Tuesday, 15 March 2011
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"Pray the Gay Away?" - My Take, Part 1
"He created us for something better." -- Alan Chambers, president of Exodus International
There are certain causes/issues we feel more strongly about than others. For some it might be abortion, for others global warming, for others the validity/existence of Barack Obama's birth certificate. Well, for me, something that's been capturing my heart more and more is the issue of homosexuality and the Church. I'm big into Christian music, so I was especially impacted when Christian artists Ray Boltz and Jennifer Knapp came out as homosexuals and decided to pursue gay relationships while still claiming to pursue Christ.
Needless to say, when I heard former View co-host Lisa Ling would be covering homosexuality and faith for an episode of her new show on OWN, I couldn't wait to see it. Her Our America episode, "Pray the Gay Away?" recently went online, and you can watch the full episode here. This post will cover what I took away from the first half of the episode, regarding Christians who deny their same-sex attractions. My second-half review will deal with Christians who embrace their homosexuality; look for that second part to be posted in the coming days here on Revelife.
I admired Ling's curiosity to begin this journalistic undertaking. Her intrigue spanned the entire episode as she interviewed people on both sides of this divisive issue. Her question: can one be both gay and Christian? How is homosexuality reconciled among people of faith? Ling was on a mission to understand the varying beliefs of same-sex attracted Christians.
Ling began her quest with a visit to a conference orchestrated by Exodus International, an organization devoted to ministering "grace and truth to a world impacted by homosexuality." Contrary to what some may think, Exodus doesn't promise to erase unwanted same-sex attractions. Indeed, Exodus president Alan Chambers posed a daunting question and challenge to the conference attendees: "What if your feelings and attractions never change? Will you still serve God?"
An interview with Chambers revealed that he still struggles with same-sex attractions, despite his thirteen-year marriage to his wife. But I loved the point he made about temptation within his marriage: how are his own temptations any different from any other married man's? Sexual temptation is everywhere in today's culture, and it's something we all have to deal with, whether we're single or married. I'm reminded of those sobering lyrics, "Prone to wander, Lord I feel it."
I loved another point Chambers made when Ling asked if he felt he was "living a lie" amid his marriage to a woman. He responded that he was simply denying the minute-by-minute power his attractions once held over him, choosing to live his life through the filter of his faith rather than the filter of his sexuality. And when he did that, he says his sexuality did indeed start to change.
"That's not a lie; that's the truth," Chambers declared. Indeed, who is anyone to tell another his life is a lie? In my next post I'll elaborate on similar thoughts for a man on the flip-side of this issue.
In addition to speaking with Exodus International's president, Ling also interviewed two other Christians determined not to let homosexuality control their lives: a middle-aged black woman named Janet and a young man in his 20s named Christian. Janet boldly told Ling that she no longer wrestled with homosexual attractions; for Christian, this wasn't exactly the case. While he admitted being sexually attracted to women every once in a while, he plainly admitted being way more attracted to men -- creating a conflict equatable to "bleeding out of his eyeballs."
And yet still he chooses to deny his male attractions in pursuit of Christ. I teared up along with him when he described his first encounter with the "passionate presence of God." After seeing his tear-rimmed eyes, I could never be convinced there's not something Special rooted deep inside him, beckoning him to abandon himself for something far greater.
Ling's reaction to Christian fascinated me. While she noted it was hard to watch him repress and seemingly torment himself, she also seemed to admire his resoluteness to walk this path -- making the transition from the drag queen he once was to the man he feels God calling him to be.
I too admire this fellow brother in Christ. We all have our respective "thorn in the flesh," and I have so much admiration for people like Christian who pick up their crosses despite the pull of another path. My heart goes out to him and to the countless many who deal with this particular issue on a daily basis. May we all be more sensitive to this fiery issue and love our fellow man as Christ has loved us.
How aware have you been of Christians wrestling with their sexuality? Do you think the Church at large is aware enough? Do you know somebody of faith impacted by homosexuality? What can we do as fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to help those who struggle? What types of things do you struggle with?
