Wednesday, 07 December 2011

  • A Few Did-You-Knows About the Bible: Christmas Edition

    There are a few assumptions about the story of Christ's birth held by many Western Christians. They are 1) Jesus was born in a wooden trough in a barn, and 2) The inn Mary and Joseph couldn't find room at was a motel like dwelling. Our nativity scenes and church productions have often mistakenly presented untruths to us about this story. Not being Middle-Eastern, many of us have no way of knowing the more probable truths. With these three traditional assumptions in mind I ask:

    Did you know...

    That Jesus probably was not born in a barn but in a common house and the manager was most likely not a wooden trough? Rich folks may have head separate facilities for their animals (or storehouses for grains) but not the common Palestinian.

    The average Palestinian home had 2 rooms. 1 for guests, which was either attached to the back of the house or on the roof, and the main "family" room where sleeping, eating, visiting, and all home life took place. The end of the room next to the door, was either a few feet lower than the rest of the floor or blocked off with heavy timbers. At night the family's animals would reside there, keeping the home warm and the animals safe. The first morning activity was to open the door and let the animals out so they could be tied and given water. This type of home can be traced from the time of David up to the 20th century. Below are two diagrams of the average home. 

    From the side (A) and from above (B).

    A.

    B. 

    The circles in Figure B are dug out portions of the living quarters and act as feeding mangers for the large animals like cows in case they get hungry in the night. There was also typically a small wooden one on the floor of the entrance for the smaller animals such as sheep. This type of 1 room is assumed in the stories found in 1Samuel 28 and Judges 11:29-40. It also makes sense for when Jesus speaks of lighting a lamp so it gives light to all in the house. That's only possible in 1 room homes. This house structure and these practices of keeping the animals inside at night (and thus having the carved out mangers) was absolutely common in Middle-Eastern villages like Bethlehem. For more than 100 years scholars resident in the Middle East have understood Luke 2:7 as referring to a family room such as this.

    Did you know...

    The phrasing "...there was no room in the inn" in Luke 2:7 doesn't actually mean there were no available rooms in the motel? The word often translated as "room" is the Greek word topos (τοπος) which means space, as in there is no space on my desk for a computer. That means the "inn" was so filled you couldn't fill another speck of space! The word often translated as "inn" in the Greek is katalyma (καταλυμα) which does not mean a commercial inn like as in the story of the Good Samaritan. The word in the parable is pandochein (πανδοχειον) which means "to receive all" and it transferred over into Armenian, Coptic, Arabic and Turkish with the same meaning of commercial inn. Katalyma literally means "a place to stay" and can refer to various types of shelters.

    The three possible shelters for this word in this story are inn (English traditional translation), house (Arabic biblical tradition of more than 1,000 years), or guest room (Luke's choice). The other time Luke uses this word in his gospel is 22:10-12. Why would Luke not be consistent with his use of the word? If he wanted to communicate a commercial inn why wouldn't he use the commonly used term instead of a term he uses later to mention a guest room? We know now that this is defined as an "upper-room" which means it is a guest room.  Luke tells us that Jesus was placed in a manger (in the family room) because the guest room in that home was already full. Since many simply homes in traditional villages began in caves and were then expanded this understanding can fit within the Middle Eastern tradition that Jesus was born in a cave. If that's not persuasive then The account in Matthew 2 seals the deal by saying "And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him" (v.11).

    Did you know...

    If Mary and Joseph had been rejected from an inn or housing the city would have been dishonored, that Joseph was a bit of a hero, that the way Jesus was wrapped after birth is a sign of poverty, or that shepherds were unclean people and it was strange that God would send them to the child? I'd expand on these things normally but I'm going to plug my source instead. 

    The above information was mostly taken from an excellent book entitled Jesus Through Middle Eastern Eyes; Cultural Studies in the Gospels by Kenneth E. Bailey from InterVarsity Press (with permission). This book is one of the best books I've ever encountered when it comes to understanding the cultural context of gospels and Bailey covers far more than the Nativity. This is only part of the first part of the first chapter. I recommend it to every westerner interested in the gospels because Bailey gives refreshing examination of many scriptures from a Middle-Eastern perspective that is hard to find in the common Western church. He has a follow up book out now entitled Paul Through Mediterranean Eyes which I am excited to read at some point.

