Thursday, 24 March 2011
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Does Scripture Support Smoking Pot?
By Matthew at Jesus Needs New PR
Well… one Facebook group says yes. The group Every Seed Bearing Plant suggests that Genesis 1:29 offer biblical support for the extracurricular use of marijuana.“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.” Genesis 1:29.
The group’s mission is simple: Establishing the God connection to the Marijuana, Poppy and Coca plant, and why it is against God’s law to make any plant illegal.
You can read more about this group’s high agenda here.
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@Nawnaa@xanga - Ah you're one of those "holier than thou" people eh? :)
In the Bible it states that we are to follow the law of man unless it conflicts with God's higher laws or His Word.
Romans 13:1-2 tell us to be in subjection to the superior authorities even as we are to God. further, we are to be in relative subjection to kings and governors as they have their positions due to God's allowance. (1Peter 2:13-17)
The law clearly says that smoking pot is illegal and unless God says otherwise, we aren't to break that law.
@Nawnaa@xanga - Pretty sure you can search that for yourself ;) Whether it is illegal or not, I don't care. Making it legal may just lower crime and such, but we wont know for sure. When you are high, you do some wacky things and could kill yourself or others. But its effects are not bad bad, just different. They can temporarily harm the body, but wont kill you by themselves. It can induce toxic psychosis and such, but the dangers are grossly overstated and such... (Check out Bill Hicks, he loved joking about how marijuana is illegal yet alcohol isn't)
“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit withinI understand what they are trying to say, but we eat the meat of apples, the meat of potatoes, the meat of lettuces (the leafs), the meat of peanuts, and so on. Marijauna is a leaf bearing plant that has no real "meat" or leafs you can eat. You can smoke them sure, but is that taking care of your body, which is the Temple of Christ? It is not a protein or a sustainable substance that can keep you alive, unlike peanuts and apples. It's completely stretching this verse, and it's not much to go on. They are changing the meaning of scripture to make it okay to do this to their bodies.
you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought
with a price. So glorify God in your body." 1 Corinthians 6:19-20
@ProudToBeAChristianFruitcake@xanga - oh actually it seems i was wrong. "The leaves and stems are very hairy with non-stinging hairs and also bear many stinging hairs (trichomes), whose tips come off when touched, transforming the hair into a needle that will inject several chemicals: acetylcholine, histamine, 5-HT or serotonin, and possibly formic acid."
It's not poisonous though, trust me :)! I would say it's more of an irritant than toxic. Nettle soup is not made using the 'inside' of the plant, i don't even know how that would be possible! It's made using young leaves :)
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. peter 5:8
Honestly, I used to smoke weed pretty much daily. I got saved this summer and haven't smoked in almost ten months now, because after encountering God I just completely lost interest in it. I just don't really see any point in smoking anymore because there really is no benefit other than medical reasons. Yeah, your imagination is heightened, music sounds cooler and you eat a whole lot more. But, honestly, the Holy Spirit does the same thing for me except a million times better minus the eating a lot.
welll.....as long as god says its okay.. :)
@Ancient_Scribe@xanga - What makes you think a high person can't love and care for another person? I know a pot-smoking, Christian mother who rears her son quite proudly while being stoned 24 hours a day. This son, a very close friend of mine, even admits that his mom smokes all day every day, but that never stops her from being an upstanding mother. So, why don't you try something before you make a conclusion on it you self-righteous douche bag.
@FatWorlD_WONDER@xanga - I am sorry that my earlier comments were not clear. I am not questioning the person, but rather the potential for holiness in a person who is high, drunk or otherwise psycho-chemically altered. Would I condemn the mother in your example as being a bad person, of not loving her son or taking good care of him? Of course not. The question I would ask is how much more could she love, how much more holy could she become by the grace of God, were she to deny herself, take up the cross of Christ, and offer Him the use of her sober mind? At least, this is what I am trying to convey; I hope this is a bit more clear.
