Tuesday, 15 September 2009

  • Tales from Agnostic Camp: The Unbeliever's Bill of Rights

    Tales from Agnostic Camp by Dave Burchett

    I am afraid I need to polish up my descriptive words in order to compete in this world. If I describe myself (accurately) as Christian and conservative I find that I am immediately stereotyped and dismissed by the free-thinkers and progressives. See how much cooler their words are? Because I have chosen to follow Christ and believe in God I can’t possible be a free-thinker. And since I have conservative values I am not progressive. Bummer. But I am prepared to struggle through with my cro-magnon worldview.

    The topic was revived this week by a story in the Dallas Morning News. A camp for agnostic kids recently wrapped up in the Dallas area. The parents described a place where clear thinking and good questions can be encouraged. While they may be free-thinkers I fear they are not always clear thinkers. For example, one high school student had kept his atheism a secret because his fellow students would likely avoid him if they knew. But he gave his full name in the story. Hmmmm. Perhaps the flat-earth believing Christians don’t read the paper.

    I wondered what goes on at agnostic camp. Do they sing camp songs like we did at church camp?

    Kumbaya, pretty sure there is no Lord, Kumbaya… Just doesn’t have the same flow.

    And what do they say when a camper sneezes? Inquiring minds want to know. One comment from a parent left me dumbfounded. "As a parent, I would be disappointed if Joseph became the next Billy Graham. But if he truly felt that was his calling, I would love him just the same and be happy for him."

    Can you believe that heartbreak? “We tried so hard but he became a man of integrity and faith that loves his wife and is loved by millions. Where did we go wrong? Still…he is our son so we love him anyway.”

    A couple of items in the story made me sad.

    “Another boy, 14, whose stepfather requested his anonymity, started home-schooling this year after enduring years of bullying for his open atheism.”

    I am truly sorry when I hear reports like that. That should never happen and Christian parents should have that discussion with their children. Perhaps the saddest comment for me came from a student who doesn’t believe in heaven. His desire is to be put in the ocean when he dies "so fish will turn my body into a reef – so I can have a purpose."

    I believe with all of my being that there is an eternal purpose to this life beyond becoming fish food or fertilizer. But to anyone reading this who has no faith at all I must confess my dilemma to you. If I truly believe this to be the truth and if my faith in Christ has genuinely changed my life then how can I not tell you? Why should you be offended if I care enough to reach out gently and in love.

    Michael Kinsley wrote in Time magazine about the anger that some folks feel toward Christians who seem compelled to share their faith. 

     “You may not agree that your soul needs saving, but why is he wrong to try as long as he isn't prying away your soul against your will? As an ethnically Jewish nonbeliever, I find this fuss over conversion utterly baffling...But an insult? In a way, it is insulting to Jews that Fundamentalist Christians don't try harder to convert us. Oh sure, they're friendly enough now. But wait until Judgment Day. Then it will be, `Sorry, we seem to have lost your reservation.' And from this perspective, the Jewish policy of actively discouraging converts to Judaism starts to seem like `theological arrogance' indeed. At the same time, when you object to noncoercive conversion, it starts to look like the opposite of arrogance: theological insecurity. What are you afraid of? The decision will be made by you or by God, and in either case, there is no ground for complaint."

    I suspect that technique is too often the rub. I was a victim of over the top zealous religious people as a teenager. I am still a little amazed that I eventually came to faith. Kinsley said you have the right to simply say no.

    If I care about you I will naturally want to share the most important thing in my life. But I think you have some other rights as the hearer of my message. I wrote the following in my book, When Bad Christians Happen to Good People.

    The Unbelievers Bill of Rights…

    • I have the right to never have faith forced on me.
    • I have the right to never be treated in a condescending manner.
    • I have the right to always hear the truth.
    • I have the right for you to patiently hear my concerns and doubts.
    • I have the right to seek answers to those questions and doubts that you can’t answer.
    • I have the right to be steered to resources for my own study and investigation.
    • I have the right to be loved no matter how I respond to the Gospel message.

    I hope that I honor you by following the list above. I hope you will understand that my wanting to let you know about the most important thing in my life honors you as well. I pray most of all that I will faithfully follow these words of Jesus.

    "Let me give you a new command: Love one another. In the same way I loved you, you love one another. This is how everyone will recognize that you are my disciples—when they see the love you have for each other."

    What do you think? Do you agree with the "Unbelievers Bill of Rights"?

Comments (16)

  • nyclegodesi24@xanga
  • democrab@xanga

    I've heard of similar things before, and more often than not, the rights that are mentioned seem okay.  Unfortunately, the underlying message I get a lot of the time is that these "rights" are in place as a means of not irritating me as I go along "my own journey to Christ", assuming that's where I'm going.  In other words, a lot of people assume I'm agnostic and I'm working on finding faith, "so let's not scare him away right now."

