Friday, 14 August 2009
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Naughty or Nice?: My Experience as a Minister's Daughter
People tend to lump preacher's kids (PKs) into two categories; you're either an angel or a rebel. The angels go to church every Sunday, say their prayers every night, know the bible by heart, never drink or do drugs, and never have sex until they're married. The rebels, in an effort to break this stereotype, go overboard in the other direction, trying everything in the book so they won't be seen as a goody-two-shoes PK. In reality, most of us are somewhere in between these two extremes. As a minister's daughter, I've been a little of an angel and a rebel. I did what the congregation expected of me. I attended church most Sundays, went to sunday school or youth group, sang in the choir,and participated in the various church functions.
At the same time, I had my fun. As a teenager, I had my moments of rebellion as any teenager does. One night I got drunk with a friend when my parents were away and ended up passed out on a neighbour's lawn. I also met a guy online and had sex with him the second time we met. Granted, he is now my husband of 7 years and we have two children together, but it would sound so much more rebellious if I left that part out. Now I rarely go to church, or read the Bible, or even pray. I still consider myself spiritual person, but I can only take organized religion in small doses.
You're probably wondering what my father thinks of all this. He's actually a very liberal person and doesn't impose his religious beliefs on anyone else, not even his own children. Even my mom rarely attends church anymore now that my dad is retired. I still love his sermons though, and I'll gladly go to church if he happens to be preaching. He's a great man and I'm glad I'm his daughter. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Is there a balance for preacher's kids or do they have to act a certain way?
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PKs...(leans back and thinks.)
I've seen it all.
I think anybody's kids shouldn't be "tied down" to a lifestyle chosen by their parents.
Here's something to challenge you - when nicodemus asked Jesus (in john chapter 3) what he must do to inherit eternal life, jesus did not respond that man must be born of a pastor, neither did he respond that one must be spiritual - but rather Jesus said that we must be born again.
What do you make of the claims of Jesus today? True? Not true? Helpful at some points off on others? Do you think that you need to be born again? Do you think that you ARE born again? What do you think being born again means?
@Romans_837@xanga - Agreed. When a parent dedicates their life to any kind of work, it will effect the child's upbringing. And pastors kids face some unique challenges and situations. But as long the parent is equally dedicated to separately raising and caring for their children, I don't think pastor's kids are more likely to become any worse or better than they were gonna be anyways.
On a less tasteful note,
Whenever we'd meet a pastor with young tot-and-under children, me and my friends used to try to predict what they were going to be like when they grow up. (dominatrices, respected atheistic authors, pop star sex icons, Buddhist monks, abortion advocates, sex toy inventors, founders of new psychedelic narcotics, etc). I guess I still do sometimes, but I truly have cut back.
I think that there is only one WAY to act and that is as a child of God (outlined in His Word) and that applies to every human being, not just Christians or preacher's kids.
I think they ought to act like Christians.
A "spiritual person" (or Christian) who rarely prayers, reads the bible, or even goes to Church???
My mom is an ordained minister, and I am no longer a Christian. I gave it up first when I was 12 and then officially when I was 16. As a family (and before she was ordained), we bounced around from church to church because my mom always found some problem with them (usually they were too legalistic), or they found some sort of problem with her. It was rough, and I eventually stopped going to church altogether. It wasn't out of rebellion; it was mostly out of boredom. All I ever did was draw pictures on the daily handouts. My siblings were a little better. My older brother went because he actually believes; my older sister went because she hates causing conflict; my younger brother went because he was too young to have much of a choice. My dad was raised as a traditional Polish Catholic, but he was far from a religious man. I can't remember him ever attending church after I turned 10 or so.
I went through a lot of problems with my mom when I was a teen, after my dad died. She kicked me out of the house when I told her I liked girls, but eventually took me back when I lied to her that I'd "learn to become straight." I've been through a lot of soul-searching and research since then, and now I'd consider myself an agnostic with taoist and Neo-Platonist influences. I moved half the country away when I was 18, and the distance actually (eventually) brought my mom and I closer. At 24, we get along really well. She accepts me for who I am, and even thinks the boyfriend I live with is a great blessing (I'm sure part of that is the simple fact that it's a boyfriend and not a girlfriend). I figure she knows if I didn't have him, I might be homeless or dead due to psychological illnesses interferring with my life. I know she doesn't approve of all the things I do, but she almost never brings up her well-intended objections anymore.