    Did you know these things about the culture and living situation of the people at the time of Jesus' birth? Do you have any information to add to the explanation?

Comments (29)

  • Qipao_Queen@xanga

    "...That Jesus probably was not born in a barn but in a common house and the manager was most likely not a wooden trough?"

    ~ I think you meant to say 'manger' instead of 'manager'.

  • TheGreatBout@xanga
  • libbyshea2014@xanga

    I just learned all of this today! But my professor didn't quite put it so pessimistically. It's not that the Bible is wrong, it's just that different people had different ways of telling the story (one glorifying Jesus [hence a king's wise men paying homage], and one targeting his humble origins [hence the socially outcast shepherds paying homage]) and when they were deciding which to put in the Bible, the couldn't choose one so they put both.


    did you know the bible never specifies how many wise men? it's just been assumed that there were three because Jesus receives three gifts.
  • TheGreatBout@xanga

    @libbyshea2014@xanga - I wasn't at all trying to say the Bible is wrong. I hope you didn't get that from what I wrote here.

  • mendicantmelly@xanga

    Thanks for you post! I really appreciate these sorts of attempts to make biblical scholarship ore digestible to popular audiences.

    Just a thought on Bailey since you bring up two of his books (actually, neither of which I have read): I had read his twin volume on the parables (Poet and Peasant/Through Peasant Eyes) in undergrad, and then I actually had the chance to speak with him a bit last year when he visited my seminary. While I think he definitely sheds a great new light on biblical texts, there is a part of me that sometimes worries about his general methodology/assumptions. In Poet and Peasant (and again, having not read either the Jesus or Paul book of his, I don't know if he holds the same assumptions in those, but I am imagining so), he seems to work from the premise that middle eastern peasant culture will not change nearly as quickly as industrial/urban culture, and thus middle eastern peasant culture today can tell us something about middle eastern peasant culture in the first century. While I would agree with him that peasant cultures will likely not change quite as quickly, I don't think that is the same as saying they never change. I just worry that sometimes Bailey flirts with anachronism by making present day peasant culture equivalent to first century peasant culture. Again, though, maybe he doesn't do that in Jesus Through Middle Eastern Eyes.

    Anyway, all that aside, thanks for the post!

  • ShimmerBodyCream@xanga

    So Jesus was a caveman?

    Interesting post, I learned a lot, I am going to write that book down for future reading.

  • hectoramemnon@xanga

    Our Nativity mythology is all about the worship of baby Jesus.

    We don't need to be bamboozled by the irrelevant story telling of faithless academics hell bent on ruining our Christmas celebration.

    Bah! Humbug! To ivory tower Scrooges.

  • greene_lily@xanga

    I've been trying to get a blog posted through revelife for a couple weeks now concerning the Christmas story but I think it's too controversial for them to publish. Christ wasn't born at Christmas time. It was actually probably somewhere around the Jewish holiday of Rosh Ha'Shanah or Sukkot. If you're interested, here's my post on it. But you can google it for yourself if you don't believe me. =)


    http://greene-lily.xanga.com/757073550/the-christ-in-christmas-part-1/
  • lil_fire_bella@xanga

    Well done :) Some of this I did know, but it was enlightening nonetheless.

  • walawalawinksi@xanga

    @greene_lily@xanga - I thought everyone knew that? We learned that in like 7th grade. None of my family/friends think that Christ was born on or near December 25th. 

