Friday, 01 January 2010

  • The Way of War

    From Ecclasiastes 3:1, 3 & 8:  1There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven-- 3A time to kill and a time to heal;  8A time to love and a time to hate; A time for war and a time for peace.

    And so, the Christian knows in truth, that war and the time for killing and hate will inevitably come.  The purpose of this post is not to debate the immorality of pacifism but to offer the truth about the nature of war and how it must be fought in order to successfully traverse this dreadful time of killing and hate.

    For everything in life is governed by principles.  And it is by understanding the principles that govern things that we are able to design better ways of turning things to our advantage.  And so it is possible to understand the nature of war and develop better ways to navigate through it.

    Principle 1 - War Must Have a Moral Purpose

    Liberation and self-defense are examples of purposes that are moral justification for war.  Without a moral purpose, a moral people will not be able to muster the level of motivation needed to achieve total victory.

    Principle 2 - War Must Be a Last Resort

    The choice to go to war must be considered fully and must be the last moral choice undertaken to resolve the situation.  A society that forsakes sanity in order to engage in the insanity of war will be forever changed.  Though destroying the enemy brings peace, there are tremendous negative consequences of war even for the victor. 

    Principle 3 - War is Insane

    War is about annihilation, tearing down, killing, hating, hunger, misery, maiming, enslavement and endless suffering.  War may be understood as being the conscious design, creation and direction of large scale catastrophe for the purposes of mass murder and conquest. Consequently, to engage in war is to engage in prolonged, 24/7, up-to-the-eyeballs insanity. 

    Christianity is the most powerful and effective force for peace the world has ever known.  It follows then, that Christians are a people of peace. For it is in peace that we build our prosperous, opportunity-filled cultures and experience life, liberty and happiness.  By this measure it is easy to see how and why war is so insane.

    And since the practice of Christianity fosters good health in body, mind and spirit, the Christian must understand to the marrow of his bones that the enemy who wages war is unhealthy - insane.  Therefore, no reasonable means may be applied to the insane enemy since his insanity puts him beyond reason.  That leaves the application of deadly force as the means of choice with which to deal with the enemy.

    This means that the Christian must engage the insane enemy by becoming insane himself.  Consequently, the time of war must be as short as possible. 

    Principle 4 - End War Through Total Victory

    Once war starts the goal must be to completely destroy the enemy as quickly as possible.  This means that the properly executed war must be as brutal as possible.  For it is by facing the insane enemy with the maximum possible brutality that he will be destroyed as quickly as possible.  The insanity of war takes a heavy toll on sane people.  So the enemy must be crushed with all possible speed.

         Corollary 1 - Destroy the enemy without mercy, compassion, or remorse

         Corollary 2- Only talk to the enemy if he is offering his unconditional surrender

    Communication for the sake of peace is a sane activity.  As a result, a display of sanity toward the enemy during the time of war will only be seen as a sign of weakness.  This prolongs war because weakness encourages and enables the enemy.

    Such an approach to war will make it's duration as short as possible.

    How important is it for the citizens of civilized, Judeo-Christianized societies to understand the principles of war?  Since choosing to go to war is to choose to engage in insanity, is going to war a moral choice?  If it is determined that war is the moral choice to make under the right circumstances, what role do societies' leaders have in the prosecution of war?

     

Comments (56)

  • crevis05@xanga

    What do you do if the "enemy" is a Christian?  In the American Revolutionary War, many of the citizens of England thought division within the church is distinctly unchristian, so they fought to bring unity.  The American Civil War also saw the same thing; brother fighting brother, and undoubtedly Christian against Christian.  

    I agree that war is insanity, but I don't agree that those who engage in war are insane, and unable to reason.  It is unintelligent to expect an insane person, and someone who you say can't reason, to make a reasonable decision - total surrender.  Surrender would then be unreasonable.

  • FOXHOUND_HQ@xanga

    @crevis05@xanga - Peace should be the first priority, both peace in the form of agreement and lack of violence. This is true even in war, the "enemy" must always be given a way out of the conflict. In many wars, even big ones, the primary political objective is never complete domination, but to bring about a cease-fire and bring each other to the negotiation table. It is only when this option is forsaken by one side that the goal becomes total victory. 

  • scrambledmegsntoast@xanga

    Principle 4 seems to completely contradict the Church's very own Just War Doctrine.

