Sunday, 15 November 2009
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Christians in Government
Jesus called them [His disciples] together and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
-- Matthew 20:25-28
I do not wish to be a ruler. I do not strive for wealth. I refuse offices connected with military command. I despise death.-- TatianThe desire to rule is the mother of heresies.-- John Chrysostom
Emperors could only believe in Christ if they were not emperors - as if Christians could ever be emperors.-- Tertullian
It's the same old story of the forbidden fruit - it's the beautiful things that get us. It's the things that seem good, but are not quite of God, that steer us off the course of holiness into destructiveness. The bishops and elders of the church had good things in mind. Weary after years of suffering cultural prejudice, prison terms, and state-sanctioned executions, the leaders of the Way saw these new propositions of the state as a possible way to end their marginalization and spread the good news of Jesus to as many people as possible. Influencing politicians, or even becoming people of political influence themselves, they could make their way of life standards for the whole empire. Not only would their persecutions end, but they could finally see their way of life adopted by everyone. Now the church could be relevant. In their pursuit of "making disciples of every nation" and baptizing all those within the empire, they stumbled into baptizing the empire itself, thus turning sacrament into sacrilege, producing what so many liberal and conservative Christians want today - an empire, run on the blood of Jesus Christ, a holy Christian state.-- Shane Caliborne, Jesus for President
The way we advance the kingdom of God is by being the unique kingdom of God in contrast to the kingdom of the world.-- Greg Boyd, Myth of a Christian NationIt is difficult for me to see why Christians would desire to be politicians or attempt to turn the United States into a nation ruled by an iron fist that they claim belongs to the selfless Christ. It seems completely backwards to me. Even in a democracy it seems strange to me. What is the point in converting a nation by altering it's operations when God has already commissioned us to be His people as foreigners in the world who point to His already present kingdom (not to mention He has all ready overcome the powers and their disobedience is no threat to His kingdom)? It seems to me that it is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to be a Christian and a power wielding member of a government.
The Church exists to serve the world and bring it under the lordship of Christ while the authorities/powers of the world seek to rule over others by force. John Howard Yoder illustrated this contrast by saying the state rules by the sword (Romans 13:4) while Jesus rules by the towel (John 13:1-17). Jesus instructs his disciples to be like Him and to do as He does. There is no instruction for His followers to pursue a political career of any sorts but rather to simply manifest His kingdom.
What motivation do you think there is for Christians to pursue a political career? Do you think it problematic for a Christian to pursue a political career? What is your reaction to the quotes by the three early church fathers?
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Comments (54)
I would be willing to be a mayor, I think, or anything up to that level. I mean, in certain circumstances. I wouldn't be the mayor of New York, but I would be the mayor of Valley Center, KS. Any city which is truly a voluntary arrangement of people. I mean, somebody has to decide which intersections get yield signs and which get stop signs. I think Christians can do that.
Maybe I'm too optimistic, though.
when Scripture says "And whatever you do..." that whatever is never qualified... so if a Christian enters the political... that's a "whatever" if I'm reading my English correctly and defining it correctly... then i vote yes... no pun intended on Christians entering politics...
but I think it's also important to finish that verse as well... which goes on to say "... do it all in the Name of the Lord Jesus."
So if a Christian is in the running for an office of political stature, then be the best stinkin, God honoring, Scripture adhering, Christ exalting politician you can be to serve the people you represent...
that goes the same for pastors, baristas, social workers, bond traders, models, photographers, musicians, video game designers and etc etc etc...
I'm actually writing a paper on Christian anarchism at the moment. I believe that a truly christian society would look much like a stable, peaceful anarchist one. I doubt that either will ever be realized.
@leadworshipper82 - But you know that 'whatever' is qualified. You wouldn't support a Christian becoming the best, God-honoring, scripture-adhering, Christ-exalting porn star they can be.
So the question is whether somewhere else in the New Testament sheds light on whether Christians could be in government. Romans 12-13 seems to imply that Christians and rulers have complementary but distinct roles in God's economy. After all, Christians should model Christ's forgiveness of enemies and should love unconditionally, but the President can't forgive our enemies and be a good President.
@SirNickDon@xanga - well then... you clearly missed the whole God-honoring notion entirely...
If you read the quoted passage from Matthew 20 closely, it does not explicitly forbid or even discourage participation in government; only that one should not expect or seek to be served but to serve. I hardly see that as a disqualification or contraindication for Christians in government. Christians should regard elected public service with great caution and forethought, but should not abandon it by any means; to do so would mean leaving principles of civil society entirely up to secular methods and reasoning, which is strikes me as a fairly non-redemptive view of the world.
@leadworshipper82 - Right, but the question is whether Christians honor God serving in government, which (like being a porn star or anything else) has to be decided externally from that passage. I put forward Romans 12-13 as teaching Christians to honor God in a way incompatible with God's role for government.
@Diogenes - I'd love to read that.
@Diogenes - Myself as well, if you wouldn't mind!
Christians are simply far too worried about forcing everyone else to be like them. They're fighting for political roles and sending their kids to Jesus Camps to get brainwashed to learn how to fight for their political party and "take back America for Christ." They're tactful. They know exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it - they want to force their world-view on everyone else, and what better way than by taking over America via a political party?
The last thing Jesus said was to go out and make disciples of all nations. If disciples make up the people of these nations, who is going to run the governments if most everyone is Christian?