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I don't 'struggle' with bisexuality. I 'struggle' with those who use God's name either to justify their lack of understanding of homosexuality, or, worse, their homophobia.
@Spockrockerwmydirtyeyes@xanga - One would only hope.
First I've heard of this (I guess that says a lot about how much I pay attention to television), but that title might have put me off. "Pray the Gay Away" is a phrase I only hear from very bigoted anti-evangelicals. But it sounds like the episode itself actually approached the controversy fairly.
I've said a prayer for Christian. My heart goes out to the guy. Too often a young Christian man with his struggles only finds condemnation. May he find the loving support he needs.
i'm gonna pray really hard and then maybe i'll become left-handed . . . or maybe my hair will turn blonde, or my eyes will turn blue.
same as trying to "pray the gay away."
i'd encourage you to read this essay: http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-walter-wink
Thank you Tom for posting this! :) I'm not gay, but I do know a number of people that are and in all honesty I've really struggled with my faith vs. their lifestyle choice. This has really opened my eyes to something that our churches need to be talking about. Our society today is making it ok for more people to come out with their sexuality (which I could only imagine is scary enough), but to throw in there all the judgement and negative comments from people who call themselves Christians when they aren't truly showing the love of Christ must be so difficult. I've never really known what to say to my gay friends, but watching this made me realize that maybe I don't need to say anything to them. At the end of the day we're ALL children of God and what matters is how we treat others regardless of their sexuality. Great post :D
@erotyka@xanga - God does indeed love everyone, and I was sure to state that in my post. I'm so sorry if others have told you otherwise. It doesn't get any better than John 3:16, "For God so loved the world..."
@DraigStudio@xanga - I agree "we are who we are" in the sense that people are ingrained with the attractions they have; they don't choose them. But I'm glad you wrapped up your comment with that line, "If people want to deny their attraction that is fine." I'm not out to convert gay to straight with this post. The main purpose of this post was to bring this issue to light for the Church, that there are many Christians among us who wrestle with this issue and that we all need to be more sensitive and loving.
@Darth_Windows@xanga - I wasn't attacking "being gay." But if some Christians feel called to deny their attractions, isn't it their right to do so?
@Unstoppable_Inner_Strength@xanga - I'm assuming you're referring to Christians at large and not my own thoughts from this post. I'm certainly not attempting to "strip my fellow humans of their rights." Again, main purpose of this post was to bring to light that some Christians deal with this issue and that some feel led to deny their attractions. Look for Part 2 in the coming days where I examine the other side of the coin.
@ai_shitemo@xanga - I disagree; there is so much power in prayer. While I don't know that "praying the gay away" (Ling's titling, not mine) is entirely accurate, I completely believe in praying the "control" away. I look at someone like Alan Chambers who was once consumed by his attractions, and now he's experiencing freedom. I realize not all gay people feel "consumed," but as I've stated in the post and in some replies, who is anyone to deny the paths Alan, Janet and Christian are taking? The freedom they're experiencing?
@twoBex - Go to Vegas some time, marriage is three to the dollar and the women are men. think it might do ya some good. :3
@Darth_Windows@xanga - This, so much!
Don't tell me there's going to be MORE of this. Who is anyone to tell someone else how to live their life by YOUR standards? Why would God make us the way we are, just so we can CHANGE who we are?
@CecilliaMarie@xanga - Thanks so much for those words. So glad to hear your eyes are being opened more to this issue; I pray the Church at large be opened the same.
@full_of_contradictions@xanga - Thank you for posting that link. I did read it and am aware of various examinations of those six homosexuality verses. In Part 2 of this post I'll talk about the flip-side of this issue with Christians who accept/embrace their same-sex attractions as part of who they are. I'd encourage you to come back and read it.
@DncngINthedark@xanga - Prayer may not necessarily full-on reverse a person's orientation, but growth can happen. Absolutely. There's Alan Chambers and Janet in the video, and I know several people much older than me who would attest to that reality too.
