Friday, 23 October 2009
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Against Male Ordination?
The following was presented by Dr. David Scholer at the Fuller Follies (Fuller’s annual spoof/talent show) in 1998. I came upon it this week after one of his current students posted it on her blog.
Now to be VERY clear, I am not posting this to be belligerent, to in any way suggest men should not be ordained, or to offer an overly simplistic response to a truly complex issue. I do, however, appreciate the way in which this satirical nod to the debate of women in ministry challenges our imaginations. There are some good arguments against women’s ordination, but there are also some bad ones. This list addresses some of the arguments that are more cultural than Scriptural.
Let me know what you think.
Dave’s Top Ten Reasons That Men Should Not Be Ordained:
10. A man’s place is in the army.
9. For men who have children, their duties might distract them from the responsibility of being a parent.
8. Their physical build indicates that men are most suited to tasks such as chopping down trees and wrestling mountain lions. It would be “unnatural” for them to do other forms of work.
7. Man was created before woman, obviously as a prototype. Thus, they represent an experiment, rather than the crowing achievement of creation.
6. Men are too emotional to be priests or pastors. Their conduct at football games shows this.
5. Some men are handsome; thus they will distract women worshipers.
4. To be ordained as a pastor is to nurture the congregation. But this is not a traditional male role. Rather, throughout history, women have been considered to be not only more skilled than men at nurturing, but also more fervently attracted to it. This makes them the obvious choice for ordination.
3. Men are overly prone to violence. No really manly man wants to settle disputes otherwise than by fighting about it. Thus, they would be poor role models, as well as being dangerously unstable in positions of leadership.
2. Men can still be involved in church activities, even without being ordained. They can sweep paths, repair the church roof, and maybe even lead the singing on Father’s Day. By confining themselves to the traditional male roles, they can still be vitally important in the life of the Church.
1. In the New Testament account, the person who betrayed Jesus was a man. Thus, his lack of faith and ensuing punishment stands as a symbol of the subordinated position that all men should take.
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Comments (30)
SO good!
Yep, definitely satirical! Boy when I saw the title of the post I thought things were going to get ugly! Thanks for the chuckle.
haha! those were funny! totally true-- thats basically what we do now with the issue.
If you read accounts from the early Church you'll find that women were established in leadership roles throughout many Churches; they were deacons, prophets, etc. Even today, in places lke China, the church is primarily female, and so the leaders are often female.
Unfortunately, now-a-days, there is such a cultural restraint placed upon women that most women that I've met who are preachers tend to spend all their time preaching about how they ought to be allowed to preach adn therefore never actually preach anything. I hope to see these cultural restraints lifted soon.
Funny.
teehee ^_^
@TheGreatBout@xanga - I am certain this was one of the 8,000 handouts Marv gave us in Foundations of Ministry.
Brilliant.
@SirNickDon@xanga - Guh. Probably. The less I remember that class the better! I didn't know story-time was a college course. Marv proved taught me there was.
ok this was tongue in cheek...
Haha I like number 7.
XD I guess this means that no one can be ordained. We should use hand puppets instead.
lol. Nice one. #1 and 5 are priceless.
The number one reason men should be ordained:
Jesus picked this motley crew of guys, and it sort of stuck. -- the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree; I hope we all land close to God.
I'm doomed because of number 5...
@salvatruca_stalking_havok13@xanga - Perfect. I knew there was a solution somewhere.
@monobeam@xanga - Women generally have much less ego and a lot more humility then men!
@monobeam@xanga - Are you sure that wasn't because he didn't want people to think he was having wild sex orgies with female disciples?
@EccentricSiren@xanga - I would bet my life savings he had sexual contact with someone. Him and one of his bro's or friends did a little fondling either growing up or after they grew up. Maybe Clinton style!
i love this. Ima report on my Xanga!
lol.
I've read this list before and chuckled at how ridiculous it seems, but on a serious note, how is it that we can read through something like this and laugh at it, but when similar arguments are made against the ordination of women, we can take them so gosh darn seriously?
Leading the singing on Fathers' Day is one of the most vitally important things the Body of Christ can be doing . . .
@ChevalierSeingal@datingish - "Women generally have much less ego and a lot more humility then men!"
I see ego here.
Christianity was made by God, if you will. Jesus chose men. To change this is to say to God, ' no, I will not follow you, I will do things my own way.' This is where ego resides. Contrast this with Mary's Yes to the angel -- Mary shows us, by example, to open our hearts to God, to say yes, to love His ways over ours.
I agree that Mary shows a humility that men can not surpass; she is the ideal, for men and women where humility is concerned.
@EccentricSiren@xanga - "Are you sure that wasn't because he didn't want people to think he was having wild sex orgies with female disciples?"
When did Jesus care what others thought? He was killed because He couldn't hold back the Word which we needed to hear.
@Ancient_Scribe@xanga - I thought so too!