Do we import Bhuddists and Muslims?
So the notion that somehow Christians must remain outsiders to government is not very reasonable.
The problem with learning about life from a book is that you miss out on reality. Simple common sense for Christians says that morality is good and morality in government is good.
Also, the notion that Christians are a special group of persecuted outsiders no longer serves. It hasn't served for centuries. The early disciples followed Christ's directive and evangelized the entire Greco-Roman world.
Christianity went from a being a persecuted religion to being the coin of the realm.
Renegades such as the OP need to focus more on evangelizing modern people who struggle in a materialistic world.
Somehow trying to pound the round peg that is modern day Christianity into the square whole that was antiquity seems a bit futile. Kind of like pounding your head against wall.
@SirNickDon@xanga - the question you are posing is to suggest that Christians are to exclude themselves from politics and the way you exegete that idea is from your basis of Romans 12-13 as far as I'm aware of (correct me if I'm wrong on this)... to which I would again suggest in Colossians that the "whatever" isn't qualified when what one is doing is done in the name of Jesus... which MEANS, you can't be a porn-star in the name of Jesus... it's counter-intuitive... i'm wondering what you mean by "externally"...
the way I see the text you proposed... is that Christians are to honor God through the government... which is why the text tells us to respect, pay our taxes, honor heads of states... because God has Sovereignly placed them there and so to honor God would mean for us to pay our taxes etc... I don't see anything in the passage you presented that suggests Christians exclude themselves from the government... but it more so suggests that we honor God via the government God set up... and if indeed a Christian is placed in a high government position... that Christian should honor God and exalt Christ by doing what Scripture says concerning character, leadership, and service to the people he/she has been placed...
if i'm missing what you're saying, please correct me... cuz from what I gathered from your comment, this is what I interpreted...
It is difficult for me to see why Christians would desire to be politicians or attempt to turn the United States into a nation ruled by an iron fist that they claim belongs to the selfless Christ.
There are tons of Christians already serving in government, always have been.
Zero iron fist.
Christianity just isn't that way
Then how do we influence policies like capital punishment?
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@LoBornlyte@xanga -
Somehow trying to pound the round peg
that is modern day Christianity into the square whole that was
antiquity seems a bit futile.
So we should ignore important, obvious, and timeless messages of the Bible to suit our needs?
@foxes_have_holes@xanga - So we should ignore important, obvious, and timeless messages of the Bible to suit our needs?
Absolutely not! In fact all of my comments for this post stand for the complete opposite. The OP thinks that every Christian other than his most holy self is evil and should therefore stay cloistered away out of the public eye.
I favor the opposite. Since Christianity teaches profound morality and ethic that makes Christians ideal candidates for representative government positions and the OP should keep himself cloistered away out of the public eye.
@LoBornlyte@xanga - But what about the position of humility? How do we be humble and be in power? And how can a nation support a Christian as a candidate if their allegiance is to another kingdom?
@foxes_have_holes@xanga - But what about the position of humility? How do we be humble and be in power?
We simply follow the example of Jesus who was all powerful Lord of the universe and yet was humble.
God is humble by nature. We are created in his image and so strive to be humble like him. Our worldly status is irrelevant.
And how can a nation support a Christian as a candidate if their allegiance is to another kingdom?
The answer is simple. Christians are commanded to love their neighbor. All governance is about public service. People need to know that they can count on Christians who run for public office. Christians have an obligation to be honest, moral, caring public servants.
@LoBornlyte@xanga - "The OP thinks that every Christian other
than his most holy self is evil and should therefore stay cloistered
away out of the public eye."
@TheGreatBout@xanga - It is difficult for me to see why Christians would desire to be politicians or attempt to turn the United States into a nation ruled by an iron fist that they claim belongs to the selfless Christ. It seems completely backwards to me. Even in a democracy it seems strange to me.
Thus my assessment: "The OP thinks that every Christian other
than his most holy self is evil and should therefore stay cloistered
away out of the public eye."
@LoBornlyte@xanga - So because it is difficult for me to understand and it seems strange and backwards to me you believe I think people are evil and that I am holier than others? I am only expressing my struggle by those statements. I wasn't making definite claims by those statements. I don't see the connection between me expressing struggle with this idea and how that shows me thinking other Christians are evil, that I am holier than others, and that everyone but me should keep out of the public eye. Can you explain that connection to me please?
@fallingraindrop@xanga - "...the notion that somehow Christians must remain outsiders to government is not very reasonable."
Without giving my full opinion on the matter I'll say that with the government in the United States, I'd agree to an extent. There has to be a healthy balance. The early church decided on leaders based upon whether or not the person would be capable of governing over an entire city (which was a bit different than now however) since they believed that the leaders of the church would one day govern cities when the new earth is established. While that says more about character examination than it does about political involvement we can't abandon reason. Surely Christians must be involved in their communities and enrich the world they live in (like salt), but they have to remain bright and contrast to the darkness around them (like light). I'd say there is a great difference between Christians running a government and having a hand in the micro-activity of a government within a local context. I have much more difficulty with the idea of Christians running government than I do with them playing a small role in government activity.
@railfan@xanga - Everybody has a vote and people can organize movements. Also remember there are a lot of Christians who are pro capital punishment and a lot who are against capital punishment.