Sunday, 25 October 2009

  • Pandora: A Judgment-Free Zone

    By R-J at The Mockingbird Blog

    There is a very interesting article in this week's New York Times Magazine about Pandora, the free internet music service that creates custom playlists based on your personal music preferences. I am a huge Pandora fan.

    Most interesting, for Mockingbirds, is how the absence of judgement (i.e. law) in Pandora creates the space for love (of music) to flourish. Pandora's entire system depends on a group of music experts evaluating songs in the most objective, least judgmental way possible, which often leads to unexpected musical connections for listeners, as is recounted in the following humorous anecdote:

    Westergren (Pandora's founder) likes to tell a story about a Pandora user who wrote in to complain that he started a station based on the music of Sarah McLachlan, and the service served up a Celine Dion song. “I wrote back and said, ‘Was the music just wrong?’ Because we sometimes have data errors,” he recounts. “He said, ‘Well, no, it was the right sort of thing — but it was Celine Dion.’ I said, ‘Well, was it the set, did it not flow in the set?’ He said, ‘No, it kind of worked — but it’s Celine Dion.’ We had a couple more back-and-forths, and finally his last e-mail to me was: ‘Oh, my God, I like Celine Dion.'

    This particular listener would have never realized the horrifying, liberating truth that he likes Celine Dion if Pandora had rated music based on taste, which is, by definition, judgmental. As the author writes:

    What Pandora’s system largely ignores is, in a word, taste. The way that Gasser or Westergren might put this is that it minimizes the influence of other people’s taste. Music-liking becomes a matter decided by the listener, and the intrinsic elements of what is heard. Early on, Westergren actually pushed for the idea that Pandora would not even reveal who the artist was until the listener asked. He thought maybe that structure would give users a kind of permission to evaluate music without even the most minimal cultural baggage. “We’re so insecure about our tastes,” he says.

    Simply put, the absence of judgment in Pandora creates the freedom for people to discover what they actually love, rather than what they're supposed to. As a pastor myself, I see my role in the spiritual formation of my congregation as fostering the type of non-judgmental, gospel-induced freedom that allows for love and creativity to blossom. I may have my ideas of what "living by the Spirit" looks like, my own personal "taste", but imposing this on others will invariably quench the movement of the Spirit in their own lives.

    Of course, whether or not liking Celine Dion could be called a fruit of the Spirit is another question...

Comments (15)

  • aznspartan94@xanga

    I just listen to Pandora while I'm doing other work, and if I like something, then I click the button that says "like." Who cares who the artist is if he/she is good?

  • scrambledmegsntoast@xanga

    Plus, you can always insert your own judgment. If the guy didn't like Celine Dion, he could have thumbs downed it and Pandora would have never played her again. I have to do that a lot with my Dashboard Confessional station.

    But I thought that Pandora was not judgmental precisely because it is not people making the song connections. My understanding is that it is computers running special software that listen for similar styles of tone and such in music.

  • MagisterTom@xanga

    @scrambledmegsntoast@xanga - I was actually thinking the same, that it is a computer that does the work.

    My stations don't play Celine Dion though, I don't listen to anything remotely that bad. :P

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    The application of judgement is the application of intellect.  There is nothing wrong with that.  The notion that it is somehow wrong to make judgments that help us design the texture of our own lives simply doesn't make sense.


    We were created as free and creative beings.  Our judgement is part of our creative nature.

  • penguinconspiracies@xanga

    @LoBornlyte@xanga - Agreed. To tie this back into the post, it means we can incorrectly apply judgments that otherwise limit what may be beneficial or desirable to us. Perhaps the point, then, is that rather than a judgment-free zone, we need a place where we are exposed to variable judgments. I'm not so sure I'm performing good logic.

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    @penguinconspiracies@xanga - Perhaps the point, then, is that rather than a judgment-free zone, we need a place where we are exposed to variable judgments.


    In this way we develop the ability to make good judgements (wisdom).

  • TheGreatBout@xanga

    My main Pandora stations are Bob Marley, Stanton Moore, Shawn Mullins, Radiohead. I only use Pandora for chill days.

  • modernmelody

    I've been a huge fan of Pandora for a long, long time, and I've discovered many a new favorite musician on the site.  My stations are Sufjan Stevens, The Decemberists,  Ladytron, Doves, and Margot and the Nuclear So and Sos. 

  • TheSutraDude@xanga

    I was raised on western classical music. When I was a teenager rock won me over. Frank Zappa slipped in there somewhere and then through Jack Bruce I became aware of John McLaughlin which led me to Miles Davis, then John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman, Albert Ayler and I was full into free jazz. Somehow that led me to the classical music of northern India and I was soon listening to Ustad Vilayat Khan as well as others. At the same time someone said I absolutely had to listen to a song called "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" by Joni Mitchell whom I had earlier dismissed but suddenly loved. At some point I bought a synthesizer and music software to compose film music. Upon hearing this a British friend told me I had to listen to a band called Orbital. That's when techno won me over as I listened to them and groups like Underworld, Chemical Brothers and The Crystal Method. Then I dated a girl who turned me onto Alison Krauss,  Imogen Heap, Korn, Sarah Brightman, The Postal Service, and many other artists. I enjoy all of the above and countless others. I know that's not the point of your article but you might take some inference from it. 

  • modernmelody

    @TheSutraDude@xanga - I think there's something to be said for ones experiences in music, particularly becoming more open to new music that you might not have thought of listening to before.  Like the story in the article, coming to realize the person liked Celine Dion, our musical tastes can often surprise us!  I'm glad you shared, especially because The Chemical Brothers are awesome. 

  • TheSutraDude@xanga
    @modernmelody - Thank you. 

    "I'm glad you shared, especially because The Chemical Brothers are awesome."

    Haha they are! I saw them perform once. One thing I became aware of when I started writing electronic dance tracks is that, while rock and roll is the big thing in the U.S. electronic music is big throughout the rest of the world. It's similar to American football and the football the rest of the world goes crazy over, which we call soccer. I'm not judging. It's just interesting. What's also interesting is how much techno and electronic dance has effected the music we hear in commercials, TV shows, and pop and rock. I almost died laughing when years ago I noticed an effect used in Cher's voice on her song "Believe", you know, the song where she sings "Do you believe in love". The effect is used on her voice as she sings the word "believe". That's not what made me laugh. I laughed when a Brit musician said, "I'm glad to see Cher has finally discovered techno". It just hit a funny bone. That very same effect, created by a program called Auto-Tune by a music software company called Antares has been used since so much in rock, hip hop...I've even heard it in country western.
    Anyway, yeah Chemical Brothers are great. I love Music:Response and Under the Influence. In fact I love that whole cd. "Hey girl. Hey boy. Some star DJs. Here we go!" cracks me up. 
  • Xcite_Me@xanga

    Thank God for Pandora.

  • Pcgecko85@xanga

    Pandora has helped to expand my catalog of bands.  I enjoy reading the band bio as I listen to them. Some of my stations are: Thrash Metal, Black Metal, Death Metal, Power metal and Progressive Metal.  Usually I do quick mix unless I'm feeling in the mood for a specific station.

  • TrumvilleOrbison@xanga

    looooooooove pandora. i have so many stations..haha.

  • curlilou@xanga

    I absolutely LOVE Pandora! It introduces me to artists I would have never found otherwise.

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