Sunday, 23 August 2009

  • Ramadan: Christians Called to Pray

    I just stumbled upon this article.  It explains how Missions Network News is calling Christians to pray for Muslims as Ramadan begins this Saturday.  I thought it would be interesting to share. 

    The article says that because Ramadan is such a time of spiritual searching for Muslims that Christians should pray for them to encounter Jesus during this time.  It particularly makes an example of Iranian youth, many of whom are apparently "disillusioned" by their faith.  To be honest, I'm not going to say that Christians should or shouldn't pray for Muslims during Ramadan.  If you feel led to pray for Muslims during this time, that is great.  I just thought it interesting to share.  God Bless.  

Comments (85)

  • anonymous

    Please   do pray  for  the  Muslim  world. I  am  do  so  every day.



    Amrita   from  India



    www.yesugarden.blogspot.com

  • FreeeVerse@xanga

    I think this is quite a good idea. :)

  • BunnyHu@xanga

    Definately a good idea. They really need a Christ conscience.

  • BunnyHu@xanga

    I'm not saying they should change themselves. So much of their culture is beautiful, but there is an awakening in a person that only comes from knowing G-d through Christ, oddly enough. Its so weird, but its just the truth. Its not fair the don't get to feel it. It hurt my feelings when I talked to my friend Amina who told me how hurt she was by the Christian world sometimes for her culture and how hurt she was for her culture as well. She explained to me hwo many Christians came to speak to them and did, basically, to these Tribal People, what we did to the Peoples of America when we came here. Lied to them and robbed them blind, gave them weapons, and the worst of all, we abandoned them. She explained to me that, for them, it was easy to understand why a person might make mistakes as a leader and that could hurt the people sometimes. But these People really look up to other human beings. They know they aren't G-d, most definately, but they look up to who G-d gave them with all their hearts. When we came to meet them, they looked up to us deeply and faithfully, and they believed with all their might in us to be with G-d too. Then we left them. WE told them about CHRIST, and they believed, and we left them. So, she told me, men came in who filled the void, and they taught the Tribes to hate their lover, "Christ." So now they are angry at all we do against G-d and ourselves. "Why did we leave them!? Why are we not who we say Christ IS?" They feel, in the spiritual sense, like Christ abandoned them, because His militants did. But we don't believe in our politicains. We are jaded, so we can not believe or understand they felt hurt and abandoned. They are so innocent minded, they do not understand why it is wrong to get our attention through brutality- like a child throwing a tantrum. It seems like they are saying, My G-d, and we are saying My G-d is this way. They want to believe us. They want to be with us. They want to know HIM. Not all are like this. In every culture, men want land and oil and have a fever for lust and greed. But there are many prayerful women in the mosques. And this is where it came from. The men willing to die for G-d on both sides are innocent. If you will die for G-d, you are innocent. I am a Hebrew born, and I was raised to hate these people, even while we don't keep kosher, even as we convert to Christianity- this is my natural enemy, and meant to be my enemy for the sake of the revelation of G-d in time. But hand and hand we heal each other and we fight each other. WE know we are G-d's to use, and we know we are enemies for His sake. This does not mean the innocent willing to die do not love their enemy on either side as the Christians do. That is what the Christian community does not understand about the nature of our war.

  • wolvenchic@xanga

    well I'd pray for them because I would want no one to be without god; i wouldnt force my opinion on them, but seeing how there might be someone of another religion hoping for my soul one day to convert and be saved, I could do the same for them. There is no harm in it, so long as im not harrassing people and it stays in my own home.

  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga

    i wonder how many Christians advocating this wouldn't feel the slightest bit of offense if there was a call for Muslims to pray for Christians during Lent... 

  • LostButSearching@xanga

    @too_pretty_to_die@xanga - I think that's a great point.  It all boils down to what you believe.  Christians believe that Muslims are misled and I believe they would say the same about Christians.  If a Muslim would want to pray to me, I wouldn't be offended.  I am secure in my faith with God and their prayer to Allah isn't going to impact me (I don't know for sure if their Allah is the same as my God).  God is the only judge. 

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    @too_pretty_to_die@xanga - i wonder how many Christians advocating this wouldn't feel the slightest bit of offense if there was a call for Muslims to pray for Christians during Lent... 


    I'll take a Muslim prayer any day of the week.  Yahweh, Allah and the Father are the same.  And Muslims are SO dedicated to prayer: 5 times a day formally.


    Can't beat that with a stick.


  • MissPixieGlitter@xanga

    i think it's great if you want to pray, with their blessings, for their health/well-being/happiness, but praying that they convert to your faith is quite disrespctful of theirs.

  • cecilia

    @LoBornlite@xanga - Who said that allah and God/Yaweh are the same? I mean... Christianity comes from Judaism so there can be continuity there. Islam...claims to come from the two former religions...but our understanding of God versus the understanding of Allah- the way in which we relate to these two. I...really don't think they are the same. You can argue that we relate to Yaweh differently than God because of Jesus, yes, but Islam takes it to a very different level. While they are both monotheistic and may claim the same God. they definitely aren't the same God. And God answers prayers in the name of Jesus...(the Bible says) so how could these prayers count for the same?

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    @cecilia - Judaism, Christianity and Islam all go back to Abraham.  That's the facts, Ma'am.

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    Question.  Does anyone know if Muslims engage in intercessory prayer?