  • greene_lily@xanga

    @walawalawinksi@xanga - You would be very surprised at how many people do not know that. Or just refuse to see the truth because it goes against everything they were taught in church. If pastors suddenly stood up in front of the congregation and announced that Christmas celebrations are going to be cancelled due to a mistake in the date, most of them would be fired on the spot. If they tried to preach the truth, they would definitely be fired. Most people do not like their traditions messed with, do not like being told what they believe isn't true, do not like to have to change. You will not believe the nasty things I've had said to me in the past when I tried to tell my friends and family that christ was not born at christmas. And if nastiness was coming from friends and family, you can imagine what's been said to me by strangers. If your family is christian and doesn't celebrate christ in christmas, you're one of very few. I'm guessing that you're not very old? When I was in school they were still teaching that christ was born on Dec 25th. =)

  • walawalawinksi@xanga

    @greene_lily@xanga - I'm 23, so I guess I'm not old, lol. I don't see what the big deal is! I am Christian and it doesn't bother me. My goodness, people are crazy! Neither my new pastor nor my old pastor taught that Christ was born around Christmas. It's just a day we designated to celebrate his birth. Geez people. Lighten up!

  • walawalawinksi@xanga

    @greene_lily@xanga - oh and also, I can't believe Revelife may think your blog is controversial, considering some of the plain dumb stuff they post all the time.

  • greene_lily@xanga

    @walawalawinksi@xanga - It really doesn't matter to me what people celebrate this time of year. I celebrate Chanukah as the conception and christmas as family time. I celebrate the birth at Sukkot. (You should see the strange looks I get dragging out the nativity and singing christmas carols in September.) It's the intolerant rude responses I've gotten to my "different" way of thinking. Every church I ever went to taught Christ at christmas but maybe it's a southern thang? Dunno. Mostly I like to post things that are different just to see what kind of response I'll get. I think it's interesting to hear of other people's beliefs and traditions. I just don't like it when they are so closed-minded that it becomes "my way or the highway". I've been told that I need to just leave things alone. My cousin actually told me that I was being inconsiderate of her holiday. I asked "Why should I be considerate of your beliefs when you won't even *consider* mine?" Honestly it doesn't matter to me, do what you want. I can respect a difference of opinion, even appreciate another way of thinking. I just don't care for rudeness. 

  • greene_lily@xanga

    @walawalawinksi@xanga - I don't know why they won't post it, maybe too many others submitted? Or maybe they figured it would get too nasty? 

  • keystspf@xanga

    Did anyone also take into account that the original writers of the Gospels were NOT GREEK SPEAKERS? Their words were translated from Hebrew or Aramaic into Greek. The word in Hebrew for "manger" in this case would be "sukkah"... which is a temporary dwelling or a booth. If you do the math, by reading both Luke 2 and Leviticus 12, you'll see that there is NO WAY Jesus was born in December, but rather that he was likely born near the Sukkot... the Feast of Booths. Perhaps this is ALL wrong, and he was born in a sukkah... there would have been plenty of those around. If you look at the Greek in the New Testament, the grammar is absolutely atrocious, but if you change it word for word into Hebrew, the grammar is pretty much perfect. While the above scenario is also possible, it is not necessarily any more true than the idea that Jesus was born in a barn and placed in a feeding trough. 

  • brokensoul42@xanga

    Along with some of the comments, if you really look at the context of when Jesus was born, it wasn't in the winter, because the shepherd were OUTSIDE at NIGHT watching over their flocks. Obviously shepherds wouldn't be outside in those conditions, so there's no way Jesus could have been born on the 25th. If you look at a number of reliable sources, many would be surprised to find that December 25th coincided with date of the winter solstice and pagan roman festivals, and many believe that this date was adopted so that pagan converters to Christianity could be appeased.


    Also the "wise men" were astrologers, a profession which God had condemned, so why would he send them to his newborn son?
    Jesus commanded his followers to keep a remembrance of his death, not his birth. Therefore each year I reflect on the sacrifice he made for us.
    Personally I don't want anything to do with anything that has pagan origins, and I choose not to celebrate Christmas, and many other holidays. 
    Many people don't think about these things, and just focus on the enjoying of family. I feel like I should be able to enjoy my family at any time, and give gifts to people I love at any time, not on one specific day of the year.
  • traveler@xanga

    Great insite and great comments. All of them are enough to get people thinks. Heck we just celebrated "St. Nicholas Day" this week. I teach at an Episcolpal school so we celebrate everything I guess. So bring on all the holidays.