Finally, as a mentioned to a previous commenter, one need not try a thing to decide that it is harmful, bad or otherwise not for them. To adopt such a policy regarding one's moral choices would be quite disastrous. I have learned through the sad misfortunes of other friends that engaging in this behavior, trying that drug, drinking such-and-such drink does not provide the kind of experience or life that I desire nor feel called to. Just as you reel at any "self-righteous douche" that seems to be condemning people who engage in a particular kind of behavior, should anyone likewise condemn a person for choosing not to engage in a particular kind of behavior?
God bless you and, again, my apologies for the confusion my comments seem to have caused you.
@Melissa___Dawn@xanga - "Studies have not conclusively proven that marijuana causes schizophrenia. As a matter of fact, scientific studies have only concluded that a person already predisposed to schizophrenia has an increased risk of triggering it sooner by smoking marijuana under the age of 18. After age 18 that risk drops significantly."
What I know is that my stepsister was fine before she smoked and wasn't fine after she smoked.
"(Pharm. Bioch. Behav. 51: 731,
1995). We don't know what this means yet, except that it's clear
that using cannabis does alter the molecular structure of the
brain. Although we don't know what the cannabinoid receptors do
for us in health, they must be there for a reason. And smoking
cannabis alters them."
http://www.pathguy.com/lxa/cannabis.txt
As far as studies go, the world had seven or eight theories on the nature of the universe over the centuries and they've all proven to be false up to the ones we hold today. Just because there is a study doesn't mean that it is complete proof because there will come a day when researchers reverse themselves and say that it is unsafe.
@undeclared1@xanga - I think you're in denial. Marijuana IS additive and it DOES hurt you. YOU are very misinformed.
okay, the scripture isn't supporting SMOKING it. marijuana is used for many other things, besides getting stoned. because if you also read in the bible, it is wrong to do any harm to your body. you are to stay sober, and not abuse the things God has put on this earth for you. nowhere does any scripture say it's cool smoke it. although marijuana is extremely healthy, smoking isn't. smoking is harmful, quite obviously. so there you go, case closed.
@Liquid_Pain_523@xanga - "Yeah, but people can be addicted to anything. If anything, some pot might calm some of those people down XD. I don't really believe legalizing drugs would increase the addiction rate. Just look at what happened during the days of prohibition of alcohol. If anything, making the drugs illegal just makes them less safe."
I drove by the meth clinic before there was a police officer stationed there and one day I had to slam on my brakes because a woman drove past the stop sign out of the dead end side street that only the Meth clinic uses.
The fact is that pot can become addicting and there is a psychological reasont that people on drugs can't always deal with their problems as effectively as those who aren't. When you have people who do drugs or alcohol on a regular basis to get away with their problems, they suddenly find themselves on drugs and nothing has changed. They still can't solve their problems so they look for the next high.
Once you start doing drugs, I feel you have crossed a boundary. Once that boundary is cross, there isn't much difference between what is legalized and what isn't. I feel it is just a step to the next illegal drug. I can bet you that if I interviewed the people in the meth clinic, there isn't many drugs they haven't done.
Unfortunately, there is a boundary between what is right and wrong with me and you have crossed over it.
Say "no" to drugs.
@Ancient_Scribe@xanga - Okay, I see you are questioning the
degreeof her holiness. You see, you are doing it again. You're still making the conclusion that sober people are
betterthan people high on marijuana. And, please, do not include alcohol or other possibly harder substances into the picture. Everyone knows different drugs do different things to people. But you, on the other hand, insist on generalizing that all drugs have the same detrimental effect on people's sensory abilities. Drunk drivers have actually killed people, but do you know of any actual reports of
stoneddrivers killing people. Nope! Can't remember a single one! And, if you did, it is likely that they were on other drugs as well, But you wouldn't know a thing about marijuana. You're just another ignoramous who's only knowledge of weed is through television and other ignorant advertisers who probably have never tried it. Ask yourself this question: do you know ANY marijuana-users who have looked back and regretted doing it? I certainly don't, but I know of cocaine addicts who have!
