Friday, 19 November 2010

  • Christians and Witchcraft

    Not long ago, I posted some one-off quote from J.K. Rowling about the subtle Christian structure of the Harry Potter series, how she never goes into much detail about her faith because it would make the whole story "obvious."  Revelife picked up this short post, and I was surprised to see that a good number of Christians (the kind who read Revelife, anyway) feel that Harry Potter is off-limits, regardless of any underlying Christian theme.

    The mere presence of magic and its use disqualifies it.  I call this "magical thinking," not because it's about magic, but because it grants a sort of inherent power to a plot element. 

    Now, I suppose this kind of magical thinking is fine, but most Christians I know use it very selectively.  If you are opposed to your kids reading Harry Potter, you had better not be okay with them watching Pirates of the Caribbean, as piracy is as much a sin as witchcraft.

    But I don't think this kind of magical thinking is necessarily tied to Christian thinking, but rather arose along with post-Christian modernity, around the late 1500s.  We can see this by charting the way the early and medieval church approached the issue of witchcraft generally - not fictional stories about witches, but potentially real ones.  Now, to read a middle-school or high-school history textbook, you would assume the following narrative:

    Christians, like all religious people, are very superstitious and fearful of things like "demons" and "magic."  At first the church had no power, but after they became the official religion of Rome, and then of all Europe, they began, as a practice, killing witches, generally by burning or drowning.  As time went on, humans became less religious and more scientific, and began to realize that witches do not exist, so we left off killing them.   

    So, looking at this story you would expect history to be a gradual decline in the number of witch-burnings, as scientific progress became more and more generally known, and as the church became less and less powerful.  But we actually see quite the opposite.  During the so-called "Dark Ages," the punishment for witchcraft was not execution, but something akin to pastoral counseling, or in unrepentant claims, excommunication.  The primary task the Catholic church undertook when an area began suspecting witchcraft was to quell the hysteria. 

    They did this mainly by preaching that while witches may exist, they are not to be feared, as their master, Satan, had already been defeated.  When a local population wanted to drive suspected witches out of town or kill them, the clergy instead drove them to protect themselves by being faithful Christians - receiving the Eucharist, giving alms, confessing - these things protected a person from all forms of devilish attack, including witchcraft.

    Throughout most of the Middle Ages, though, belief in witchcraft altogether was discouraged by the church.  St. Patrick's Synod, in the fifth century, actually anathematized those who believe in the actual power of witches.  Charlemagne made it a crime to execute witches.  Pope Gregory VII did the same in 1080 in Denmark.  Some bishops, like Bishop Burchard of Worms, prescribed penance to those congregants who were so "timidly faithless" as to believe in the power of witches.  And when a Dominican encyclopedist named Vincent of Beauvais was confronted by a congregant claiming to be a witch with the power to slip through keyholes, he proved to her that she was mistaken by locking the door of his chamber and chasing her around the room with a stick, exhorting her to escape if she could. 

    But once the power of individual nation-states overtook the authority of the church, and once rationalism overtook the enchanted worldview of medieval Christianity, witches became something for individuals to fear and for states to use as easy scapegoats.  The early Baconian scientific worldview did not make it obvious that witchcraft did not exist, and many scientists throughout the 1600s believed witchcraft to be scientifically demonstrable.

    Rather, science recast the role of witches.  Magic now was simply tapping into naturalistic laws unknown to most people: much like chemistry.  The kind of magic we see in Harry Potter is of exactly this variety.  You just need the right tools and the right knowledge. 

    So, ironically, it was the advent of scientific rationalism that led to the kind of magical thinking these Christian opponents of Harry Potter are employing. 

    For my part, while I believe in something like the magic that permeates Tolkien's literature (and the sacraments, for that matter), I don't believe in anything like the wizarding world of Harry Potter.  But I do believe in the themes of grace, sacrifice and redemption that underscore it, and I would advise any Christian to give the books a shot.  (But my advice is to skip the first couple of books and just watch the movies.  Book three is a fine place to start.)

    What do you think?  Is there a difference between watching Harry Potter and watching Pirates of the Caribbean?  Is the magic in Harry Potter incompatible with Christian thinking?  Should we resume the practice of witch-burning? 

Comments (81)

  • silaschrysostom

    Great article. Although I condemn magic (or those who believe that through there neopagan rituals can attain magical results e.g. Wiccans), I think Harry Potter is great. It is simply a fantasy novel, and the magic involved is rather innocent, there are no demonic summonings or barbaric rituals, just simple incantations with simple spells. 


