Thursday, 14 July 2011
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Christianity In The American Church
“I quickly found that the American church is a difficult place to fit in if you want to live out New Testament Christianity. The goals of American Christianity are often a nice marriage, children who don’t swear, and good church attendance. Taking the words of Christ literally and seriously is rarely considered. That’s for the “radicals” who are “unbalanced” and who go “overboard.” Most of us want a balanced life that we can control, that is safe, and that does not involve suffering”Chan, Francis. Crazy Love. 66
I would add to this by saying that most people have never considered what Christ has to say completely because they have never seen anyone who has followed literally the words of Christ completely. Such is the state of Christianity that it has morphed into something so insular, as opposed to something that is fundamental so outgoing.
The calling of the Christian is as an ambassador of Christ in this world--if the ambassadors only know fragments of the Kingdom they represent, then how are they to represent an infinite God? Finitely?It is difficult to step out where no one has tread before. And here, I think that it is the neglect of history that has prevented us from stepping out far. In all the saints, you would find people that have walked the path that God has called and have excelled so through the Holy Spirit. All the same, you would find saints who have fallen away and been brought up to accomplish great works which God has predestined for them to do. It is encouraging for sure to read of the same Spirit of these dwelling inside of myself.
Sometimes I wonder why I am not something more. I have all these resources and have undeniably been blessed beyond measure in my life. I have nothing to be discontented about, I am attending college and do not lack money for my needs. Yet, why am I no richer in faith than any of the Christians before me? Why am I not poorer in Spirit than any of the saints that have walked this earth earlier?
I watch videos like this, and I wonder if that is all Christianity is to most people.
Take note that when I say American Christianity, I am referring to anywhere where Christ is not preached. New Zealand Christianity is in a worse place than American Christianity in a different kind of way. In fact, I don't know any point in time in history where the church has not been filled with sinners that are liable to walk off from the straight and narrow path at any point in time. We can see many examples of these in history, and they are perhaps the more well-known Christians of history. But I take comfort in the small stories of people that have been handed down through the ages as small exceptions that God has raised up to keep His church alive in times of oppression.
What Francis Chan says is right, looking at American Christianity I would conclude that we are a rotten lot. But look at Christ living a perfect life and ultimately dying on the cross and we see what Christianity truly is. Look at the what Holy Spirit has accomplished through the broken vessel of humanity and look at God orchestrating the wonderfulness of human existence--only then can we see what real New Testament Christianity looks like, not what we may not see in the church today.
What impression do you have of American Christianity? Is it difficult to be a Christian in a Christian nation?
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I think it is difficult to be a Christian in a nation where everyone has a different idea as to what a Christian is. Denomination X says that Denomination Y isn't a Christian, and Denomination Z says neither X or Y is, but A is, and so on. Or even Denomination X and offshoot of X deny one another. So considering how divided American Christianity is right now I think an important thing to firm up is what the quoted author means when he says "American Christianity."
Coming from a Catholic perspective, I've seen wonderful examples all over the country not only of good Christianity, but thriving Christianity, where Catholics are putting their money where their mouth is, so to speak, and not only spreading the Gospel by word but by the very way they live their lives. I see it in those who are out silently praying in front of abortion clinics, or the mother of five who drives to her parish church at 3am for an hour of Eucharistic Adoration, or the young men entering the priesthood and giving up everything to serve Christ in His Church, or my best friend and many other young women who have done the same. I see parishes closing and new ones being built, going where the people of God are. I see Catholic universities sending mission trips every Spring Break to places all over the US and even to Mexico and Central America as well as continual student service groups around the university and throughout the city. I see continued work in theology, in lay formation, and all manner of things, in spite of the many challenges we face as well. Granted the Church has had struggles but at least in this country Catholics have enjoyed a sense of unity that I see growing stronger every day. The greatest challenge for us, I see, is being authentically Catholic Christian in a primarily Protestant Christian nation.
I know that's really harsh, but it's the truth. American Christianity is all about forcing Christianity on all American citizens through the use of Christian-based legislation. It's one of the many reasons I left America.
What I wonder is what is this "Christianity" that is referenced. It seems Puritanical, not really Christian. My friend AncientScribe describes acts of charity, fruits of the Spirit if you wish, but is that Christianity? Where is faith in Christ crucified for us in all of this? Was Jesus only concerned with these noble tasks? Stateless Pilot errs in assuming that forcing legislation is a Christian goal. Christianity is not a 'law to be made', that's The Law which already exists. Christianity includes both The Law and The Gospel. The social matters legislated ought to be acts of love towards others......forbid destruction of human life via abortion, etc. The LGBT matter referenced, I assume, is the marriage concept, which is not an 'equal right' matter because there is not an equality of circumstances (marriage by definition is two opposite gender people, anything else is a recent redefinition that is nonsensical). I do not seek to force Christianity on anyone. I do seek to proclaim to all; if they reject, then such is their refusal of God's grace. In that light, Christianity in America is freedom to proclaim everywhere.
And you don't go to a better church because you're rejecting what true Christianity is? The author and you have been to every church? No. And you are looking for an excuse because you can't or won't follow?
