@snarkius@xanga - Actually, it is only a disorder if it interferes in your everyday life which it doesn't for most people.  I think you confuse facts with your opinions.

Violence and abuse are reprehensible regardless of what you define as a disorder.  Defining deviancy downward does not remove the deviancy.

It only makes the deviant more comfortable.

@LoBornlyte@xanga - Ok for starters I have an IQ of 161 and am a member of MENSA International.  I have been tested for my IQ over 20 times and have always scored in the genius range so lets start comparing intellects, shall we? 

As for knowing what is right and wrong I am also a card holding member of SASM *San Antonio SMuch* a BDSM group.  And for your information BDSM covers everything from light spanking and hair pulling all the way up to whips, chains and electric charges.

And to clarify violence is an act committed with the intent to harm.  There is no intent to harm in BDSM.  You are actually safer in a BDSM environment then you would be any place else especially if you are the submissive or bottom.  The actually control is held by the one who is having stuff done to them not the one doing stuff.  Also everything is agreed to before anything starts.  Limits are set and a safe word is put into place to stop everything if said.

How many girls have been on a date with a guy they liked and gotten hot and heavy only to change their mind after the panties are off and no matter how many times she says no he doesn't stop?  Now ask anyone involved in the scene lifestyle how many times a bottom or submissive has to say the safe word to stop everything.  Want to know the answer... ONCE! Anyone in the scene lifestyle who doesn't follow that rule is banned from involvement by the community and their information is spread around.

I can understand your misunderstanding of BDSM and even your ignorance in believing it is about violence.  But I hope you will either seek information and knowledge before you pass judgment, even though your own bible tells you not to judge others or at least be smart enough not to speak on matters you have no truthful understanding of in the first place.

Thank you kindly. 

@fugita@xanga - Wow, you said that way better than I did.  Thanks!

@fugita@xanga - That is a very interesting practice.  I wonder why I have never heard it before; it makes perfect sense.  One of my former friends said her therapist told her she would get over it eventually without any steps she could take practically to help the process.  I wonder how long that type of therapy will take to spread to the Bible Belt.

@snarkius@xanga -  Since when is BDSM correlated with violence and abuse?  Some people enjoy being tied up and blindfolded because they are too ticklish and want the anticipation of what is going to happen. 

Yeah right!

@fugita@xanga - But I hope you will either seek information and knowledge before you pass judgment, even though your own bible tells you not to judge others or at least be smart enough not to speak on matters you have no truthful understanding of in the first place.

I haven't mentioned the Bible once.  You are the one preoccupied with the Bible.  That's because you are a self admitted pervert with a guilty conscience.

I know right from wrong.  And I know that people like you who habitually do wrong spend incredible amounts of energy rationalizing away your evil.

The fact is that you are wicked.  There is no getting around it.  You stink of death, perversion and paradise lost. 

All your fool words only fool yourself.  You can't hide who and what you really are.

@snarkius@xanga - It's not like we hoist people up in the air against their will and beat them mercilessly.

By "we" do you mean you and the rat in your pocket or are you laying claim to the title "Pervert Spokesman"?

@LoBornlyte@xanga - See that is the funny part right there.  I have no fetishes.  I joined the group because I was interested in the lifestyle. The fact that I stated I have only ever had one girlfriend who was into the lifestyle and do not require a partner who is into the lifestyle should of made my point clear. 

Sexual Fetishism is the sexual arousal brought on by any object, situation or body part not conventionally viewed as being sexual in nature. 

My girl is a beautiful young woman who is fit, healthy and has a wonderful personality.  What I am attracted to in her is her kind heart, sweet nature and on the physical side her beautiful green eyes which I noticed first and secondly her lovely smile, which has a way of making my worst days better! 

So as you can see there is nothing unconventional in what I am attracted to in her.  It is a common misnomer that the BDSM lifestyle is all about sexual fetishism.  There are people who are into BDSM simply because they enjoy roll playing.  One plays the boss the other the employee hoping to keep their job or pizza delivery person and customer *there are many more but I won't list them all*.  There are people who simply enjoy spanking, or being tied up.  BDSM covers are group of different things and just because you enjoy doing something doesn't make it a fetish.  A fetish by definition is something that is need to be aroused.  And many in the lifestyle don't need the lifestyle to have a healthy sex life with their partner.  Like I said I enjoyed the lifestyle when I was involved in it fully with my girlfriend who was into the lifestyle.  But neither her nor I needed to tie each other up every time we had sex.  It was something we enjoyed from time to time.  Much like some people enjoy going bike riding but don't need to do it everyday.  It becomes a sexual fetish when you need it to be aroused.  Otherwise is it simply something you enjoy. 

So before you start calling people perverts please think and learn.  You would be surprised the people who enjoy going to these BDSM events.  It might be your next door neighbor, or the cop who patrols your area, it could even be a teacher at your kids school, or like me someone who has been certified by the Vatican to teach CCD classes in the Catholic Church! Yes I used to teach 6th to 12th graders CCD classes and even once taught a conformation class before I left the Catholic Church and became a Spiritual Agnostic.  But I still hold a Vatican Certificate signed by Pope John Paul II, himself.  I completed all required training to be certified to teach in the Catholic Church.  Oh and I have also been vetted by the FBI, Homeland Security, and the Federal Trade Commission to handle sensitive data. Like the information that passes through the stock exchanges.  I have worked at some of the major companies handling data that controls airline traffic, credit card transactions and even stock trades done with your own 401k funds *Sungard SFS, the only company in the world that automates the short sells of mutual funds between companies aka company 401k*. 

per⋅vert   [v. per-vurt; n. pur-vert]

–verb (used with object)

1. to affect with perversion.
2. to lead astray morally.
3. to turn away from the right course.
4. to lead into mental error or false judgment.
5. to turn to an improper use; misapply.
6. to misconstrue or misinterpret, esp. deliberately; distort: to pervert someone's statement. 7. to bring to a less excellent state; vitiate; debase.
8. Pathology. to change to what is unnatural or abnormal.
9. to convert or persuade to a religious belief regarded as false or wrong.

–noun

10. a person who practices sexual perversion.
11. Pathology. a person affected with perversion.
12. a person who has been perverted, esp. to a religious belief regarded as erroneous.

 I honestly don't see how you can judge a person to be a pervert until you one know them and two know what a pervert actually is.  I have in no way tried to lead you to engage in any type of actions. I simply want to clear up and educate you on what BDSM actually is and is not.  But I get the impression you have a closed mind and will not listen to anything I or anyone else tells you because your mind is already made up. And that is fine you have that right.  

So I will close with these two quotes:

“Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.” Confucius

“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.” Benjamin Franklin.

@snarkius@xanga - LOL... nice one! But I am going to leave this individual alone because I feel no need to engage in a debate with someone who has lowered themselves to personal attacks and is no longer engaged in intellectual debate on any level.  I invite you to join me in ending this matter since I can see no possible end other then the degradation of the debate to simple name calling.  

@fugita@xanga - Anything commented after this point would likely be redundant anyways.

@snarkius@xanga - so very true! 

Well for the Christians couples who engage in it, or might think about engaging in it how about the old question "What Would Jesus Do?" The whole point of BDSM is, after all, self-gratification. And if sex isn't enough for the Christian, then by applying BDSM is going to push something that isn't supposed to be pushed. BDSM is all about humiliation, and if you lead your spouse into doing it, then according to the rules of BDSM, the dominatrix has the power to verbally abuse the husband out in general public. Now ask yourself, would this be acceptable in Jesus' eyes?