Sunday, 05 July 2009

  • Is It Possible to Stay Pure Anymore?

    posted 6/26/2009 by Clayton King

    What on earth is happening to our culture?  Yesterday was just insane.  Ed McMahon, Farah Fawcett, and Michael Jacson all died, Shaq is traded to the Cavs to play with LeBron, and Vince Carter is going to Orlando.  But the thing that shook me most yesterday was a front page article in The Wall Street Journal about SC governor Mark Sanford and his affair with his Argentinian mistress.

    I am a native South Carolinian and follow state politics somewhat.  I knew of his bold proclamations of Christian faith, his possible future as a star in the Republican party, and his adamant refusal to accept money from the federal bailout package (regardless of what the state supreme court had to say about it, or the state legislature).  So hearing about his affair was in a way surprising, and in a way…not so much so.

    The article I read went into more detail than what I had heard on the news, particulary his disappearance for many days and subsequent lies about where he was.  The article also recalled the sex scandals of previous years, from a NY governor using prostitutes to the governer of Nevada admitting indiscretions just last week, all the way to John Edwards affair while his wife was battling cancer.  On top of all this, a colleague in ministry and pastor of a large and growing church recently came clean about the same kind of sin just weeks ago, something that has affected many of my friends who knew him well.  All of this leaves me with several questions.

    1. What in the world is going on, particularly with men in prominent positions of leadership and influence, and why are so many falling into this type of sin?
    2. Who is next?  What public figure that is respected in ministry will be uncovered next as a womanizer and a liar?
    3. Am I doing all I should as a friend and brother to pray for, encourage, and challenge my colleagues in ministry to stay pure in all areas?
    4. Is it possible to stay pure, to live a life above reproach, and to stay faithful to the finish line?

    Of course, by the grace of God, it is possible to live a life worthy of the calling we have received.  I said it was possible, not easy.  And I live daily with the reality that it could happen to me.  I am more than capable of falling into the same temptations, the same traps, and the same sins as these men.  I am not better than them and am probably no stronger than them, and if I begin to pass judgment on them, I better watch out lest I fall, too.  My heart is to see a generation of Christians, men and women of integrity, living for the glory of God, not just for a season, but for a lifetime.

    Next time, I will share a few practical things I do in my own personal life to avoid being put into situations where I would be tempted to step out of bounds, particularly with the opposite sex.  In the meantime, let us pray fervently for those who have been wounded deeply by the sins of others, because we know that our own sin effects those around us as much or more than it effect us.  Let’s pray for their families, their churches, and their souls, that they would repent and receive the mercy of God.

Comments (22)

  • pansybradshaw@xanga

    it nevur haz ben possibul to stay pure "all hav sinned & fallen" ergo ... 

  • MizconstruedJa@xanga

    "I am not better than them and am probably no stronger than them, and if
    I begin to pass judgment on them, I better watch out lest I fall, too."

    I'm so glad you point that out.  Many times people are so quick to point the finger and act all high and mighty.  We're all human and make mistakes.

  • ultravioletskies08@xanga

    These stories you've heard about aren't really that new. People have had mistresses for centuries, it is only that now they have come to light, and people are talking about them. It seems it isn't possible to stay entirely pure and I don't think it's ever been possible; if you are asking for us not to be tempted (from the smallest to the largest charge), you asking for us to not be human. For even when we reflect on our faults or potential faults, it already shows us we've fallen....


    I agree that we can only pray for ourselves and each other, and hope to walk in better light than our own.

  • kipahni@xanga

    I agree with ultravioletskies- Mistresses have been around as long as wives have. It's just with our information age it makes it a lot easier to see who is getting a little nookie on the side.


    That all being said I still think it's possible to remain faithful. Now in light of all these scandles I have been wondering "If a person has an affair does that make him a bad leader?" That I don't know- A pastor I could understand steping down but I am talking about a political leader.

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    Next time, I will share a few practical things I do in my own personal life to avoid being put into situations where I would be tempted to step out of bounds, particularly with the opposite sex. 


    Some of points:


    1.  Sanford did what he did willfully and repeatedly.  He did not suffer from a weak moment.


    2.  Politics is full of pimps, cheats, sex maniacs and hoodlums who get returned to office time and by the voters.


    3.  When voters realize that the governments, state, federal and local, are nothing more than legally sanctioned organized crime syndicates then they won't be so surprised at the conduct of their duely elected crime bosses.


    The Founding Fathers created a system of checks and balances that greatly impeded the efficiency and power of government because they knew what government really is:  a crime syndicate.


    Nevertheless, over time the majority of Americans have grown to trust and rely on government.  This is the real issue, not whether some moral cretin of a politician is porking someone other than his own spouse.

