Wednesday, 28 October 2009

  • Amos & The U.S. Church: What Do You See?

    Amos & The U.S. Church I don't usually use the Message. I'm not much of a fan, but today as I was reading Amos I decided to reread portions in the Message and enjoyed it so much I thought I'd share it.

    Amos 6:1-7 (The Message)
    Woe to you who think you live on easy street in Zion, who think Mount Samaria is the good life. You assume you're at the top of the heap, voted the number-one best place to live. Well, wake up and look around. Get off your pedestal. Take a look at Calneh. Go and visit Great Hamath.    Look in on Gath of the Philistines.Doesn't that take you off your high horse? Compared to them, you're not much, are you?

     Woe to you who are rushing headlong to disaster!
       Catastrophe is just around the corner!
    Woe to those who live in luxury
       and expect everyone else to serve them!
    Woe to those who live only for today,
       indifferent to the fate of others!
    Woe to the playboys, the playgirls,
       who think life is a party held just for them!
    Woe to those addicted to feeling good—life without pain!
       those obsessed with looking good—life without wrinkles!
    They could not care less
       about their country going to ruin.

    But here's what's really coming:
       a forced march into exile.
    They'll leave the country whining,
       a rag-tag bunch of good-for-nothings.

    How do you see this applying to the Church in the United States today?
    How do you react to this as a Christian in the United States?

Comments (7)

  • anonymous

     I only see it in those who come to church only for more status, I see it in those who go to church, yet they judge other people's acts, I see it in my friends and family and I can only pray that I am not guilty of the same thing; the thought of which scares me to death.  I know we can not see the content of others' souls, but I observe with my eyes and ears, and it makes me so sad when I hear about certain family members coming home for weekends not to visit with family, but to go off getting intoxicated and indulging in other pleasures of this life.  They know how I feel, where I stand, and how it hurts me, but perhaps I am way to subtle. 
      It is also absurd to think that people can live pain free.  It is often through emotional hurt and other forms that we live and grow and flourish as Christians.  People should know that Christianity is not a feel good religion.  People should know that they are meant to adapt their own lives to Christianity, they should NOT create their own religion so that it conforms to their lives, which unfortunately I see going on a lot in the people I care about and love.

  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga

    i think American Christians should stop envying martyrdom and suffering and be happy for what they have.  where does it say that living in the moment prevents you from caring about others?  where does it say that having it good is guaranteed to turn you apathetic? 

    just because your religion accepts suffering as inevitable, that doesn't mean you should turn masochistic and seek it out.  and if that is what you're doing, suck it up and actually go to a country where being Christian is ultimately illegal.  live in a theocracy where your beliefs become a matter of national security.  and then come back and tell me with a straight face that American Christians are being persecuted.  

  • WLCALUM@xanga

    Yeah, when it comes to materialism, we've had it so good for so long in this land, it's so easy for Christians to be tempted to forget for too long a time that this world is not our permanent home. I wonder how well we'd take it if we were to suddenly lose these modern-day conveniences.

  • SirNickDon@xanga

    The passage that always gives me chills when I read it and think about the American church is James 5:

    "Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your
    gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you
    and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you
    failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against
    you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord
    Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter."

  • HLPU@xanga

    I don't.  We must be careful about taking the prophets out of context and applying parts to 'our present day country' as if we somehow are a 'chosen nation' in the same manner as Israel.  Amos was writing as a warning to people who rejected God although they promised never to stray from God who delivered them out of the hand of bondage in Egypt.  Consequently, they needed a savior.


    They are not we.  Amos gives witness to the coming Messiah.  He does not write about the United States of America.

  • TrumvilleOrbison@xanga

    the minor prophets are my favorite books in the bible. i think they really do have a lot to say to today's church and today's countries. no, we aren't the country being written up with such animosity...but we do share a lot of the same characteristics, and it makes sense to look at criticisms like this with the intention of learning from them and becoming more aware of what we're doing wrong ourselves. the point isn't always to put the blame elsewhere. we're really good at that. it's high time we accepted responsibility for many of the same offenses amos and other prophets condemned in the ancient world, and then FIX THEM.

  • theworldiswatchingyou@xanga

    @too_pretty_to_die@xanga - It doesn't sound like this passage is talking about being persecuted at all, but actually talks about how good the Israelites had it: they lived in luxury and cared only about their comfort.  The goal of Christianity isn't to seek out harm to oneself, but a goal is not to fear it.  When we live in fear about our comfort or well being we will find innumerable reasons not to give all we have to help other people.  We should be incredibly thankful for how good we have it, as you said, but we shouldn't fear losing it.


    @WLCALUM@xanga - It's not the material wealth that is the problem, though.  There were many wealthy people in the Bible who were still godly (Abraham, Joseph, Daniel etc).  I think how we would handle losing everything would depend on our individual relationships with God.  We may fare better than we realize.  It is much harder to give away all we have voluntarily, than it is to merely adjust once it has been taken from us.


    @HLPU@xanga - It's true that the US is not a chosen nation (and it bugs me, too, when people speak as though it is), but we (as followers of Christ, adopted by God the Father and grafted into the family) are a chosen people.  Also, we are all still in need of a Savior. 
    We should be careful not to reinterpret the prophets to make them say something they didn't say, but we can always apply the Word to life in general.  Even life today.  After all, if it wasn't right for them to live for themselves back then, it's probably still not right to do today.

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