Please, don't kid yourself with your faulty logic. I don't condemn people who refuse to take marijuana. I love and respect my friends who refused weed by personal choice. It is people who bash on marijuana without ever having tried it that I find a problem with. Of course, I would never jump off a cliff if I was told that it was relaxing or a suppressant for depression BECAUSE THROUGH COMMON SENSE I KNOW MY BRAINS AND GUTS WOULD PHYSICALLY SPLATTER. But marijuana is not common knowledge. It is a very complex herb that is not man-made. It battles people's anxiety problems in ways people never knew existed and are still trying to figure out.
@FatWorlD_WONDER@xanga - "stoned
drivers killing people. Nope! Can't remember a single one! And, if you did, it is likely that they were on other drugs as well, But you wouldn't know a thing about marijuana. You're just another ignoramous who's only knowledge of weed is through television and other ignorant advertisers who probably have never tried it. Ask yourself this question: do you know ANY marijuana-users who have looked back and regretted doing it? I certainly don't, but I know of cocaine addicts who have!"
There are several stories in the news:
http://www.10news.com/news/27314230/detail.html
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/melrose/2011/03/melrose_man_allegedly_smoked_m.html
http://www.dailydemocrat.com/ci_17681270?source=most_emailed
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=resources/traffic&id=7994571
I could sit here all day and find stories of people on pot who have deadly motor vehicle accidents.
I think the reason why pot isn't explicitly mentioned in the Bible is because it's not meant to be as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. It's a plant, yes, and I honestly don't think God minds if we smoke. But just like everything else, it's meant to be enjoyed in moderation. I don't know, that's just my opinion.
@CecilliaMarie@xanga - I don't know where you came up with that conclusion. I never even said I was a worshiper, therefore how would I be "holier"?
I am, nonetheless, but my point is: please do NOT make assumptions about me because no one person is "holier" than another, and anybody who does believe that is just asinine.
And, by that Bible verse, it meant the kings and queens chosen by "Divine Right", meaning they were chosen straight from God. At least that's what I've learned in through my studies of Ancient History. Forgive me if i'm wrongly informed.
Here, in the U.S., we do not believe in "Divine Right", though. We believe in democracy. And therefore, wanting to CHANGE a law, is not against the law. Thus, I am niether breaking the law of the land, nor the law of the bible.
Either way, I'm afraid you missed my point. I never advocated for smoking marijuana if it is illegal. Not once did I even suggest that. My point is that I believe marijuana SHOULD be legal. For more than just a mind-altering substance, too. Hemp?!
Look at the side effects of marijuana and compare the most extreme to the side effects of, perhaps... heart medicine? Or somewhere closer in relation to marijuana... antidepressants? (And I am NOT saying marijuana is an antidepressant. I recognize that it can be quite the opposite. But then again, so can antidepressants. Hm. I'm just saying it's closer in relation because of the mood altering side effects... )
And those are the meds that are closely monitered by doctors.
For a drug that's not monitered at all, marijuana seems, by far, a lot safer. I understand that deaths are rare with these prescription drugs, but there have been NO reported deaths that are a direct result from marijuana. I understand operating a vehicle can be dangerous and deadly while under the influence, but so can over the counter cough medicine, or just being tired (NATURAL!). Or being under the influence of the ever so legal ALCOHOL.
Sorry for directing this all towards you in a reply, it is not just meant for YOU but for everybody, rather.
And quite honestly, what irks me the most is the fact that MY tax dollars are going towards putting these "criminals" in jail for "posession". Hahaha
@Chuckt - ok.