I never really saw myself as the rebelious child or the stereotypical preacher's kid; my younger brother kind of took on that role in his teens. I very rarely did anything simply because I knew it wasn't going to be approved of. I never drank, never did drugs, and was a straight A student. Instead, I thought of myself as the black sheep; someone who simply wasn't accepted because I was different. Thankfully, that has changed.
Parenting is the biggest single factor in children's behavior, security, and happiness. One of the biblical requirements for church leaders is to be good parents: "An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient." (Titus 1:6) Unfortunately, not all pastors are good parents, especially when it comes to balancing work and family time and staying involved in their children's lives.
Among PKs and missionary kids, I've seen the spectrum. It's hard being in the typical church fishbowl, but good parents create a safe space for the family and establish boundaries (hard to maintain if you're a pastor). I think pastors' kids may have it tougher than missionary kids.
We're all entitled to make our own choices. I don't go to church, but I am very spirtual. I like to observe my faith alone--being with congregations freaks me out.
I don't think ANYONE should act like a Christian, or act like anything. I think they should be.
Anyways, I was a preacher's kid, and in some ways it made me grow up faster. I didn't have the freedoms other kids had. But I also learned more about life's truths, and I have a better mindset because of some experiences with churches(as painful as they were). But I would never want any other kid to go through that stuff. It may do them some good, but it could also do a lot of damage. I have great parents who protected me, and didn't take crap, because they knew it would hurt us kids. Someone who had a butt of a minister-parent may feel differently. I personally wouldn't change the past, but I wouldn't live it again. I'm glad my dad retired from ministry. And unless you've seen some of the crap of churches,(jealousy, greed, power-hunger, etc.) you can't say what a preacher's kid should be like. Each pk has his or her own story, each one has his or her own scars. They must choose their own path.
I'm a good kid, I get good grade, I don't drink or do drugs. I don't try to rebel from the church or my parents. I'm a bit of a rebel of society, but I'm not dangerous. I use good common sense, and I have a bit of a dark side. I see good and bad in almost everything. I can sense some things others can't, because all my life I've had to judge how to choose my words, or how to handle a situation. I don't know if other pks can do this, but I can pretty much tell when someone doesn't like you and just has to be nice to you, versus whether he or she is just genuinly nice. If someone doesn't feel like being all cheery nice, I don't want. I want politeness, that's all.
@deepestrecesses - that's right, I said spiritual, not religious. I think you are confusing the two. I believe in a divine power greater than myself and I draw on a variety of different ideas and religions to create a much more personal concept of faith. My spiritual belief system does not always include going to church, reading the bible, or praying in the traditional sense (although I still talk to God, just not in a structured prayer). So maybe I'm not a Christian by your definition, but I can still experience spirituality.
@thornbird42@xanga - Ohhh-- yes. you can definitely make up your own concept of faith, spirituality, or religion (etc).
Frankly, I've heard more inspiring testimonies.
I'm a pastor's kid and I most definitely rebelled.
I definitely feel that everyone needs to find their way (whether it's their parents' or not) and leave labels to cans because we are all human.
Mostly because I grew up in a church where everyone lied, cheated and were just plain hypocrites. I left the church, joined a different church (and demomniation, although still Christianity) and left again. I guess I'm kind of lost on that aspect.
I truly believe that pastor's kids are put on this pedestal that they have no business being on. No one cares if the neighbor's kid smokes pot but when the pastor's kid does it, it's horrendous?
I think PK's get more attention, but they are still just kids. In time, they will decide on their own whether or not Christ is important to them. Just going to church does not cut it for anyone. I am glad you are married and have a family. More people used to go to church than go. My opinion.
I agree with those who have said only minister's kids can really understand their situation. That being said, I am a minister's kid, so I can offer my perspective.
I was probably more on the "angelic" side; honestly, I was "trained" to be so aware of what others would think of me (or my parents), I was afraid to do anything other than that. Still, growing up, there was always an intense longing to be considered normal. As a teen especially, I wanted my peers to be okay with telling me about the crazy parties, even though I knew I would never go myself. I guess I tried to walk the line between "super Christian" and "normal," but it was tough. I also agree that as a minister's kid, you see the dark side of church operations (in my case, we were mostly at the butt of it), and it is jading.
Once I went to college and got some space from my parents and their church, I felt safer to figure out and adopt my own "Christian opinions" (for example, is it okay for Christians to drink?). In my parents' household, having different opinions would have been frowned upon, so getting out on my own is one of the best things that could have happened to me. I love my parents, but I prefer to love them from a distance. As a result of all this, I have held onto the faith and managed to evolve into my own beliefs.