  • MC_Shann@xanga

    @LoBornlite@xanga - Could I get you to listen to a program about Islamic sects? One of the persons on it is a man named Ergun Caner. He is a former Muslim converted to Christianity. I know quite a bit about Islam it's teachings and history. I also know that the RCC has made it's statements about Muslims and worshiping the same God as you wrote above. Are you aware that Islams teachings were specifically brought about to combat the teachings of Rome? Almost everything the Koran and the Hadiths teach are in opposition to Catholic doctrine.


    The program can be found here under the Monday August 17th heading at this site (however it is not the soundbite clip at the top of the page. You'll have to scroll down a tiny bit.) ... It may take a minute to download. I would love to hear what your thoughts are after hearing it.


    http://www.issuesetc.org/ondemand.html

  • deepestrecesses

    @LoBornlite@xanga - I have heard people (non-muslims) say what you're saying-- then I questioned some Muslims; one said that he was ok with that claim providing two distinctions were made; our understanding of Allah (YHWH) is completely falwed AND that Jesus is not a part of YHWH other than being a prophet of Allah (YHWH).  The other two said that claim is considered blasphemous to them because the Christians consider Jesus a part of Allah (YHWH), and the Jews had perverted their understanding of Allah.  and they all said that claiming the Christian God to be the same as Allah is blasphemy because Christians (usually) believe that Jesus and the Spirit are also one with God the Father.


    The Muslims say that Abraham was going to offer Ishmael instead of Isaac and therefore claim Ishmael to be their forefather instead of Isaac... obviously the Jewish account says that Isaac was going to be offered to God by Abraham and trace back through Isaac; the Christians would also say go through Isaac in that story. 


    @cecilia - I do agree with you-- Allah is a different god (even in theory) than Jehovah (YHWH).  Especially because of what Muslims have told me, they completely reject Christ as the Son of God and as a part of God, AND they 100% reject the Holy Spirit-- I haven't gotten a completely understandable answer from one yet, but I think (don't quote me on this) that they would consider Muhamed (spelling?) to be what is referenced by Jesus in the NT as the "Spirit".  Again, I'm not sure on  this because I didn't completely understand the answers I was given.


    Anyway, as a Christian I think it is indeed something that we should pray for.... not just on Ramadan (though it isn't a bad idea also) but frequently we need to remember all in our prayers. 

  • cecilia

    @deepestrecesses - agreed! enough said. i might do some research and write a post on this topic- it is really interesting.

  • deepestrecesses

    @cecilia - It is a worthwhile study-- very hard because their writtings are considered "holy" and they don't allow "holy" writings into unbelievers hands (very often)-- in fact the  history of how the Q'ran even came into print in the English language is a very fascinating study itself.

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    @MC_Shann@xanga - Are you aware that Islams teachings were specifically brought about to combat the teachings of Rome?


    Sounds exactly like Martin Luther and every other Protestant doesn't it?


    Look!  I said I don't have a problem with Muslims praying for Christians.  I didn't say I wanted to convert to Islam.

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    @deepestrecesses - one said that he was ok with that claim providing two distinctions were made; our understanding of Allah (YHWH) is completely falwed AND that Jesus is not a part of YHWH other than being a prophet of Allah (YHWH). 


    That isn't surprising.   Neither the Jews nor the Muslims accept the Revelation of Jesus Christ.  That is why they are they are not Christian.  Jesus revealed God:  Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  Nevertheless Yahwey, Allah and the Father are the same.


    A Jewish prayer to Yahwey and an Islamic prayer to Allah are both prayers to the Father.

  • cecilia

    @LoBornlite@xanga - A Jewish prayer to Yahwey and an Islamic prayer to Allah are both prayers to the Father.


    Thats where i disagree. they can't be prayers to the Father unless they know the Son...its logic.
  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    @cecilia - God the Father, aka Yahwey was known by the Jews.  Jesus was a Jew.  So the Jews knew the Father.  So even though the Jews did not accept the Son (they had him crucified in fact) they pray to the same Father that the Christians do. 


    Further, the actual physical, historical lineage of Jesus passes through the Hebrews and goes back to Abraham.  So the same Yahwey that Abraham prayed to is the same Father that Jesus prayed to.


    This shows that one may pray to God the Father without accepting the Son since God the Father revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, King David, etc.; Hebrews all.

  • MC_Shann@xanga

    @deepestrecesses - @cecilia - I made a recommendation to Lobornlite in a comment above. Im also suggesting you two give it a listen. It is very informative. Ergun Caner is top notch when it comes to Islam. If you do listen, let me know what you think.

  • realungabunga@xanga

    @LoBornlite@xanga - Just because Islam claims to go back to Abraham doens't mean that it does.  Mohommad took what he wanted from other religionis and discarded the rest.  Jesus fulfilled what was in the OT (fulfilling over 300 prophesies).  Mohommad never fulfilled any prophecies and told his armies to rape women and children.  Also, 1 John clearly states that anyone who claims Jesus as Son of God has God, but those who do not claim Him as Son of God do not have God.  Islam denies Jesus' Sonship, therefore it is not from God.  Read 1 John 5:1-12.

  • cecilia

    @MC_Shann@xanga - yes i will look at it. thanks!


    sorry i dont mean to be ridiculous about the God/Allah thing. they are just different. i understand that they derive from abraham. peace.
  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    @realungabunga@xanga - because Islam claims to go back to Abraham doens't mean that it does. 


    I cite the teaching of the Catholic Church.  From the Catechism:


    841 The Church's relationship with Muslims.  "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."


    The tendency to condemn Muslims is unseemly.

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    @realungabunga@xanga - Islam denies Jesus' Sonship


    So do the Jews.  Yet Isreal is God's first born son.  They worship Yahwey who is the same Father that Christians worship.

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