Somewhere along the line, Christians took the biblical commands against "perverse language" and "corrupt communication" and equated that with the Seven Words You Can't Say On The Radio.

In fact, those Seven Words seem to have taken on an almost mystical quality among Christian youth, with code words and substitutions being employed ("the b-word," "the f-bomb"). I remember in youth group once I got in trouble for even spelling a curse word out.
We've talked about this before. I remain convinced that verbal practices such as gossip, slander, tearing-down-of-one-another, sowing discord--those practices far better fit the description of "perverse language" than what modern Christianity considers "profanity." You can destroy someone with your tongue (cf. James 3:1-10), and you don't need to use "profanity" to do it. While on the other hand, the only reason "shit" (the Saxon-based word) is profane and "excrement" (the Latin-based word) is not is usage--there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the Saxon word as opposed to the Latin word. In essence, curse words are offensive because they are commonly used as though they are offensive. Social convention, that's all.
Since this discussion has broken out again (with rumor having it that one Christian recording label
balked at publishing a Derek Webb album because, supposedly, one song contained the word "shit"), and since people are talking about why curse words are bad again, I thought I'd point something out.
"Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" (1 Samuel 20:30, KJV)
This is from the part of the Bible where Prince Jonathan covered for David while David snuck off home, and the mad king Saul was ticked because Saul was planning on killing David. Shortly after this exchange, Saul throws a spear and tries to kill his own son.
Look at this passage, though. "Son of a perverse rebellious woman?" Sure, that's the literal translation, but think. Saul's really angry, and he's shouting at his son, but the English translators of many Bible translations seem to be beating around the bush here. What Saul says here,
ben 'avah marduwth, is a colloquialism. In Hebrew it's quite vulgar. Modern English has a very similar colloquialism with an equivalent meaning.
Saul's basically calling Jonathan a "stupid son of a bitch." And it's in the Bible. Just because "son of a perverse rebellious woman" is not a "swear word" outside of Hebrew doesn't take away the meaning of what is being said here. (Some paraphrase translators do translate it "son of a bitch" or "son of a slut")
Now, what am I saying here? Am I saying, "Oh look, Saul did it, it's okay for me too!" Hardly. Saul isn't exactly the sort of example I'd want to emulate--and he's certainly using the phrase to tear down his son Jonathan, which would make this fall under the "corrupt communication" category. But what I'm saying is that there's
nothing so wrong with the phrase itself that the writers of the Bible didn't dare record it. It's wrong to address someone with a phrase like that--to use my tongue to hurt others. It's not wrong to simply say or write the word--nothing intrinsically wrong with the word itself. I don't need to cover it up by saying "the b-word."
"The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. And he [Jesus]
said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected." (Luke 13:31-32)
Now it gets tricky. We have Jesus talking here--one whose actions and words Christians DO want to emulate. And Jesus calls Herod a fox. That may not sound like such a bad thing in modern English, but remember that in that culture it was a great insult--essentially a "curse word"--to call someone a dog, and a fox is in the dog family.
When Jesus insulted people, he generally didn't seem to go out of his way to insult them, but he did call things as he saw them. His insults tended to be descriptive. The most common things he called the Pharisees were "blind guides" and "hypocrites." If he called Herod a "fox," it makes sense that this was a descriptive insult--presumably saying that Herod was crafty or wily or cowardly.
Elsewhere in the gospels, both Jesus and John the Baptist refer to certain people as "vipers," or a "generation of vipers." Again, this seems descriptive of particular traits, not something Jesus threw around indiscriminately. I don't know if "vipers" was as offensive in that culture as "fox" was, though. But the point being, in either case, the writers of the Bible didn't "bleep out" Jesus, or "bleep out" Saul. They recorded it as it was said.
The language usage of the Bible extends to the scatological, too. Check out Philippians 3:8.
"Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ..." (Philippians 3:8, KJV)
I've heard praise songs based on this verse. Perhaps unsurprisingly, none of them included the part about dung.
Some modern translations put it, "I consider them rubbish" or "I count them as garbage" or more rarely "filth." Which can be a correct translation, though the Greek word being translated (
skubalon) can also refer to literal animal dung. I would hazard that a colloquial modern equivalent might be something like "They're not worth shit." (But then, you're also talking to someone who hears "Hell no!" every time Paul writes "Certainly not!")