  • greene_lily@xanga

    @traveler@xanga -  I'm the same way in Judaism. We have tons of holidays. =)

  • WildBlueYoshi@xanga

    @walawalawinksi@xanga - I agree with you!  Plenty of times, I've said "what's stopping us from celebrating his birth every day?"  Ooo, horror of horrors!  Haha.  We should celebrate Jesus every day, anyway.

  • wrybreadspread@xanga

    when i was in high school (some 40 years ago) i was reading the novel Ben Hur.  It describes a sort of camel bivouac.  Not the quaint little traditional inn.  And no innkeeper to rail against and feel indignant at.  


    i had a history prof in college--a self-confessed skeptic, BTW--who affirmed that the book's author, Lew Wallace, a Civil War general, was a thorough researcher and historically dependable.
    I'm also told that at the Church of the Nativity in Bethleham, there's a cave or grotto that was used as a sort of natural stable.  I'm given to understand that most of the holy sites in Palastine were figured out by Monica, Emperor Constantine's mother, who went there at his behest.  I once saw a PBS special on the site of the tomb of Christ gives indications of being a close match of the traditional time and place of the Crucifixion and Burial; which is about as close as scientists will come to affirming that places associated with a religion are genuine.
  • KateeLee1@xanga

    If your gonna go all accurate and cultural, you might as well know all the facts.
    1) The manger was made out of stone - very common for Israel in His day.
    2) He was born in a cave, there were no chickens and most likely no oxen.  It was common for Shepherds to bring their sheep out of bad weather, into caves because they were large enough to house a whole flock and would keep them out of the worst of the weather.
    This was far from a healthy clean place to give birth to a human but if they sheep where lambing there- the area would have lots of hay would, by necessity be mucked out daily. So Mary and Jesus had almost as good a chance of surviving as the sheep.

    The reason He was born in Bethlehem was because only sheep from Bethlehem were kosher enough to be sacrificed before the Lord. He was born with the sheep. And He was to be the "Lamb of G-d."

    The tradition of Dec. 25th as the day was set "in stone" by the Roman Catholic Church in order to replace the pagan Winter Solstice feasts.

    Most Messianics (Jewish believers in Jesus) think it happen around Sept.-Oct. during the Feast of Shelters or Sukkot- which is a close guess, but in truth- no one knows the exact date.

    What we do know for sure is: it happened during Lambing season. Which for Israel can happen anywhere between late Oct and the end of Jan. it Happened when the winter weather was bad because they were bring the sheep into the caves.

    BUT before everyone starts battling over the Days & the Times and/or dropping Christmas altogether let me highly suggest one thing:

    ANY day of the Year that you celebrate the Lord is a GOOD day. If you are giving gifts out of Love in remembrance of the greatest Gift G-d gave us, namely His Son. And all the songs you sing are about His Birth and your Praise of that- then it is a GOOD thing. Throw Him a Major Birthday party! Just Please- spare us the Commercialized Garbage! That belongs to the World- let them keep it!

    "It is Right to give Him thanks and praise!" G-d gave us an AWESOME gift, should we not celebrate it?

  • walawalawinksi@xanga

    @keystspf@xanga - Hey, I am currently in seminary so I was a bit taken aback by your comment. For a second, I thought I must not have been paying very much attention in class! Because I've been taught for nearly 2 years that the New Testament writers did in fact speak Greek, but yes, with some Aramaic here and there (Jesus cried in Aramaic from the cross, quoting Psalm 22). This is a good article.

    http://www.ntgreek.org/answers/nt_written_in_greek.htm#Chapter_Two

    Def not trying to come across as a smart aleck. Just trying to share knowledge!

  • keystspf@xanga

    @walawalawinksi@xanga - Yes, I'm aware of the fact that the New Testament was written in Greek... I'm also aware of the fact that it is largely very BAD Greek. The original authors may have spoken Greek as a second language, or used Greek as a trade language, but the grammar suggests that they spoke or wrote either Hebrew or Aramaic as a first language.

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