    CCC 2314 "Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation." A danger of modern warfare is that it provides the opportunity to those who possess modern scientific weapons especially atomic, biological, or chemical weapons - to commit such crimes.


    The quote in this section is taken from Guadium Et Spec, as promulgated by Pope Paul VI. The Holy Father made it clear that acts in war cannot go beyond the bounds of "legitimate defense". How do you reconcile Principle 4 with the very words of the Holy Father?

  • LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga

    @crevis05@xanga - What do you do if the "enemy" is a Christian?


    It doesn't make any difference.  The principles of war still apply.


    I agree that war is insanity, but I don't agree that those who engage in war are insane, and unable to reason.


    Insanity does not mean the inability to reason.  Insane maniacs reason just fine.  Irrationality is the inability to reason.  The correct way to apply reason in war is to devise ways of destroying the enemy.


    It is unintelligent to expect an insane person, and someone who you say can't reason, to make a reasonable decision - total surrender.  Surrender would then be unreasonable.


    This is correct. And that is the reason for Principle 4 - End War Through Total Victory


    An enemy that is completely destroyed has no choice but to surrender.  Total victory deprives the insane enemy of any choice because his war making capability has been completely destroyed.


    He must then do the bidding of the victor which is to surrender.

  • crevis05@xanga

    @FOXHOUND_HQ@xanga - I totally agree...  but I was just wondering why the poster thought total surrender from an insane group of people is the only way out...  It doesn't make any sense...

  • FOXHOUND_HQ@xanga

    @crevis05@xanga - Yeah, I don't necessarily agree with the use of insanity. 

  • LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga

    @scrambledmegsntoast@xanga -  Principle 4 seems to completely contradict the Church's very own Just War Doctrine.


    The United States military battle plans have as one of their objectives the creation of a battlefield environment that is so hellish for the enemy that survival is impossible.


    US military battle plans also strive to ensure that civilians survive war.  Technological developments have made it possible to decimate the enemy without decimating civilian population centers.


    Due to the requirements of modern warfare (fighting against insurgents in urban areas) the United States is moving away from the doctrine of total war which was the doctrine started by Generals Grant and Sherman during the American Civil War and used successfully during World War II.

  • LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga

    @FOXHOUND_HQ@xanga - This is true even in war, the "enemy" must always be given a way out of the conflict. In many wars, even big ones, the primary political objective is never complete domination, but to bring about a cease-fire and bring each other to the negotiation table.


    This is erroneous thinking for it leaves the insane enemy alive to wage war another day.


    In such wars as the Korean conflict your strategy was used.  That strategy left all the people of North Korea under the domination of a maniac.  Meanwhile the people of the South prosper and live happy, fulfilled lives. 


    There is no greater injustice than that.


    Similar situations occurred in Vietnam and Iraq.  The same situation occurred after World War II when the US did not destory the Soviet Union after the NAZIs and Imperial Japan were defeated.


    Tens of millions of Soviets and Chinese were slaughtered because the insane maniac Joseph Stalin and his Marxist regime were not wiped from the face of the earth.

  • FOXHOUND_HQ@xanga

    @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga - I was referring to the hypothetical conflict of Christian vs. Christian.  I completely agree with you though, morality should be the guiding factor behind the peace I was referring to. Peace in the form of enslavement is not true peace.

  • LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga

    @FOXHOUND_HQ@xanga -  I was referring to the hypothetical conflict of Christian vs. Christian. 


    Interpersonal conflicts that involve an insane marauder may require the use of deadly force.  If the marauder backs down for some reason he must still be subjected to the justice system because of his threatening behavior.

  • tracezilla@lovelyish

    I believe that it is a moral choice. Sometimes, it is a necessary choice. Freedom, peace and security are not always something you get for free, unfortunately.

    However, I don't agree that you should only talk to the enemy when they are ready to totally and unconditionally surrender. I think negotiation is a very important and necessary part of war.

  • Theophilus166@xanga

    I think the Just War theory relies much more heavily on the doctrines of the Roman Empire than the teachings of Jesus.

  • TheGreatBout@xanga

    @Theophilus166@xanga - It'd say it is closer to the way of Christ that the way most people tend to live. I'd suggest Just War for people if they weren't willing to accept nonviolence.