Michael J. Sviegel agrees, albeit in a humor column.
"The problem with translations like “refuse” and “rubbish” in today’s idiom is that the recent movement... towards recycling implies that almost all refuse or rubbish has some value. Likewise, even “dung” could be construed as having usefulness at least as fertilizer. Only a harsher term like “crap” would indicate the utter uselessness that Paul had in mind."Even leaving off my colorful self-paraphrase, it seems an odd place for a scatological reference. Half of the reason words like "shit" are considered profanity is that they deal with unclean bodily fluids (the other half being their origins in a peasant language)--so why does Paul choose a word that references such? He doesn't seem afraid to reference unpleasant bodily functions to describe things he finds distasteful or useless.
You also have the Old Testament custom of describing adult male as "he who pisseth against a wall"--one's method of urination being part of what defines one. Again, there's no real way around the fact that the original language of the Bible was not always squeamish when it came to describing bodily fluids. (There are times when it is--someone defecating is described through the careful euphemism "covering their feet," such as Saul in David's cave or where the guards thought King Eglon was.)
Again, my point is that there is nothing wrong with saying or writing the words themselves. My stance is that there is nothing wrong with the particular sequence of vowels and consonants that make up curse words. They're only wrong if they're used in a wrong way--to harm.
There are words that the Bible says we should not say, or at least not say without very good reason and in the right attitude. But rather than being crude words or words referring to vulgar bodily acts (shit, ass, fuck) or insulting/cursing words (damn, hell, bitch, bastard), the words we should be careful saying are the holy, sacred words.
"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."The writers of the Bible held the name of God to be so holy, they would never pronounce it aloud--they would only write it down. When reading the Bible aloud, when they got to the place where the Tetragrammaton (the name of God) was written, instead they would say "Adonai" (which means "My lord"). In fact, centuries later when vowel marks were incorporated into the Hebrew language, copiers of the Bible put Adonai's vowels into the YHWH consonants (possibly because by that point the correct pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton had long since been forgotten). (Later, the mistaken combination of the two words by those who didn't understand the tradition gave us the combination word Yehovah.)
If there are any words that we as Christians aren't supposed to say lightly, it's not what we've come to understand as the "curse words," but rather the holy ones. With the "curse words," there's nothing intrinsically wrong with pronouncing them, only with how we use them.
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@MrZissman@xanga - Seems to me people will make any and every excuse to forget about holiness.
@rabbi_cowboy@xanga - It's because people don't want to actually take up their cross and follow Jesus, but instead wear religion like a fashion statement. For those who try to find as many loop holes as possible to excuse what they do. Am I perfect? Hardly. There is sin in my life, just like any other person. But I recognize it's sin and though I struggle with it daily, I do not attempt to justify it by taking Bible verses out of contest. (Because really, the whole Jesus/Fox thing was going out on a limb)
Which brings me to another rant, ReveLife, as a whole, has gone amazingly downhill lately. There doesn't seem to be any attempt to really get in dept with Jesus or study the Gospel at all, but instead carries the same baby pool depth spirtuality one might get from an episode of Oprah. It's a shame, really, because ReveLife was one of my favorite things to read on Xanga.
I LOVE YOU. the end.
It happens.
But that is not the question.
On one hand, language expresses, it communicates what is in the heart. It happens. It is there. Yes. No doubt. Do not pretend. We all know what we are born into. We are born in mud. We are born sluts. We are born criminals, I think. We cannot deny that. We have to be honest about disaster (repent, so to speak). We should first realize that we are sinners. We feel. We lie. We curse. We fall short. The list goes on. That is step one, in a way. But that is not the question. We are not here to say, "We can curse, we can sin, we can do whatever we want........" I mean, we are born into that world..... this is where we come from, if we choose the only Way out of this mess.......
But the question is about the heart.......
On one hand, you can say what you wish...... go ahead..... but I won't support it on this other hand, in all due respect..... we can do better..... only through Jesus....... be careful when looking at the Bible....... be careful when saying, "I can do this, I can do that, because he did it, she did it, Jesus did it, they did it, we all do it, we have to do it, we could do it, I want to do that........."
I did like this post.
But I am a little scared about the responses to this post. You can disagree with me. You can curse me out. Go ahead. You have the choice. But I will choose not to...... I am not even sure if I am really communicating what I am saying........ but can you curse...... some will say no...... but I say, Hell yeah.... excuse me...... I mean, you should have reason for it...... and you should choose for control over your tongue......................