    But one thing I disagree with your article is the denunciation of witchcraft. I do not believe that the Bible would place so much emphasis on prohibiting a nonexistent activity.(Exodus 22:18). Witchcraft definitely existed, at least back then, for it to warrant Biblical refutation. As Christians we believe in God, and that God may help his chosen. On the flip-side we also believe in the Devil, and witchcraft is the Devil acting through chosen agents. Witchcraft exists, else the bible would not condemn it.
  • TheyCallMePaulNow@xanga

    Witchcraft does exist. Demons are real and quite active. Ask missionaries or look them up. And I don't believe that Christians should read Harry Potter because it's well written with good morals. Magic is magic. The Bible teaches against it. No matter how "innocent" it may seem in Harry Potter, that's just the first step down a very dark road...
    You want heroes and tales with good morals? Read the Bible.

  • SirNickDon@xanga

    @TheyCallMePaulNow@xanga - As I said, I understand that line of thinking, I just hope it's consistently applied.  We don't watch movies about witches because witchcraft is evil - we don't watch movies about pirates because piracy is evil - we don't watch movies about CIA agents who go rogue and act in defiance of U.S. and international law, because the Bible clearly teaches that it is a sin to disobey the authorities placed over us.  Etc.  

  • TheyCallMePaulNow@xanga

    To answer the questions above. I don't think either Harry Potter or Pirates of the Caribbean should be something that Christians put into their mind. The magic in Harry Potter is incompatible with Christian thinking. (The Bible teaches against magic. Why would it be good for the hero to use it?) And no. We should not resume the practice of witch burning.

  • kk_grayfox@xanga

    I wholeheartedly think that the anger at Harry Potter is simply a misguided attempt at being "holy" or "set apart" from the world (those darn religious mindsets). Any Christian who reads the books or watches the movies should recognize the clear parallels between the story and Christian themes (as you pointed out).

    Additionally, Lord of the Rings had a lovable wizard who 'practiced witchcraft', did it not? Why were there no Christians protesting those books/movies? Is it because the author was so clearly a Christian or because people could see the Christian themes more clearly? I'm inclined to think the former, but I ultimately must confess that it boggles my mind that someone could associate Harry Potter with evil. I can only imagine ignorance of the themes being the driver for the madness.

  • TheyCallMePaulNow@xanga

    @SirNickDon@xanga - I hear a lot of Christians complain about Harry Potter and yet will watch 30 Rock on TV and I agree with you that we shouldn't have double standards. We need to start acting like Christians. Thank you for bringing this to attention. I hope that I didn't come across too aggressive but it's a sore topic for me.

  • TheyCallMePaulNow@xanga

    @kk_grayfox@xanga - However wonderful the themes may be, the vehicle for which they are being delivered is not Christian. And no, I don't think that LOTR is "Christian" either. Although there is the argument that LOTR is written for a much more mature audience and that there the magic in LOTR represented something else. But I agree that if you accept LOTR as acceptable you don't have much right to say that Harry Potter is unacceptable. However, I believe that the Bible is clear and that it is us who create the "gray" areas.

  • SexyGamerGirl@xanga

    I'm not that religious so I probably shouldn't be commenting, but Harry Potter is a simple, well written, great story about a boy growing up. So what if he uses magic? It's a book! A fantasy novel. Most fantasy novels have magic. In their worlds magic isn't a "sin." I really don't understand the line of thinking that Harry Potter is evil.

    Just because I read the books doesn't mean I'm going to go out and try and do magic. Also his magic is a heck of a lot different from Wiccan magic for example. At least in my experience.

    Very interesting post. It's nice to see that not all Christians think the books are evil. I agree about the Pirate movie if you really are THAT against Harry Potter. I think people forget that some things are just meant for complete and utter entertainment like Harry and Pirates.

  • lilblucherrygrl@xanga

    "Should we resume the practice of witch-burning?"


    Well I should hope not. Or else I am fucked.

  • kiki_cuppycake@xanga

    "Should we resume the practice of witch-burning?"

    tsk tsk tsk You want the Burning Times back O_o *better hide* 
    Freedom of religion means any religion.Wiccans do respect other religions,so why don't you respect theirs? As for Harry Potter and Pirates Of The Caribbean,they're just fiction novels.Kids love imagination and they need it because it's plays a big role in their creativity.Personally,I don't see how you could convince a 9 year old to read only the Bible and some boring magic-unrelated books.
  • TheyCallMePaulNow@xanga

    @kiki_cuppycake@xanga - There are a lot of good books other than the Bible that either have Christian themes or are family friendly without having magic in them. I don't think that the post is indicating that Bible should be the only book for kids. Just that Christians shouldn't have double standards about what they believe to be moral in movies/books.