I feel like no wonder so many people shriek in horror when approached by a so called Christian with a sign or placard. I feel like we've missed the boat. We've encapsulated ourselves in an old and new Testament mind thought without learning greek, and without understanding cultural norms. It's like people badgering me about the Constitution and how it's meant to be heard. Well, Biblically women rarely spoke, and never went about in public alone. In Galatia, the women with short hair were the prostitutes, hence, Paul's diatribe about what women should be wearing or doing. In our country we've had a war over slavery, maintained segregation clear into the 60's, denied the women's vote for a very long time, and beat other people over the head with our Bibles like they were stupid creatures without brains. And we expect other people to say some magic words so that we can judge them Christians, and allow them presence in our churches, when in fact, our Bibles tell us over and over in many scriptures that all men will know Christ. We don't have to be so exclusive. We don't have to blame groups of people for other people's wars. We don't have to talk incessantly about satan, when he's only named 17 times in the Bible, and we know darn good and well we can learn to control our impulses. 24 years post mormonism, and only in the last 8, of being with wonderful Presbyterian friends who believe in social justice have I healed from PTSD of one, leaving my church of birth, and two, being kicked out of a Baptist church because of my politics. I don't recall Christ being political, and I know he wasn't an American. Please people, times are tough, so let's look through Christ's eyes and attempt to apply the 2nd commandment here without all the rules and regulations we've created in order to be qualified for Christianity.
@HLPU@xanga - What about the 1200+ rights that married couples are granted that people who are just "in a relationship" don't get? I guess that's irrelevant to you? And life is irrelevant in the abortion debate seeing as how we destroy life for our own gain all the time. What's relevant is where personhood begins. Life does NOT equal personhood. A fetus is a potential person, and becomes a person upon live birth. Period.
@StatelessPilot - Exaggeration (1200+) does not aid you. If there is some benefit, i.e. tax law, then simply alter the benefit to apply to all circumstances that you wish to include. No magic needed. Redefining a term/word that has long been in place is unnecessary; especially where it makes no sense. And, your abortion distinction also is odd ----- what is 'birth', at what point; and isn't that manipulated by mother and/or birthing aid (sometimes a doctor)? Under your analysis, a midwife can strangle a child just before the finality of birth with no ramifications. What makes removal from the womb so special? To equate birth with personhood is a false distinction for political reasons; people have long referred to that "fetus" as a 'baby' ---- again it is redefinition to fit one's agenda. You missed the point, though, that Christianity is not about forcing anything on anyone.
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@Pollypinks@xanga - "I feel like we've missed the boat. We've encapsulated ourselves in an old and new Testament mind thought without learning greek, and without understanding cultural norms."
So instead of Jesus saying:
Mark16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He should have said,"Go ye into all the world, and learn greek and understand cultural norms."?
He should have said that, right?
Or maybe He should have said,"Go into all the world and make consumers". Right?
You have the Bible. Follow it. If you don't follow it then your excuse is that someone didn't learn greek or understand cultural norms? I don't think so.
I saw an open air preacher man on an IVY league college campus preaching to the air and watched rich kids walk by and snicker.
The man and woman comitting adultery have a reason why they aren't following the Bible. The liar has a reason to not follow the Bible. The person doing drugs has a reason to not follow the Bible. They're afraid of being exposed for what they're doing and living right takes too much out of their time for doing evil which is what they love.
Luke 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
Luke 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
God will expose the real reason some day and you won't have greek or cultural norms as an excuse. God will expose what you are doing if you don't have it erased today.
Taking my comments out of context as far as following Jesus is ludicrous. If everyone were to follow Jesus, we wouldn't have so many hateful denominations. You say, follow the Bible. Okay, it's been translated over 500 times. Take your pick. I'll assume you mean the one that the Romans interpreted in 600 AD, where we have hell and damnation really thrown into the mix. Did God breathe every word of the Bible? Do we really know that, or are you just believing the minister that "saved" you. Did Jesus espouse continuing the practice of stoning? Did he treat women like second class citizens? Has our society changed in ways that have treated others better than they did in the days that biblical texts were written? Were the actions of suffragettes and de-segregation prompted by the spirit? Luke 3:6 All mankind will see God's salvation. Mark 11:17 My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations. John 12:32 When I am lifted up, I will draw all men to myself. These are but a few scriptures found in the Bible, so when you say we should follow all the Bible, I'm assuming you mean the 70 or so scriptures that have to do with all being redeemed.
Going through the posts, I realize that once again, abortion has become the buzz word for my post. I wasn't looking to make it so, but many are "hooked" on public figures who claim to be pro-life. What about those who believe in the consistant life ethic, which believes in personhood from conception to death? Those who are poverty ridden and need help after birth? Those children who benefit from so many things our society has to offer, but frequently sees those benefits go down in a flame of righteous glory so that all the billion dollar corporations can continue to pay no taxes, which would easily take care of these problems. The first 6 years of my 23 yr nursing career were spent working on a labor and delivery ward, mostly in the nursery. I cared for two 12 year old girls who came in laboring. Neither of them spoke a word to any of us, and now, all these years later, I find myself questioning the ethics of what I saw, forcing those girls to go to term when perhaps there was rape or incest involved. One mother actually asked the doctor not to medicate her daughter, so she'd "learn her lesson." I think abortion is very complicated, and obviously, the ideal is for every child to be born, loved, cherished, provided for, and wanted. And I think adoption is the perfect answer for those in situations not ready to do just that. But I have also witnesses women bleeding to death, and, at some point, needing the D & C procedure to stop that, hence, putting an end to the pregnancy. I don't see any perfect answers for the many issues surrounding abortion. I wish I did. I hear what you all are saying, and I internalize it, and on face value, accept it. I've just seen things in the past that gave me pause....