So, short answer: Yes, there is a balance, but it can be difficult to find, and pretty much nobody gets out without some scars.
Interesting. I would hate to be a preacher's kid. Too much rebelling to do (:
Gah! I'm a preacher's kid. It wasn't fun. Especially the time he brought me up to the pulpit during one of his sermons and talked about child suicide. For the longest time, I was afraid he'd call me up there again. Or the time he had the Pastor place his hand on my head and pray for me in front of the entire congregation, because I wasn't baptized at the time.
But I was always the most straight-edge child among my peers at church. And it always made me feel left out.
I am a PK myself and I think many pks get turned of to religion and so wild oats because they are taught ritual rather than a relationship with God. People tend to think of pastors much higher than they are, when they are human too. Unfortunately PKs have to see the dark side of ministry and they see the man that the pastor tries to hide from the congregation.
My dad was not perfect but he did teach me to have a relationship with God and that I am an imperfect sinner who makes mistakes but God forgives and desires my fellowship.
I never really went wild but did grow disgusted with organized religion(after watching so many church members talking the talk but not walking the walk) and I tried to pull away but the Bible teaches the importance of the church and I believe the Bible is the word of God, so I couldn't justify doing so. I can't really understand how people can choose what they think is valid from the Bible and what is not.
To rephrase Ghandi we need to "be the change we want to see in the church"
To add more..
I saw a youth pastor whom I though was genuine and had a family of 5 kids and a lovely wife get caught having an affair with a 16 year old.
I saw a pastor wellr espected in the community get arrested for molesting teen girls.
I have seen more than one pastor get caught in an affair.
Pastors addicted to porn, caught up in homosexuality.......so on and so on all friends of my dad or ministers I met while in seminary. I will not mention my dads mistakes. I can honestly say maybe 5% of ministers I have met, I respect and I have met many.
After seeing all of that I still cannot walk away from the One who was strong enough to forgive all those sins and was strong enough to die a horrible death while knowing the world would still reject him and those he called to serve would still hurt him with their sins. I learned a long tim ago that the work is God's not any mans!!
For example:
The man who helped God start the church, Peter hurt Jesus and rejected him before God used him to do so.
One of the greatest missionaries ever (Paul)was an enemy of the church before being used and even after being used greatly, still called himself the cheif of sinners.
History is full of sinners that God has used greatly.
All we can do individually is look in the mirror and see the sinner we are and ask God's forgiveness and for the grace to forgive others. We are so fixated on others (PKs, pastors, MKs etc) that we dont take time to look at ourselves and see that we have become what we hate!
i'm not a PK, but my mom is heavily involved in the church she goes to. it was a HUGE deal when i stopped... like it ruined her reputation or something. but honestly, i was tired of trying to force myself to believe in something just so i wouldn't piss her off, or go to Hell.
I think that PK's have it the worse. The pastor is always held on a pedestal and so is his or her family. Being pretty close to the pastors that I have known I've seen both sides of PK's though I am not one myself. The pressure to perform to the conditions of others who could care less about your personal life or struggles can break any person.
But we are all sinners and God is merciful and awesome. In answer to your question-the person who is in that position (if they are a christian) according to the moral guidelines as outlined by their spiritual Father. If they aren't christians well then...that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
huh. i wonder if thats part of why catholics decided on not letting preists be ordained and then have kids or get married. avoid the whole...spouse/child on a pedestal thing.
I have a cousin who is a PK. He's a good kid but he's said and done some things I'm sure would make his parents do a double take. But they're also pretty liberal. His dad did give him a youth religion book about sex. But other than that, they don't impose religion on him or anyone else. They'll make suggestions every now and then, however. Like, to pray or seek a certain scripture. But it's not like they'd cast him out the home. He gets good grades and is pretty much the average teenager. He's very talented and I've watched him grow from a little crying bundle to a smooth young man.
They've all calmed down a bit, but, there are lots of stories about the naught they've pulled off in their haydays. They were all over the place having fun, having the babies, and pretty much giving my uncle a run for his money for a minute. As they got older, they cooled off. And somehow, they all ended up coming back home to live around their dad. One has even come back to the church.
His elder siblings, however, are the rebels.
I think that PKs are judged because of who their parents are. By everyone. They are indeed expected to be one way or the other. And if they take the so-called "lower road", then they are the gossip and the bane on everyone's lips and mind. I think that in the end, the kids are going to form their own personalities based on what their parents have taught them. And from there, they go their own way.
@thornbird42@xanga - I completely agree. I'm the same. Just have faith. (=