    Truth be told, I just want to be left alone so I can find whatever my answer happens to be.  I've never liked it when people assume that my path will eventually lead to faith and they treat as such.

  • mtngirlsouth@xanga

    Yes! I like that! It is simply their choice whether to accept Him or not. God gave them that choice, so it cannot be forced on them. You can lead an unbeliever to the water that never runs dry, but you cannot make him drink.

  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga

    the overall sarcastic and holier-than-thou tone of this post makes me wonder whether you actually believe anything you wrote.

  • mpwarren@xanga

    Christ said that "the world" would hate us, because it has hated Him first. And if the world does love us, then we are not being faithful to Christ.


    Oh well, Like when I joined the Marine Corps, I knew what I was getting into and I'm not backing down now.


    Semper Fidelis to my Lord and King, Christ Jesus.

  • xsimplepleasuresx@xanga

    I have no problem with religious people discussing their faith and what they believe with me in a civilized manner, but it is offensive when they don't show me any respect and come from a viewpoint of superiority and condemnation.  Which sadly is more often the case.  Too bad the worst representatives are often at the front of the receiving line.  As a side note, perhaps the author could do some research as to what agnosticism really is, he seems to be classifying all agnostics as agnostic athiests.  Who knows, maybe even a task for Revelife to tackle, with references for more info?

  • MissPixieGlitter@xanga

    this post is condescending.

  • nyclegodesi24@xanga
  • When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga

    "I believe with all of my being that there is an eternal purpose to this life beyond becoming fish food or fertilizer."

    This would be completely missing the boy's point.

    As an atheist I can strongly attest that the natural circle of life (and indeed the entire universe) that we are all part of is far more beautiful and extravagant than merely "becoming fish food."

  • missash0816

    @MissPixieGlitter@xanga - Not all of it, but some parts definitely were.


    Can I say that just because somene is a Christian does not automatically mean that they have integrity and just because someone isn't a Christian doesn't mean that they don't?


    @When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga -  I totally agree! The author definitely missed the point of what he was saying.

  • MusicologyNut85@xanga

    I right the right to pee the color green.
    I have the right to pet a pink fluffy bunny
    I have the right to sit through a church service of only Gregorian Chant
    I have the right to hear homilies of exactly 10.432 minuets in length
    I have the right to have an Italian style, baroque pipe organ playing the hymns

    Wow... it really is east to just list off everything that we kinda want as a right and demand that we get it. I might just start doing it!

    Seriously? These things are not "rights," granted, they are good things, but they are not rights. We have the right to free speech, which means that:
    1. I have the right to be condecending and forceful towards you with my faith.
    2. You have the right to tell me to f--- off when I act that way
    3. You have the right to ask whatever questions you have the linguistic ability to form to anyone you want
    4. I have the right to tell you as many lies and as much BS as I want to
    5. You have the right to express you concerns and doubts whenever and however you want
    6. I have the right to tell you to F--- off when you do
    7. You have the right to ask for resources and direction
    8. I have the right to remain silent

    ... and being loved (like salvation) is, in no way, a right. It is a Christian obligation to love one's neighbors.

    Can we stop with these stupid "_____ bill of rights"? There is a great difference between a "right" and an "obligation." However, we just don't like having obligations, having "rights" is so much more positive and empowering... blah blah blah.

  • LeMepris@xanga

    I mean, I guess I kind of agree with the basic points of this post, but it's written in such an unbelievably condescending and arrogant manner that I refuse to endorse it, and the next Christian who tries to share their faith with me will get a loogie to the face.


    See how it works, Dave Burchett?  By being an ass, you've encourage me to be an even bigger ass.

  • LeMepris@xanga

    Nobody has the "right" to be listened to.  Nobody has the "right" to be loved.  Hey, guess what, almost everybody wants to be loved and listened to, but a lot of people never will have that. 

  • LeMepris@xanga

    @When_We_Were_Both_Cats@xanga - "As an atheist I can strongly attest that the natural circle of life (and indeed the entire universe) that we are all part of is far more beautiful and extravagant than merely 'becoming fish food.'"


    I agree.  There's so much mystery and splendor in real life that the author of this post just dismisses because he lacks imagination. 

  • sick_of_dreams@xanga

    I have been a victim of harsh pushy people that called themselves christians and didn't say anything when a fellow church member burnt her child with a curling iron...


    But I have had more atheist try to convert me/force me to say they were right in incredibly harsh ways that christians. Which is really funny because if atheist are right then why would it matter what I believed?


  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    We have the unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and those rights in the actual Bill of Rights that protect Americans from a rogue government.


    The "rights" listed in this post are simply propaganda from the politically correct crowd.  The intentions of such propaganda is to shame Christians into silence.


    There is no right that prohibits being offended.  And Christians as a group are constructive, not offensive.

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