  • rachelserine@xanga

    This post ended up being much better than I was expecting - when I read the titled I groaned. :)  I just have to say - and quite forcefully, if I may - that it is no more or less possible now than it ever was.  Any "purity" that we have is not our own, it is from God.  We do not have one bit of purity in and of ourselves.  Consequently, it is by God's power we are pure at all.  Circumstances may change but God does not.  Time is irrelevant.  :)

  • wolvenchic@xanga

    @MizconstruedJa@xanga - thats what i was going to say =)

  • galadrielspitcher@xanga

    it's not as if men in power having affairs is anything new. but that doesn't mean it isn't shocking, and wrong.

  • deepestrecesses

    Yes, indeed we can stay pure and above reproach.  It requires us to live in the Spirit of God, to Trust in His glory and Strength, and to allow him to remove Sin from our life, and submit and commit to removing any and everything in our life that leads us to sin-- regardless of if it is sin or not.  (Ex. any particular TV show that puts you in a sinful mood lol. )


    Good post though.  Indeed we ALL need to be praying intensely for our Leaders.

  • scrambledmegzntoast@hardestlevel

    People can stay pure. Just obviously not Republican politicians. And ones named Clinton.

  • scrambledmegzntoast@hardestlevel

    @ultravioletskies08@xanga - OK, I forgot him. But what makes him any worse than Mark Sanford? Both cheated on their wives, both were ostensibly running for President. At least Edwards got out of politics, now. Stanford left his state without a Governor for five days, and lied about where he was. Edwards is an adulterer, but Stanford is an adulterer who betrayed the oath of his office. Edit: Oh, well, he deleted his comment but someone referred to John Edwards.

  • TheGreatBout@xanga

    3 Things.

    1. You said it well when you said "Of course, by the grace of God, it is possible to live a life worthy of the calling we have received." That brings me to point two.

    2. Caedmon's Call once had a song called Awake My Soul and some of the lyrics are "This grace gives me fear and this grace draws me near and all that it asks it provides. No one is good enough to save themselves. Awake my soul tonight to boast nothing else."

    3. In the words of Derek Webb, "You can always trust a devil or a politician to be a devil or a politician"

  • BunnyParfait@xanga

    People have "sinned" since the concept of sin was even created, this isn't new kid. 

  • WasaiWarrior@xanga

    It has less to do with people staying or keeping pure as it does with people being sinful and admitting it.  I think people in power aren't more prone to temptation; they're more prone to feeling pressured to hide it, and that pressure is what skews them to go through such great lengths to deceive... which just makes for a more spectacular falling out when it is revealed.

  • mikenpeg@xanga

    It shows that someone who spouts a bunch of religious mantras is not automatically exempted from sin. Why is it that so many religious people, especially men, use their "Christianity" as a crutch to hide this kind of thing?
     The fact that we are so shocked when a public figure we highly admire falls into sin is part of the problem. By placing high profile leaders above reproach, we give them the tools to say things that make us blindly follow them, as well as forget that they are humans. People do themselves a huge favor by not running after leaders- whether they are evangelists, celebrities, politicians, etc.-who look like spiritual giants, trying to get their direction and meaning in life from them. People are not infallible, thus, it is pointless to look to any human being as a spiritual authority equal to Christ. By not worshipping at the shrines of people who seem to 'have it all together', we also dismantle their ability to deceive people through their words while secretly sinning to the extent described above. Humans will sin, and that's why we're not supposed to put humans on a pedestal.

  • nicolevw@xanga

    I am reminded of Casting Crowns song "It's a Slow Fade".   


    It's a slow fade when you give yourself away
    It's a slow fade when black and white have turned to gray
    Thoughts invade, choices are made, a price will be paid
    When you give yourself away
    People never crumble in a day
    It's a slow fade, it's a slow fade

  • SoullFire@xanga

    Please do more than just pray.....

    ..vote those hypocrites out of office if they fail to do the right thing by resigning from their positions.

  • leadworshipper82

    is it possible to stay pure?  no... in and of the person it will never be possible to stay pure... it will only be of a higher Divine power that will make a person pure...


    but i think that we have defined purity as some line you cross or don't cross rather than a direction in life... so it's not what's pure and not pure more so than it is in what direction is purity about... cuz let's face it... many dating teens will do everything under the sun just so long as they don't cross the threshold of what they define as "pure"... and that line changes till finally the lines are blurred and nothing works and honoring God is not an issue anymore...


    as far as politicians/leaders... well... no accountability means no extra eyes and thus the beginning of falling... or jumping head first into adultery... I heard a story of Billy Graham who said that in order to avoid such, he refuses to ride in the car with another woman under NO circumstances... and he daily talked to his accountability elders? so he can again avoid impurity in life...