1st article is an unfinished case. it is true marijuana was in his bloodstream BUT that's not the reason why crashed. it says here on the article that the tiny amount of marijuana he smoked was inconsistent with his erratic behavior and nonsensical slurs coming from his mouth. it also says here that he's been smoking marijuana every morning, and there's just no way that it one day suddenly altered his behavior to leading up to, and after, the crash.
2nd article was about a man who people ALLEGED to having smoked marijuana before driving. the old driver only said he possessed marijuana, not alcohol; and, in fact, he himself never actually said he smoked before driving. geez, people ASSUMED he smoked marijuana because he possessed it. he didn't actually say he did. that's why he pleaded not guilty to the OUI charge.
3rd article was about a man who was dosed on marijuana AND morphine AND methamphetamine. everyone knows morphine and metamphetamine are potent drugs that can dramatically alter a person's behavior more so than marijuana. My God, with a mix of drugs that lethal, of course this guy was bound to kill someone.
4th article: The driver Kahn possessed marijuana "But Judge Natal did not find Kahn guilty of driving under the influence or while intoxicated."
YOU FUCKING IDIOT. DID YOU EVEN READ THESE ARTICLES? ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO SUPPORT YOUR LOGIC BY SIMPLY GATHERING NEWS ARTICLES THAT HAVE THE WORD "MARIJUANA" ON IT? ("oh hey, this is a car crash and it involves the word 'marijuana' in it. maybe i should use it!")
@needtobreathe22@xanga - I smoked marijuana multiple times a day everyday while my brother was in and out of the hospital because I had nothing to do. I quit one day without a problem. No physical or psychological reactions.
It's amusing how people try to run in circles of empty rhetoric trying to justify marijuana's illegality. Even if you get past the absurdity of trying to outlaw parts of nature, in this case plants that grow in the wild, you have drug crime, the economics of law enforcement (as well as the economics of jailing citizens who are otherwise contributing members of society), you have kids overdosing on legal alternatives (whereas you can't OD on weed unless you have a serious pre-existing condition), and states are denying medication to people who need serious help.
In my state, a few ounces of pot will give you a felony sentence whereas some violent sex crimes are still misdemeanors. Convicted felons cannot vote, become a police officer, or even serve on a jury - does that mean their empty spots will be taken up by the violent sex offender? Now that's fucked up.
@needtobreathe22@xanga - If marijuana is unbiblical because it hurts you, then MSG, HFCS, caffeine, most inorganic preservatives and thousands of other FDA-approved food chemicals would be straight-up satanic for being so much worse for you than weed is.
And no, it's not addictive. I've gone through periods of my life where I went months without smoking it and I've gone through periods where I smoke every day, usually with little transition between. Most of my friends are similar. I know more people whose lives are negatively affected by video game addiction than being a pothead.
@PseudoEuphoric@xanga - Yes yes yes!
@ProudToBeAChristianFruitcake@xanga - Almost all of those plants you list have beneficial uses that I am aware of. I'm sure the others do as well. The valid, beneficial uses of the cannabis plant are undeniable, no matter one's stance on altering consciousness. Same with the poppy. I don't know enough about the coca plant, but I have read about serious medicinal qualities in the plant.
when did the legality of anything have any bearing as to its spiritual/religious aspect? we murder in the name of Christ and money all day and night a tale as old as time yet somehow, almost as if contractually, its justified as holy and heroic. does removing the illegality of something lessen its amount of 'sin' or is it simply a no-no because its illegal? stronger, deadlier poisons are prescribed as we speak, heck, there are killer cures all around, and He also gave us free will and sundays to do nothing but have both human and spiritual experiences be it from the earth or not : )
I hate it when people use the Bible to try to get away with doing shit they know is wrong.
*Note: I'm not saying smoking pot is wrong, just not my personal choice.
If you're gonna do something, just do it. Just be accountable for your actions and don't try to use the Bible, or any kind of religion, to justify your actions.
Bam.
well since it's illegal it is also in the commandments that you should follow the rules and laws and regulations and it's also a sin to put your health in danger soo...