Saturday, 10 October 2009
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Christian Community: Is It Better Online?
The first Sunday of every month, my church has an all-church potluck immediately after second service. They rearrange the sanctuary while people are filing out and getting in line for food, then everyone eats together. I have been attending that particular church since December 2008 and yesterday was the first time I've stuck around for the church potluck.
I left after only about 20 minutes. I had two reasons for doing so. One reason was that I didn't like the food, and the second reason being the "fellowship" I experienced at the potluck. So I walked out the door, across the parking lot and down the hill in search of a fast food restaurant.
Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's really true of potlucks, but has anyone else noticed that as the number of people eating at a potluck goes up - the food quality goes down? The food yesterday was HORRIBLE! I'm a bit of a picky eater, but not too incredibly picky. The food was just bad. The college group potlucks, we call them "feasts" just because "feast" is a cooler word than "potluck", have had really good food. Food at all-church potlucks? No thanks.Okay, on to the so-called fellowship. I was sitting at the table for probably less than fifteen minutes, but during that time, the other people at the table didn't even look in my direction. I guess it was one family sitting there, but I couldn't tell for sure. I think one of the guys is a church elder, but I'm not sure about the other people. Plus there was a little kid complaining (screaming is more like it) that he wanted to sit somewhere else. I guess he wanted to sit with his friend.
Me and little kids is not a good combination. I generally don't like kids all that much, especially when they're screaming and crying. So after only a few minutes, I stood up, threw the rest of my food away and walked out the door to find some more, more suitable, lunch at a restaurant down the road.
I think I have better fellowship with the people on Xanga, like Grampa_David than I do with people I actually attend church with. It's really sad.Do you ever get that feeling that you have better fellowship with Christians online than you do with the people you actually attend church with?
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Man, I hate to come down on people like this... but my advice is that next time you grab a bite to eat before the potluck; then go grab a small polite plate of whatever looks decent and look for someone else who has no one sitting around them and go talk to them! If you can't find someone like that, go find whoever is not alone and sit down next to them!
You can never complain about not being talked to until you walk up and talk to them yourself and they flip you off and leave. I'm serious; you've been a member for a year (almost). You have to reach out and talk to other people-- it's not that they're mean or evil or monstrous people that aren't talking to you, it's that they're just as shy, or more so than you are.
Good luck next time-- get out of your comfort zone and swallow the less-than perfect potluck food.
Me and little kids is not a good combination. I generally don't like
kids all that much, especially when they're screaming and crying. So
after only a few minutes, I stood up, threw the rest of my food away
and walked out the door to find some more, more suitable, lunch at a
restaurant down the road.
Sounds like the problem is with you. If you don't actively pursue community or fellowship, you won't find it. And if the quality of the food at a potluck is how you rate community and fellowship, that's just sad and shallow.
I would also add, if you think the food sucks, bring something better. It is a potluck. Maybe that will inspire people to turn it up a notch.
And if you think the people around you don't want to talk to you, what makes you think they aren't assuming the same about you?
The family with the screaming kid is a family you could potentially experience wonderful meaningful community with, but you have to step beyond your prejudices. Don't wait for others to do it first, or you are just as guilty as they for creating a poor sense of community.
So I would ask...do you really want community or do you want to sit around while people shower you with attention and great food?
As far as the question at the end:
"Do you ever get that feeling that you have better
fellowship with Christians online than you do with the people you
actually attend church with?"
I really hope that was added by revelife and not the author. If you have better fellowship with
people online, it typically means you like to avoid situations where both you and others are vulnerable to exposing yourselves as you really are, where human flaws and quirks will inevitably make appearance ...and in that case you can never experience true deep fellowship and
community.
Well it depends actually. Online could be better because you get fed easily with Biblical information, research done by your fellow Christian friends etc, but what I feel most important that is lacking in 'online-fellowship' is definitely the physical presence of love and support. And I guess that's one of the things that draws us to church every Sunday too- to be able to see our close friends and their families, all gathering in a time of worship, praise and declaration unto the Lord. So for me, physical fellowship is way more meaningful
I'm of the persuasion that authentic, healthy, worth-while community is not found online. I don't believe Christian community is truly online. I think a tiny glimpse of it can be found online but that glimpse is insufficient for assuring the Church of her identity. If we find ourselves being more enriched by the people without faces and voices through a computer screen than the living, moving, working bodies around us then we aren't doing a very good job of understanding community or attempting to be part of a community.
Community is always a hard thing. Community is most often difficult because we're most often selfish.
For the last several years of my life I've been "that tattooed kid" in the midwest. I've been to all kinds of congregations and it's always the same story. I'm rarely engaged by others, there are noisy kids and bad food, and things aren't the way I would do them if I were in charge but being part of a community means dropping our pride and fear and delving into the lives of those around us because they are doing the will of our Father and are thus our family. I'm usually the only non-married, non-parent person at my house church and I'm too poor to bring food right now (we always do potluck) and I don't always like the food. However, that is my community and it is full of people seeking G-D. Why not seek fellowship with them? Choosing fast food over their TLC meals and time with myself or xanga over them would be more than insulting. This week I went with the goal to actively engage others and it was the best week I've had with my little community. You get what you give.