  • Theophilus166@xanga

    @TheGreatBout@xanga - as many have pointed out, the Just War Theory can be used to justify nearly any war.  Germany's instigation of World War 2 fits the Just War Theory.

  • TheGreatBout@xanga

    @Theophilus166@xanga - I disagree. Mainly because just war theory does not exist to justify war and also because it does not justify any war.  I've never heard of any war that truly meets just war criteria. That's exactly why I love Just War Theory. In actually destroys the ability to go to war (if one submits to all the criteria). Even if I'm wrong, it certainly puts great restrictions on war and that's a good step forward.

  • TheGreatBout@xanga

    Whatever these principles may be, they certainly aren't connected to the context of the scripture in this blog outside of the fact that both are concerning war.

    History has taught us the opposite of what the OP begins to say in this blog. There is not one way to fight and win a war, there are many (some don't even require lethal force). There is no allowance for Christians to adhere to these principles because they go against the way of Christ.

  • TheGreatBout@xanga

    @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga - How does one surrender if they have already been destroyed?

  • LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga

    @TheGreatBout@xanga - How does one surrender if they have already been destroyed?


    The leaders rarely die in a war.  So once their army is destroyed and the population decimated, leaders no longer have the means to wage war.  They then have no choice but to surrender.

  • LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga

    @TheGreatBout@xanga - History has taught us the opposite of what the OP begins to say in this blog.


    Actually history has taught us exactly what is said in this blog.  That's why I wrote it.  The Chinese developed the philosophy of war centuries ago.


    If you had even the foggiest idea of what history teaches us about war and those who wage it, you would drop your immoral and murderous philosophy of pacificism like a hot potato.


    Spitting scripture will not help the woman whose baby is cut out of her womb and dumped on the floor by a maniac with a samurai sword.  Such maniacs are so far gone that annihilation is the only way to deal with them.

  • LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga

    @TheGreatBout@xanga - There is not one way to fight and win a war


    There is nothing in this blog that remotely says that there is only one way to fight a war.  However, the principles that govern war are inviolable if the intent is to win war as quickly as possible by acheiving total victor over the opponent.


    World War II and the American Civil War under Grant and Sherman are examples of wars fought according to the principles war.

  • sierrraa@xanga

    I don't see how the opening verse justifies war. Jesus says there is no time for hate because hate is murder and murder is sin. If hate can't be justified by the verse from Ecclesiastes, then war really can't either. I may have missed it, but I saw no other scriptural support for this argument.

  • LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga

    @sierrraa@xanga - I don't see how the opening verse justifies war.


    Ecclesiastes does not justify war.  It only say that it will come.


    This blog is anti-war, in fact.  But it is not pacifist.


    It clearly says that to wage war, the war must be morally justified.  If the population thinks like you and can find no justification for a war, then leaders who take the nation to war are making a big mistake.


    To do such a thing violates Principle 1  War Must Have a Moral Purpose.

  • smartsandyboy@xanga

    @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga - 

    Similar situations occurred in Vietnam
    and Iraq.  The same situation occurred after World War II when the US
    did not destory the Soviet Union after the NAZIs and Imperial Japan
    were defeated.


    You don't know even your own countries history.Shame on you.The soviets and US were allies during the world war..Cold war started much later.

    As i earlier said "War can't be justified even for liberation or self-defense."

  • LoBornlytesThoughtPalace@xanga

    @smartsandyboy@xanga - You don't know even your own countries history.Shame on you.The soviets and US were allies during the world war..Cold war started much later.


    The alliance between the US and USSR during WWII was one of convenience only.  It was a boon for the US that Hitler opened the Eastern Front against the Soviets.


    After Germany lost at Stalingrad it was all down hill after that. 


    Nevertheless, both FDR and Churchill knew that Stalin was no friend.  American General Patton got into big trouble for recommending continuing the war by annhilating the Soviets.

  • smartsandyboy@xanga

    3 to 4 million Vietnamese from both sides, 1.5 to 2 million Laotians and Cambodians, and 58,159 U.S. soldiers.
    Source:wikipedia

    What can justify so many lives lost?They were killed for no fault of theirs.Can you kill other just because they don't agree with your political views..Its easy for you to write about this sitting in the safe havens of your home..You'll know only when you are the one being affected.When some one kills your loved ones in name of religion or political views.Killing can never be justified in name of war or whatever.

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