  • TheSutraDude@xanga

    This is nothing new. It's nothing short of gullible to believe someone who says he or she stands morally higher than their political rival. Look at the Catholic church. Pedophilia has existed behind the pulpit probably for centuries but only in the last couple of decades has sunlight begun to reach into that dark place. I imagine that with the availability of information, the speed at which we can get information, the ability to use the worldwide web to check the validity of any story or fact, we will see many more realities come to light. 100 years ago the Sanfords of the world could continue undetected. They could continue using finger pointing strategies to harm others while claiming themselves to stand for the moral high ground for their own political gain without much fear of being caught in any undefensable way. Giuliani's wife found out about the affair he was carrying on when she saw him admitting the affair to the press. I think the greater issue here is that religion and morality is so twisted that we are lost in life, embracing distorted beliefs which inevitably take us further and further from the truth of life. Because he wanted to be with another woman Gingrich tried to trick his wife into signing divorce papers while she was still groggy after coming out of cancer surgery. Just another example of a person waving the flag of family values and moral values for political gain. It served as a smokescreen for his real life. 

    It's not just in politics. Look at Wall Street. I worked for one of the big investment banking firms doing computer graphics. I remember hearing an executive saying to her colleagues in the summer of 2001, "Washington has finally deregulated. They are finally leaving us alone and allowing business people to do what business people do". I heard that and knew we were in trouble. It took a little over 7 years to do what they did. This is why checks and balances are so important in everything. Sometimes people will believe in the righteousness of their beliefs so strongly that they feel justified to overlook facts and even decency in order to promote their cause. Again, that is why we need checks and balances. 

    In the 1980s the Vatican publicly stated that they officially recognize that the world is round but tied to that statement was the statement that followed which was....still, it was wrong for Galileo to have contradicted church doctrine. That was said in the 1980s! Among the blatantly obvious ironies is the irony that if not for Galileo and a man named Columbus who believed Galileo's theory, there would not be one Christian living in American right now. It's not lost on me that Native Americans probably wished we were all still living in Europe thinking the world is flat. 

    Anyway, there is nothing new in the behavior of people. Just light shining more readily on our behavior. Maybe it will push us to drop the pretense and dogma and learn about ourselves.

  • moonfern@xanga

    Fidelity is not a Christian concept nor is hypocrisy the sole domain of
    politicians.  The guy just keeps digging himself deeper every time he
    opens his mouth.  What this politician has done, like most do who are
    hiding something, is talk too much about conviction but does nothing to
    back it up and hopes it will never be exposed or that people will not
    see it.  Hypocrisy is blind.  The thing with the United States, is that it wants its'
    puritan ethic and at the same time its' HBO After Dark.  It's bizarre.


    You started this post with: "What on earth is happening to our culture?  Yesterday was just insane. Ed McMahon, Farah Fawcett, and Michael Jackson all died, Shaq is traded
    to the Cavs to play with LeBron, and Vince Carter is going to Orlando. 
    But the thing that shook me most yesterday was a front page article in
    The Wall Street Journal about SC governor Mark Sanford and his affair with his Argentinian mistress."


    What do people having died, being traded in the sports arena or an
    idiot governor anything to do with an insane culture or even each
    other?  Farrah Fawcett had cancer, Michael Jackson was sadly mentally and physically
    ill and Ed McMahon was an old sick man.  Shaq and Carter were sports
    figures positioned as sports figures always are.  The Sanford affair is
    just another guy who got caught, albeit in a position of political
    power.

  • FRANK

    The conduct you described is totally normal in this world. 1 Corinthians 5 talks about a son sleeping with his father's presumably new wife. Sounds like a Jerry Springer show item. There were other moral failures mentioned in the Bible.

    The biggest argument is usually whether they are really Christians or merely run of the mill hypocrites.  Christians do a lot of dumb stuff.

    What I have experienced in my life is when I was born again on Feb. 13, 1965 some sins dropped off immediately. Some took some time. Then there were to  2 or 3 that I just did not have victory over consistently. Finally at age 75, the Lord is giving me victory in those areas.

    I think some well know Christian publicly known people get nailed by the media. However, i moved 20 times in 40 years and always went to church. I saw some worship leaders fall, pastors, teachers and elders. We don't even discuss the 50% divorce rate in most churches. It is hard to believe they all meet Biblical standards.

    I am more worried about my purity.  Any of us can fail--hopefully, not on World Wide News!

    blessings

    frank

  • missionary2america@xanga

    My two cents -- no it's not possible to for any of us to stay pure in the pure sense of the word. It's only possible to have things in place in our life to catch it, confess, and repent before it reaches the point of harming and wounding others. People who are idolized and expected to be perfect (an unrealistic expectation) find it especially hard to have these things in place because of their position,  but hopefully some changes in that area will be the redeeming result of all these very disappointing revelations. Personally, I am no longer disappointed when yet another human idol falls. It is ridiculous that they are ever idolized in the first place, because regardless of what comes out of their mouth, we all know they are just as human and fallible as the rest of us. It also seems to me that the more mythological purity surrounds a person, the more likely it is that something is going on in their hidden life. On the other hand, when someone is willing to admit they are perfectly capable of failing but have a group of close trusted friends keeping them accountable, then I have higher hopes and expectations. Humanity in isolation from the light of truth degrades very quickly.

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