@eleMS@xanga - I wish the Church understood this issue more, and I hope my post helps just one person understand it better. I hope I didn't imply in this post that all homosexuals "struggle" with their sexuality, but the reality is that many do, and as I've said in some other replies, who are we to deny homosexual Christians their right to deny their attractions in pursuit of Christ?
@explosive@xanga - I'm not telling anyone to live anyway. Something I make crystal clear in Part 2 when I look at Michael Bussee and The Naming Project.
Its never my place to cast stones. As a christain, I have had difficulty choosing how I feel about the idea about choosing sexuality or choosing to act on it or whatever. I haven't come to terms with myself that it is a sin. In fact, I can't really pull myself to believe it at all. I am straght and not a "good" christian... but the controversey really is in if you believe you are born straight or homosexual.. or choose to act on it? maybe choose to be gay straight or bi?
I personally believe that people are born homosexual, bi, or straight. But it doesn't make sense to me as to why god would put a human on this earth, ask him to love, yet restrict him/her from thier full capability. I can't wrap my head around that, at all. Sure, he may have wanted that person to have a greater calling in life...but it just doesnt seem understandable. The way I see it, no one person is perfect and we constantly sin, even in the way of righteousness.I could be honest, respectful and try to not be jealous...but there is no guarantee for that.
Some believe that all sin is equal. The lust that I have for my husband could be equilivlant to the lust for the same gender. Oh well, I am horrible at explaining myself. So I am sorry if I offended anyone.
To answer the questions:
How aware have you been of Christians wrestling with their sexuality?
Well, I never knew about doubt until I learned about homosexuality. My aunt was a lesbian, but I didn't know yet. I only began to realize what homosexuality was when I saw a TV show. I then began to wonder if I was gay, and started to feel akward about it. I then found myself realizing that people do love the same sex and confused my adoration of my friend for a crush. I knew what sex was at the time (my parents let me know early on due to many questions) and found myself crossed out by the thought of kissing another girl. I then began to meet other kids who felt the same way, and funny enough, we all turned out straight. Exept one of us, but I'll leave them for another question.
Do you think the Church at large is aware enough?
I believe the church is aware, but individuals are not. People assume they are supposed to believe something and dont try to understand it.
Do you know somebody of faith impacted by homosexuality?
I am very aware of it. I have 2 friends who I found were gay, both males. One chose to keep thier faith, the other couldnt stand the prosecution he received by other christians for his sexuality. He honestly believes that he was born gay and feels he should not be denied the right to love a significant other he chooses. The friend still in fath is a transexual and bellieves that she feels to be/is a woman in a man's body. Physically she is a man, but believes otherwise and intends to get surgery to complete who she believes she is. She goes to a non denominational gay friendly church, where she feels allowed to continue to serve god.
What can we do as fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to help those who struggle?
Identify the root of the struggle. If they do not define themselves in trouble; the real question is, what do you do? This, to me, if homosexuals are born with the attraction, may not have the issue prayed away or removed. Who am I to tell them what to believe or if it is an issue. Expecially if I am nondenominational christian myself.
What types of things do you struggle with?
Honestly enough, my biggest struggles are with overindulgence, white lies, lusting over movie stars in my sleep... there are a lot of small things, to me at least.
The only people affected by a homosexual relationship are the two people in said relationship. I don't see how it makes any difference to anyone else, or why anyone thinks they have the right to try and change gay people or tell them that what they're feeling is wrong.
@bugt_SoCkS@xanga - That's the same thing as saying we shouldn't belittle a post about racism. Yeah, you're entitled to your own beliefs unless those beliefs hurt and limit the rights of others. No, no one here said "fuck gay people they're horrible and disgusting and an abomination." No one used those words. But when that's the underlining thought, it doesn't matter how nicely you word something. If you smile and politely say "I hate you," it's still hate.
I think people should be allowed to do what they want as long as they don't hurt anyone. If these Christian gays want to pretend that they're not gay or just abstain, they should go for it. Who are we to tell them not to? I feel sad for them that they feel that they must do this for their God, but ultimately it's their choice.Â
I have nothing against this overall post and poster, he was (after all) simply giving his thoughts on the show and asked what it means to other people.
