - I am aware that Jesus was most likely not born around the time that we have designated as a society to celebrate his birth. The day is arbitrary, the holiday is not. Again, it's a private Catholic school, not a public one.

  • greene_lily@xanga

    @Winged_Paladin@xanga - i guess they can celebrate whatever they want. :)

  • xXAuricWingsXx@xanga

    I think it's wonderful that your school had planned on doing the happy holiday event playing music from various holidays. It's important that as people grow up, people learn to be more open and accepting about things that are different from their own. 


    Otherwise they will repeat what the adults are doing now. Which is they see a change they don't like, because it's different from theirs, and then end up forcing that situation away. The world doesn't stay the same, it's always changing and so are people so it's important to be flexible. Maybe some of the catholic people were fearful of having something different.
    And that's okay, but you have to be able to go with the flow of the world. You can be catholic and listen to other music and talk to other people. Otherwise your cutting yourself off from the world, and that's even worse. God made this world to share it with everyone, so why be stingy on a holiday?
  • Mangonese@xanga

    I applaud you and support your actions.

  • ccccourage@xanga

    I think what your council did was fine, and what the parent did was fine. Discussion and communication on this subject is a good thing.

    It's fine with me that people greet me in whatever manner they are comfortable with, or not at all.

    Sometimes I do find it comical, but sometimes disturbing if people who know nothing about my faith, or another minority faith in a particular culture, go out of their way to be inclusive. I've seen people with no backround or knowledge of Kwanza trying to teach kids about it, and in doing so, make a mockery of it. Ugh. Same with the winter holidays of other faiths. No one needs to "save" them or the precious feelings of their participants. I'd rather you leave my holiday alone than misrepresent it. If you want to know ask me, if you want to teach the school or church school kids, ask an actual person of that faith to present their own story. I have seen the "inclusive" thing taken to a degree where it was insulting to the faiths it was "including" and to the intelligence of all the people participating.

    A joint party, decorating theme, holiday card is not always respectful and appropriate. I truly am NOT upset that you don't go out of your way to recognize my holy day.

  • LKJSlain@xanga

    *head... desk*... Why... why do we make this an issue EVERY DAMN YEAR??!?!

    Seriously?! I mean if we're going to get this up in arms over it all, why don't we  all sit down and talk about how Christ was NOT born on Dec 25th, and how we TAGGED ONTO a pagan holiday actually meaning that we should all be walking around saying, "Blessed Winter Solstice...." ?

    Seriously?

    I am a Christian. I am a PASTOR'S daughter... but when I am with my Jewish friend, do I say "MERRY CHRISTMAS?!!?!?!?" no... I say "Blessed Hanukkah," or "happy Hanukkah..."

    I don't believe that even Jesus would have been like, "Merry ME!" when it comes to Christmas. Christ tended to sit down with people and meet them on their level, making Him VERY open minded, but also sharing this HIS was the way with love, parables, and kindness.

    I believe that it's KIND to acknowledge someone else's belief even if it's not your own. They know where you stand, you believe in Jesus, they're not ASKING you to believe another way. They're saying that they believe different, and when saying "happy holidays" you are encompassing beliefs, traditions, etc...

    :) In my opinion? Jesus is the reason for EVERY season... :)  

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