Monday, 30 May 2011

  • An Irrefutable Answer

    [A very loose retelling of an NPR story in April 2011]

    Last evening, I was listening to a Public Broadcasting station in which a young fellow was describing a showdown with his father. He had been raised in a very strict religiously conservative environment at home (read-‘Bible Thumpers’). Upon graduation from high school he had enrolled in a Bible-based college--perhaps a seminary. He became absorbed in the scholarly pursuit of understanding all of the ‘ins and outs’ of the Bible--its language, syntax, history, and variant readings along with the most up-to-date textual discoveries and modern thinking.

    With each additional course that he took, his enthusiasm for and attitude toward the Bible as a divine book and the Christian faith plummeted. He became an angry snarling skeptic with a mission--to rescue anyone; friend, family or acquaintance who had been helplessly and haplessly ensnared in the cruel and insidious grip of what he knew was an ignorance-based faith. He had a reasonable and rational argument or answer for every tenet of the Christian faith. He could expose the most basic teachings of religious thought and every supposed miracle as fraudulent with the incontrovertible and undeniable facts. The Christian religion was such a farce--a system of thinking so totally arcane. It was a sham.

    And so he was ready when he met his father for breakfast that morning--he was ready to reduce his father’s faith to the junk heap of irrelevance, fully intending to deliver him from a religion with no foundation in either fact or rational thought. All he needed was an ‘in’--a mere opening to do what he thought was a work of compassion and love. He was on a mission. He was there to rescue his father.

    The conversation was amicable enough until the young man’s father mentioned a trip to the British Isles that he was contemplating for the purpose of helping "spread the Gospel to ‘those in need’ of it." Here was his chance and the young man pounced with great relish and enthusiasm. He tore into his father, castigating him for his holy self-righteous attitude and condescension. "Don’t you understand how arrogant and conceited you sound?!" The young man continued; "And do you think it proper that you should go over to some distant country to try to ‘save’  its people from some imaginary evil or pagan way of life with such an archaic and inane message?!" The young man’s eloquent logic was devastating against his father’s unlearned and baseless faith. His argumentation and reasoning were flawless, gushing from his mouth like an unstoppable torrent. There could be no reasonable defense  against such an onslaught of words from his father. He had done a masterful job in crushing any anticipated retort. He knew he had boxed his father into a corner--a corner demanding total surrender of an ignorant faith or an admission to complete dishonesty in stubbornly clinging to a faith that they both knew at best was little more than a charade.

    The young man’s father sighed deeply. "Tim," he said, "Your mother and I are extremely proud of you and we love you! Your tireless and relentless pursuit of knowledge and understanding in Biblical studies and related courses has been an amazing thing for us to watch. We know how hard you have worked and the tremendous sacrifice it has taken to come to the level of achievement you have attained. We are confident that very few people have surpassed the high mark of excellence we have seen in your life. I cannot answer your questions. I cannot offer you studious or highly technical answers to your objections. I cannot come up with sophisticated or well documented reasons for my faith."

    His father continued; "All I know, Tim, is that before your arrival into our family, our lives were an unequivocal mess. It was a shambles--a ‘house of cards’ threatening total collapse. Your mother and I were ready to throw in the towel and I was at the end of my rope ready to ‘cash in my chips’. Were it not for the precious faith that was so graciously given to me and your mother, I have no clue where we would be today. I know we would not be together and I strongly suspect that if it were not for the comfort and strength that God has given me through that faith, I would not be here talking to you at this very moment. I wouldn’t be anywhere  on the face of this earth! For you see in a word, Tim, it ‘saved’  me. Perhaps all of your reasoning and fine sounding arguments are ‘spot on’ correct and maybe my faith is little more than utter foolishness. But it is precious to me and it sustains me and has made me today what I am. I owe my life to it and I cannot and will  not relinquish it."

    For the first time in the course of their conversation, the young man was silent. There was no rejoinder, no comeback, no rebuttal--simply silence. What else was there for him to say? For in that moment he at last realized who had been the condescending one, the arrogant one, the presumptuous one--perhaps even the one in need of ‘rescue’. His urgent mission to rescue his father was no longer crucial. He now realized that it had already been accomplished--long before he had arrived on the scene.

    "Where can you find someone truly wise, truly educated, truly intelligent in this day and age? Hasn't God exposed it all as pretentious nonsense? Since the world in all its fancy wisdom never had a clue when it came to knowing God, God in his wisdom took delight in using what the world considered dumb--preaching, of all things!--to bring those who trust him into the way of salvation. While Jews clamor for miraculous demonstrations and Greeks go in for philosophical wisdom, we go right on proclaiming Christ, the Crucified . . . . To us who are personally called by God himself . . . , Christ is God's ultimate miracle and wisdom all wrapped up in one. Human wisdom is so tinny, so impotent, next to the seeming absurdity of God. Human strength can't begin to compete with God's ‘weakness’."

    -- I Corinthians 1:20-25 [MSG]

    When have you doubted or questioned your faith? What has brought you back to faith? If you have yet to regain your faith, what is it that prevents you from doing so?

Comments (15)

  • CecilliaMarie@xanga

    Amazing post :)


    I've gone through a couple of "rough patches" in my Christian walk, but nothing as extreme as what this guy went through. Although I never denied Jesus or what He did, I went through a struggle having faith in Him when I lost my boyfriend of 3 years in a drunk driving accident. The driver of the other vehicle was unharmed while my boyfriend had died on impact. It was very had for me to understand what the point was behind God taking him away from me and it really caused a distance in my relationship to Christ. 