But considering everyone veered away from the main point anyway, I gave my own two cents in my first paragraph. Personally, I can't imagine ever believing in a God that gave strange, arbitrary rules. "Thou shall not kill" -- fair enough. "A man cannot lie with another man" -- why? We've already covered the whole kids thing, there are too many of them as it is. 10% of the population being gay would benefit us, not hurt us. So yeah, I think it's silly but I'll repeat, if someone wants to deny their sexuality because their faith makes them happy, they should go for it.
I think God wants us all to come together and love each other. I think He is saddened by hate and separation. We are all one, we are one with this earth, with the air, with the creatures, with each other, with life. One couldn't exist without the other.
Open your eyes, stop pretending you are the judges of life, take yourself and each other as we are; imperfect.@twoBex - No need for "growth" being gay? Absolutely okay.
@DraigStudio@xanga - Amen.
@DraigStudio@xanga - I don't know if you were referring to me, since you talked about the bi thing. I hope I made it clear that by "denying my attraction" I'm referring to not acting on it sexually, not denying that it exists or trying to pray it away. We obviously disagree from what you said about the nature of the Bible (although I certainly believe that men wrote it down and certainly influenced it in some ways such as style, I believe the message is from God and as such authoritative when properly interpreted), but we're not going to resolve that debate in a comment thread so there's no point in trying.
My problem with the "who you are" point of view is that I know I have a sinful nature in ways that aren't just about my sexuality. For example, I'm prone to pride and to greed. I have an easy time as an American living a luxurious life without caring about the poor, for example. And those are just a couple quick examples. I know that pretty much all guys are driven towards inappropriate lust and expressions of sexuality, albeit typically in a heterosexual manner. So to say that my sexuality is fallen is no exception or surprise - it's like a lot of things living in a fallen world. I could excuse a lot of things with a "that's who I am" mentality.
@Just_For_Shits_And_Giggles@xanga - Regarding people who "smile and politely say 'I hate you,'" I think it's a bit of an overstatement to say that people commenting here have that underlying attitude. Does that attitude exist among various people in the Church today? Sure, absolutely it does. And that's a total shame. Jesus came to earth and loved everyone he interacted with, so why shouldn't we as Christ-followers do just the same? Again, my primary hope with this post was to educate and enlighten the world that this is a real issue affecting real people. I'm glad you mentioned that people of faith can abstain from their same-sex attractions if they believe it's what God wants, because after all, it is their life. As I'll elaborate in Part 2, I certainly won't be one to judge people of faith who find freedom in choosing the opposite path.
@DncngINthedark@xanga - For you it might be okay, but what about for people who disagree with that claim based on their faith? Don't they have the right to choose growth, just like others have the right to choose their attractions?
@twoBex - They do. And they will live a sad life imo. Growth in general is vital to quality of life. But being gay is okay. I hate when people hide behind religion just to justify their prejudice. And it IS prejudice, jsu tbecause you hate to hear it doesn't make it so.
That is all.
@DncngINthedark@xanga - So you think Alan Chambers is living a sad life right now? Is it fair to assert that of someone else even when he'll tell you otherwise?
@twoBex - is it fair for you to say they are living in sin? Meh. And yeah I think they are being untrue to themselves and tormenting themselves unnecessarily. Do you know anything about psychology? I think you are beyond stupidity. Enjoy your ignorance and prejudice.... religious zealout. Peace out Douchebag.
@DncngINthedark@xanga - Notice I've not said anything about people "living in sin." People across the board are free to live however they want and I won't judge them for it; that's not my role as a fellow human being. But again, if people want to reject their same-sex attractions, shouldn't they be free to do so? And if they claim to find freedom in their surrender, shouldn't we take them at their word instead of saying "their life is sad"?
@neo14142@xanga - Very nice response. Thank you for taking the time to give me an extended explanation that you didn't have to do. I think most everyone struggles with greed and pride and the ability to forget those who have less than us. Do not beat yourself up over it. Try to deal with it, but understand that most of us struggle with these things. And I find men attractive too, but only in an aesthetical way.