Tuesday, 08 December 2009
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The Pope's iPod includes Tupac?
The official Vatican Myspace playlist includes Tupac's "Changes" from 2Pac Greatest Hits, which was released after his death. Despite the song including the usual uses of the "N" word, the song also includes references to selling and smoking crack and assorted pimp smacking. Personally, I love the song and the Vatican site explains that "all these artists share the aim to reach the heart of good minded people."
I imagine that this choice will cause controversy in some uptight Catholic circles nonetheless. The song already has nearly three times as many plays as the next closest, Muse's "Uprising", another great choice!
Do you think it is going too far for the Vatican to choose a song by Tupac in an official playlist?
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Clearly this is proof that Catholics hate the Bible and that we worship Mary as a goddess and we're really behind the Freemasons, who are in reality Reptilians and were behind the 9/11 attacks and other insidious government plots like fluoridated drinking water and rainbows.
Sorry Meg, I just had to
As for the question - meh, I think that the Vatican should have been a bit more careful but in the end, music is only as harmful as you want it to be.
tupac is very poetic and in many of his songs he speaks of how thankful and greatful he is to God regardless of all his struggles. Tupacs songs are his real life testimoneys. if their is a church, and believers, there will be stories of changes and struggles, some worse than others but in the end we are alll humans. i dont see anythign wrong with this.
omg, they're all going to hell. God hates Tupac.
Honestly, I'm proud of the vatican.
If he listens to his ipod sitting in the pope chair, does that make his playlist ex-cathedra?
I really don't have time to stick my nose into the pope's business. The fact that tupac may be within the list of the Ipod of the vatican, may be because:
1- it was originally on there before they purchased it, and they just never took the time to remove it.
2- The pope might love to dance in his room on hiphop and break beat
3- The pope might investigate tupac to see if it's allowable for christians to listen to that crap
4- it might be a media stunt
5- It might be so that we'd understand that whatever someone else does should be none of our business...
Isn't it funny how we talk just about everything and anyone, but as soon as someone gets murdered in front of our eyes, or something horrible happens, and we know our lives could be in danger once we start talking, that all of a sudden we don't talk no more?
Isn't it funny we're no longer willing or daring to do the right thing?
We talk when we shouldn't, and we're silent when we shouldn't.
I've never heard the song, so I can't really comment on it specifically. But, the Vatican having a Myspace page with a good playlist only goes to show that the Catholic Church does have a place in modern society.
@QuantumStorm@xanga - Rofl.
i suddenly admire him a lot more.
"Music
like religion, unconditionally brings in its train all the moral
virtues to the heart it enters, even though that heart is not in the
least worthy."- Jean Baptiste Montegut
No.
He has FAR better songs than just "Changes", they could've chosen something along the lines of "Unconditional love" or "Only God can judge me".
Of course "Changes" definitely talks about what the world needs right now, which it's good to see the Pope is taking notice of.
I don't care what the Pope is listening to
I have plenty of music on my iPod that I listen to because I think it's good music with a good message not necessarily made by faithful or Christian musicians. if I think it's okay for me to listen to music like that, then I think it's okay for him to listen to it too.
How can you hope to change the world without encountering it? Some of Tupac's stuff is very insightful, and definitely engages the brokenness of the culture he lived in. We can't show love to our society by belittling its culture. I would argue that today's contemporary Christian music is no more biblical than most rap music; who are we to look down on others? I think that, even if the culture of our society is pagan, it can give us perspective on how to engage, challenge, and better it.
Instead of always looking in, and looking after our own, the Church needs to look out. Why is there a music industry geared toward an audience consisting of almost exclusively church-goers? We need to be ministering not only to our own, but also to our broken world, because we are as broken as "everybody else." By insulating ourselves in the Christian bubble, we are more than useless, deepening the divide between "them" and "us." We are salt and light. What use has salt that is no longer salty, or light that is hidden?
Christ himself went to the IRS agents, prostitutes, and terrorists. In a way, products of culture, in music, movies, books, etc. are expressions of the tortured soul of the world. Do you hear their cry?
@Vacantwhispers@xanga - Agree.
Pope Benedict clearly hasn't heard of Sufjan Stevens.
I don't care what the Vatican listens to.
@Nathanmon - We should tell him. I think he'd be a fan.
As i said in the on the original post, I am glad to see the Pope showing that there are diamonds in dirt and we should pay attention to those diamonds and take them with the dirt just as Jesus does.
At least it wasn't Miley Cyrus or Lady Gaga
From an initial reaction, I think that's assuming A LOT when they say that ALL the artists are thinking like that. Tupac is dead, so I don't think we can ask him what is actually intentions were today.
@TheGreatBout@xanga is right, that there are diamonds in the rough...but let's be careful in who we decide are real diamonds and who are just masquerading. Many artists have true, God-given talent, but it's a stretch, I think, to assume all of them are trying to reach good-minded people. It doesn't take long to realize that many of these artists aren't even "good-minded" themselves.
@sarahzthoughts@xanga - I'll take Miley over Tupac or Lady G any day. I saw her movie and thought it had more heart to it - music and all - that many other movies that are out these days.
@NaitoOfNarnia@xanga - I don't think reaching "good-minded" people should be our goal. It's the sick that need a doctor. And we must be careful that we don't consider ourselves "healthy."
@Unfettered_Mind@xanga - I agree.
Where I might disargree is that we shouldn't exclude making it our goal to reach those who are "good-minded", as they need encouragement to keep doing the good they are doing just like we need to help those who are not doing good to do good.
My point was that the Vatican seemed, to me, to be making the assumption that the goal of such artists was to reach good minded people, yet their lyrics seemed to be saying the contrary.
Jesus had Tupac on His iPod before Tupac was even born.
@NaitoOfNarnia@xanga -
Ah, I see what you're saying. I suppose my argument would then be with the stated aim of the Vatican.
But that said, I do think, regardless of what Tupac intended through that track, people can see his description of his strata of society and the culture that existed there, and be moved to effect change. In that way, it's like Jesus can use Tupac's art to speak to us.
@subSacred@xanga - I think I know what you're saying, and if I'm right, GOOD POINT! :) Reminds me of what God told Jeremiah the prophet, "Before you were, I knew you."
@Unfettered_Mind@xanga - Ah, good point. :) Let us not stand around and judge but rather be moved with compassion and action.
i don't think that it really matters, and i don't really care. 2pac was spiritual in some of his songs.