    Thankfully my relationship with Him is better now after talking to other Christians about what happened and from reading my Bible. I met my now husband that summer as well and in a lot of ways I think it was through meeting him that I realized God didn't mean to hurt me by what happened to my boyfriend...it was just His plan. 
  • kk_grayfox@xanga

    That was really cool. I liked it.

  • MyTwoCentss@xanga

    I've struggled with my faith in the past after a family tragedy when I was 12.  (I'd only been a Christian for two years at that point.) 
    (Brief summary - cousins of mine [8 months old, 2 years old, 4 years old & 16 y/o with their 34 y/o mom were killed in a house fire that was deemed arson with the father/husband the prime suspect but nobody ever charged.  It was on the 16 year old's birthday too.) 
    It was when I attended a science symposium my senior year of high school that I heard atheists degrading Christians for not believing in evolution that I realized that I was no longer angry with God & that I was highly offended by these people's attitudes.  People don't have 100% undeniable evidence that this is exactly how the world so why go around acting so judgmental & arrogant?  That's when I decided to attend a Christian university because I certainly didn't want to deal with people like this in a public university. 

  • maniacsicko@xanga

    I kind of get if the young man is arrogant based on how the story paint him to be, but on this particular part:

    "Perhaps all of your reasoning and fine sounding arguments are ‘spot on’
    correct and maybe my faith is little more than utter foolishness. But it
    is precious to me and it sustains me and has made me today what I am. I
    owe my life to it and I cannot and
    will  not relinquish it."

    does this means that even if the arguments againts the faith is spot on correct, it is still worth clinging on to because it means something to us?

    that's kind of a weird concept, in my personal opinion, as it is somewhat saying that it doesn't really matter if we are trully "saved" as long as we think we are "saved" and we feel good about that...

  • AwakeInTheNight@xanga

    I have doubted and questioned my faith off and on through out my life. And a lot of what brought me back was guilt. The feeling like I was supposed to. Which is probably why it never lasted long. I didn't want to be going to church, believing all the things I was learning and what was in the bible, just because I felt I was "supposed" to. I got tired of feeling like I wasn't as good of a person just because I didn't carry the same faith. Or that even if I spent my life as a good person, I was going to be doomed if I didn't believe in God and carry a particular faith.


    It's something I still struggle with. I feel good about it for a bit, then am quickly discouraged. The causes of what prevents me from it are far to numerous. I dont know, maybe some day I will be able to come to. Maybe.

  • AMIGOS_WE_THREE@xanga

    A fool and his computer are soon parted.  This is not a good post as it fails in it logic

  • Mr_Turniphead@xanga
  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga

    "Perhaps all of your reasoning and fine sounding arguments are ‘spot on’ correct and maybe my faith is little more than utter foolishness. But it is precious to me and it sustains me and has made me today what I am. I owe my life to it and I cannot andwill  not relinquish it."


    i'm perfectly fine with people clinging to things that make them happy.  as the great Sinatra once said, "Basically, I'm for anything that gets you through the night - be it prayer, tranquilizers or a bottle of Jack Daniels."  but the problem is when a part of your faith involves getting others to believe exactly as you.  if you can acknowledge that it simply makes you happy, it seems arrogant to believe that the same things make everyone happy.  
  • HLPU@xanga

    Be ready to give a reason for the hope that is in you.......doesn't say anything about forcing anyone to believe anything.  Proclaiming Christ crucified may not make sense to some (or many), but that's not the point.  For mankind to think that we can figure out all the answers is arrogant.  For me to proclaim Christ to others is not arrogant, it is being considerate.

  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga

    @HLPU@xanga - 


    "For mankind to think that we can figure out all the answers is arrogant.  For me to proclaim Christ to others is not arrogant, it is being considerate."
    so how is it any less arrogant for you to believe you have all the answers, then?  
  • HLPU@xanga

    @too_pretty_to_die@xanga - so how is it any less arrogant for you to believe you have all the answers, then?


    (a) I don't;


    (b) Christ does;


    (c) there is no arrogance in my pointing you to (b).

  • Mr_Turniphead@xanga

    @HLPU@xanga -  ~ : ]   !!!!!!!!!!    LAW--

  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga
    @HLPU@xanga - I'm not sure I see the difference. at the very least, you feel that Christianity's claim of exclusivity is just as much of a comfort to you as any other aspect of the religion, otherwise you wouldn't share it as though it were useful advice or convincing conversion material. besides, the story of Jesus answers none of my spiritual concerns. it's clearly not for me.
  • designandart@xanga

    A very young and very wise girl told me that she just lets people believe what they want to. Speaking of my faith is a desire but is difficult. I can say my relationship with God has made me happy. I can say I've been ministered to by an angel when I didn't expect it. I can say I can sleep most all nights. I can say some of the words of the Bible have been made real. I know what and in whom I have believed. I told an atheist once that I believed I can prove God exists. If that first step of faith to believe is taken, then God will keep you. Then you will know. 

  • Mr_Turniphead@xanga

    @designandart@xanga -  If I am hell-bent on destroying my life, no one can stop me!  But I know that these two things are good:--- it is good for me that I stop and listen to those who have been to 'hell & back' so that I might avoid the same and--- it is good for those who have been to 'hell & back' to share that itinerary with me so that I might avoid the same.  I can impune motives upon people for doing that all I want, but ultimately, it does me no good if I refuse to listen to their words simply because I have decided that they are not sincere enough---they may very well have some very good information ['the bridge is washed out ahead"], but it seems rather unwise for me to question that info simply because they seem to be pushing an agenda on me. From my perspective, I guess it doesn't matter to me (though it might make the journey more enjoyable) whether the person giving me information is sincere enough or not as long as the info is accurate.  However, in the long run, it might very well save my life and for that I can be very grateful!        LAW--

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