The best advice for this: Get over it. Engage others. Complain less. If you want better food then provide it or provide those who make the food with recipes. Be thankful for the food and the people around you. Remember that it's not about you and that you're not a victim. Commit to the family of G-D immediately around you.
Why did it take you a year to stay for the monthly meal? I agree with everyone above. I'm a very shy person (until I get to know someone) but I don't blame other people for not having a conversation, I blame ME! I know I have a hard time reaching out and I need to fix ME! Get the plank out of your own eye before you start pointing out the speck in the eye of your church community.
I tend to agree with the comments already posted although having once been shy myself I can't be as acerbic. It always takes someone to break the ice and there could be any number of reasons why nobody in a group or at a table feels comfortable doing that. Living in Manhattan means living in a community where people aren't shy. You can and often do talk to just about anyone. When I lived in smaller communities I found breaking the ice often took concerted effort, maybe because I was new or maybe because I looked different. It was my responsibility to break the ice and allow people to take their time with becoming comfortable that I didn't pose a threat to their well established world. In one case that meant saying something nice and funny to the checkout girl at the supermarket. She was a captive audience and bored to death and therefore an easy target. After a few visits she was openly friendly as she checked me out. Then a person behind me on line joined in on a conversation and there were now 3 of us communicating. In a small town word spreads fast and suddenly a stranger said good morning as I walked by. These were salt of the earth people with farm tans and calloused hands. There I was with long hair, a beach tan and musician's hands but before long I was chatting with a lot of people and they were no longer scary to me nor I to them and we found lots in common.
Things don't always work out like that but don't give up because of a couple of uncomfortable results. One of the weirdest things I experienced took place on an autumn day. I'd hopped on my motorcycle and went to the beach. It was cool and I was the only one there. I parked the bike and was looking out over the water when a car pulled up near my bike. An elderly couple got out and stood by their car staring at me. I started to feel uncomfortable and decided to leave. As I was putting my helmet on they continued to just stand and stare. I said hi but they didn't say anything back. They just stared and continued staring as they disappeared from my rear view mirrors. It was just weird. I don't know if there was something about my leathers or the fact that I was a biker or if they were some kind of perverts. Who knows.
So yeah, sometimes you come across people like that too. You can't take it to heart though nor let those people cramp your life.
@sugartomyhoney@xanga -
I ride the bus, so it's hard for me to bring anything to the all-church potlucks. I get a ride to college group, so I almost always go to the college group potlucks. Due to not being able to bring anything, I always leave because I've been taught all my life that in order to stay and eat, you should bring something to share.
I've been at the college group for a bit longer than I've been with the full church. This weekend is actually my 1-year mark of being in college group. I think I've been to the college potlucks for 9 out of the 12 months or so.
@hippiechristian73102@xanga - I am sorry that you feel you can't bring something; but at most of the pot lucks I've ever been to, there is always an over abundance of food. At our all church pot lucks, we always insist that people come to the table even if they didn't bring anything. I don't know about your groups policy; but I hope that even with the tight finances of the college students that there might be a welcome. Have you thought of offering some money to someone else who brings food? That could be your part!
As for this entry, I am sorry that you are getting so many harsh comments; but glad that there are a few merciful ones as well. I think that you do need to get out of your comfort zone and just introduce yourself to some people instead of waiting for them to introduce themselves to you. They don't always know that you want them to notice you, since some people say that would be "pushy" of them to do.
Food enjoyment is a personal thing, and you admit that you are a bit finicky. That probably has a lot to do with why you didn't find something you liked. Most of the potluck's I've been to have had some really great stuff! Not all will be gourmet food with expensive ingredients; but most is made with an attention to being healthy and nutritious food that others will know YOU brought. That means when something is good, most women will know who to ask for the recipe; and if it's really bad, there will be eyes noticing who picks up the dish when the event is ending, lol. So, there is an incentive on the part of those who prepare and bring food to these gathers to try and ensure it's high quality food.
I hope you won't be put off by the human qualities of this church, since as you learn to overlook their weaknesses and flaws, you will see that they will warmly and graciously do the same for you. It's just like a family in that way :).
justme
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i have some great friends at church and school, but my all-time besties i met online, and i don't think that's sad. none of us live online or have created alternate versions of ourselves. none of us are antisocial and we all have a good number of friends. just because you meet someone online doesn't mean they can't "count" as much as "real friends"..but again, please people, don't live online. kay?
Sounds like your church does indeed have a problem with its "community"-- there's at least one member there who walks out in a huff when he thinks that the food isn't good enough or when he doesn't feel that people are paying him enough attention!
As the saying goes, if you're not part of the solution....
@Pass_the_Aura@xanga - Was that comment directed at me?
Hey I can't really help it to some extent. I'm believed to have high-functioning autism, so social rules for stuff like this doesn't come easy for me. That's not an excuse, just a bit of an explanation.
@hippiechristian73102@xanga - Your post caught me at a sarcastic moment. No offense intended.