............because we are to be, instead........... lights..........
@mj_degreat@xanga - It is your choice to believe in Him or not. But as a believer, it is a great joyful for me if you can also believe in God.
Nicely done. Thorough, mature and accurate...thanks.
Hope you don't mind me commenting on an older entry, but I'm hopping links from one to the next here. This one needed to be written. Thank you for bringing it up.
I have a few thoughts to share on this, but first a quick story:
A preacher at a church I used to attend did a lesson on this in the singles class I was in at the time, making the point that words we consider profane are never used to edify, but always to harm. But someone then replied "That was a damn good sermon," and he took it back. He admitted to being stumped on that one.
I have said at least once back in my own blog and comments elsewhere on Xanga that I believe in both absolute and relative truth, and this is a great example: as established in Scripture, one should not use coarse/vulgar language -- an absolute truth. What each person considers vulgar, then, is a relative truth, specifically because it's culturally defined.
To add to that example, back in jr. high school, I had a history teacher who was offended by words such as "darn", and my wife grew up under the rule that she and her siblings could never say "butt".
Lastly though -- and I think in my glancing over comments, someone already brought this up -- there's that verse of Paul's that talks about what is permissible. The context there is he's talking about not eating meat around certain people even though it for yourself may be permissible. With this in mind, my langage tends to loosen or tighten depending on who I'm around.
For example, among my wife and close friends, I will often say "douchebag" or even "badass" in light-hearted, joking ways -- heck, the former of the two words is often used in my small group. Someone once noted the "love your God, love your neighbor" commandement basically equated to an "anti-douchebaggery law". However, if I'm around someone who (a) I know finds those words offensive even though I don't, or (b) I don't know how they feel about those words, I simply won't use them. Maybe it's permisable for me, but I won't let it be a stumbling block for someone else.
Lastly, there are words I simply won't use, except for occassoinal slip-of-the-tongue accidents, such as "fuck". Even though the same standard applies to this as all the other words mentioned, to me it has an incredibly ugly connotation. I think this is because today, the word is horribly, horrilby overused, and tends to lend itself to deployment by uneducated lips and truly vulgar, hateful people.Even then though, I still have to admit I chuckle at creative uses of it when deployed in non-harmful ways.
this is great.. I've been working on an article about this and I'm exploring to see what others have said. this is basically along the lines of what i was thinking. you kind of implied it but i would point out that most if not all of the "bad words" we know of today didn't even exist until after the bible was written.
It's amazing how people take the word of somone that doesn't know what they are talking about as truth. That shows how stupid people have become. People are to lazy to do any research (like read the Bible your self). But the problem is that the layman can not understand the Bible, in fact you have to have the Holy Spirit, you have to be born again to understand what is said.
Good luck at the gate.
@mj_degreat@xanga -
I believe that the Bible is not all fairytales. For one, there is
history and culture in there. The Old Testament is a written tracking of
the Hebrew people. And what she meant by "God's words" was that God
gave the thoughts and inspiration for the books of the Bible, be it the
histories, prophecies, poetry, or letters.
And as for the comment on the Bible's authors, they were humans living in their own time periods. They expressed their emotions and feelings, wants and desires, through the languages of their time. It was originally written for people in a very different time period than us. They would understand the things written then.