  • SirNickDon@xanga

    @lilblucherrygrl@xanga - @kiki_cuppycake@xanga - Yeah, I mainly just threw that question on at the end to mess with people who hadn't read the post very carefully.

  • Confusion_Calamity_Chaos@xanga

    I love Harry and his friends, and I think that their penchant to rid the world of all things evil is a perfect example for children everywhere, regardless of religious affiliation.

  • koopagirl@xanga
    100 eProps!

    It's kinda weird... BEFORE I became a Christian I thought Harry Potter was the stupidest thing to ever hit book shelves. I just couldn't get into it. But I was into a different "magical" book series at the time. I am a Christian now, and although I hate the books, I do like the movies. I guess I just don't like her writing style or something. The books are boring to me. But I see nothing wrong with Harry Potter or Pirates of the Caribbean or any story for that matter. I have a 3 year old and probably the only major things I wouldn't let her see is a movie with tons of violence and blood and gore or a movie with sex in it. And now that she is always repeating everything, not a whole lot of bad words.

    Also, I've heard a lot of Christians say how they just don't want their kids to turn into witches or whatever. And then you hear the people that say that's bogus... Well, when these books first came out when I was in middle school, actually a lot of the kids did practice Wicca and Witchcraft. I don't know if it's because of the book or because they were already into it. I know I was into doing spells probably in elementary school. So Idk...

    Also, isn't The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe a "Christian" story? I've always heard that. But there's definitely magic in it.

  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga

    here's a thought for all the Christian parents out there: if your kids REALLY are so weak-willed that they'd try anything they read in a book, you need parenting classes ASAP.  the same goes for Christian adults, i guess.  to be blunt, you have to be pretty unintelligent to be so influenced by a book that is not meant to influence.
     i went through a Wiccan phase, but it had nothing to do with Harry Potter.  it came after a year of searching for a better religion, and another year of studying ACTUAL books on Wicca.  

  • poetically_truthful@xanga
    1

    You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

    2

    Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth.

    3

    So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?

    4

    Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?



    No, we shouldn't kill witches, that's just stupid. Harry Potter isn't evil, that's stupid, too. Harry Potter is more or less a PRETEND magic world. I don't see the Bible condemning imagination and pretend.

    I do believe that witches have power. Not like what the movies show, but like you said, more of a Lord of the Rings thing like what the elves did. God said witchcraft is a sin. God did NOT say that witchcraft is any more of a sin than lying. The church said that. 

    I fear witchcraft a little bit because I don't understand or know much about it. But the way the church acts toward it... I feel it's a learned overreaction.
  • When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga

    KIDS SHOULD ONLY READ BOOKS FEATURING MAGIC IF THEY ARE ABOUT MY RELIGION RAHHHHH

  • lilblucherrygrl@xanga

    @SirNickDon@xanga - Lol. Well though I did read the post that definitely stood out nonetheless.

  • MisteyEyez3BrokenDreamz@xanga

    @kiki_cuppycake@xanga - I don't thing The poster was saying he wanted to do that I just think he wanted to see others points of view and what driven them to that belief.

    He was pretty clear that he didn't agree with that line of thinking...

  • DominatingThinspo@xanga

    Magic has been around far longer then Christianity and Christianity stole every idea from Magic that is why Christians believe that drinking grape juice magically turns into a living sacrament of a 2000 year old dead guy. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1543831119879192379#

  • MisteyEyez3BrokenDreamz@xanga

    @GoshenHypnosis@xanga - I wish you new my Cousin Larry. I think you two would get along very well.

    Not just based on what you said but I visited your blog and if your just as sarcastic and argumentative in person you guys would have great chemistry... lol

  • MisteyEyez3BrokenDreamz@xanga

    @MisteyEyez3BrokenDreamz@xanga - here is his facebook... idk if he has a blog or anything he might... http://www.facebook.com/#!/ChorizoDSpicy

  • MisteyEyez3BrokenDreamz@xanga

    @GoshenHypnosis@xanga - Stole or just applied it to them like everyone else does with everything?

  • Covergirl_For_Sanity_Fair@xanga

    As a witch (Wiccan), I am personally against the burning of witches.  I'm going to take a stand and say it's not good.
    As for HP, I've never read it; it's not my kind of book.  I do like to tell people I'm against it because it "promotes witchcraft to children" (and I only say that because it's funny, not because I actually believe it) but really I just think it's stupid.

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