منتديات حوامل |
الولادة الطبيعية |
الولادة القيصرية |
الحمل والولادة |
دردشة حوامل |
اطفال الانابيب |
اعراض الحمل |
علامات الولادة |
علامات الحمل |
الاجهاض |
ملابس اطفال |
مراحل الجنين |
الوحم |
حساب موعد الولادة |
حساب الحمل |
طرق الحمل |
علامات الحمل بولد |
علامات الحمل بتوأم |
بعد الاجهاض |
اسباب الاجهاض |
الحمل بعد الاجهاض |
اعراض الاجهاض |
حكم الاجهاض |
حبوب الاجهاض |
الاجهاض المنزلي |
الاجهاض بالاعشاب |
تنظيف الرحم |
الدورة بعد الاجهاض |
الرحم بعد الاجهاض |
نمو الجنين |
مراحل نمو الجنين |
مراحل الحمل بالصور |
ولادة طبيعية يوتيوب |
الاجهاض المتكرر |
الوحم اثناء الحمل |
علاج الوحم |
اعراض الوحم |
متى يبدا الوحم |
تحديد موعد الولادة |
جدول الحمل |
طريقه الحمل |
حبوب ياسمين |
حبوب جينيرا |
حبوب مارفيلون |
ايام التبويض |
فترة التبويض |
ايام الحمل |
التبويض عند المرأة |
التبويض بالصور |
علاج تكيس المبايض |
تكيس المبايض وعلاجه |
منع الحمل |
ولادة طبيعية |
ولادة فيديو |
ولادة قيصرية فيديو |
اسماء بنات مواليد |
اسماء بنات |
اسماء مواليد جديدة |
حبوب منع الحمل |
التبويض |
تكيس المبايض |
المبايض |
فساتين حوامل |
فترة النفاس |
مراحل الحمل |
حبوب الحمل |
اللولب |
موانع الحمل |
اشهر الحمل |
سكر الحمل |
هرمون الحمل |
هرمونات الحمل |
علاج الحمل |
الجماع والحمل |
لمنع الحمل |
اضرار الحمل |
ايام الحمل |
اختبار الحمل |
اختبارات الحمل |
تحليل الحمل |
الولادة المبكرة |
صور ولادة |
فيديو ولادة |
اسماء مواليد |
ازياء اطفال |
صور حوامل |
علاج العقم |
ازياء حوامل |
نمو الجنين |
جنس الجنين |
حركة الجنين |
هدايا مواليد |
الولادة |
حبوب الحديد |
تسهيل الولادة |
مستشفى الوطني |
مستشفى العسكري |
مستشفى الدمام |
مستشفى الولادة والاطفال |
مستشفى الولادة |
الرضاعة الطبيعية |
الرضاعة الصناعية |
ملابس حوامل |
الحمل الكاذب |
الطلق الصناعي |
تأخر الدورة |
الالم الدورة |
حبوب الكلوميد |
الكلوميد |
حمض الفوليك |
حبوب الفوليك |
دخول في الشهر العاشر |
نزول المشيمة |
نزول الدم اثناء الحمل |
غذاء الحامل |
الجماع اثناء الحمل |
الجنس والحمل |
الأزياء |
علاج الغثيان |
علاج الإمساك |
الختان |
منتديات نسائية |
منتدى نسائي |
السوق النسائي |
الاكسسوارات |
المكياج |
العطور |
العناية بالشعر |
العناية بالبشرة |
الرشاقة |
الرشاقة والصحة |
العروس |
السوق التجاري |
الوظائف النسائية |
المشكلات الأسرية |
المطلقات |
الأرامل |
الدايت شوب |
ديكور المنزل |
ديكور المطبخ |
الطب البديل |
الصحة الغذائية |
الحمل الكاذب |
الحمل خارج الرحم |
حساب الوزن |
التحويل الهجري الى الميلادي |
حساب العمر |
التجارة الالكترونية |
بوابة التجارة |
منتدى التجارة |
منتديات التجارة |
منتديات تجارية |
أمازون |
بيدز |
بايز |
منتجات أبل |
آي فون |
البلاك بيري |
بنوتات |
منتديات بنوتات |
منتديات نسائية |
العلوم الطبيعية |
منتديات تعليمية |
منتدى التعليم |
منتدى التربية والتعليم |
دم الحمل |
تحليل الحمل المنزلي |
اسباب تاخر الحمل |
تنظيم الحمل |
الحمل الطبيعي |
بعد الحمل |
حساب الحمل والولادة |
صور الحمل |
المواد التعليمية |
العلوم الطبيعية |
تحاضير العلوم الطبيعية |
المواد العملية |
تحاضير المواد العملية |
اللغة الانجليزية |
تحاضير اللغة الانجليزية |
العلوم الدينية |
تحاضير العلوم الدينية |
اللغة العربية |
تحاضير اللغة العربية |
التربية الخاصة |
الاجتماعيات و التربية الوطنية |
تحاضير مواد الاجتماعيات |
المواد العملية |
تحاضير المواد العملية |
محو الأمية |
رياض الاطفال |
مجموعة اتفاق |
إتفاق |
تاخر الحمل |
@Pashe@Pashe@xanga - One more EDUCATED black man? I take this as an insult towards black men by the EDUCATED being blown up, does this mean you have an attitude towards the uneducated black man or simply feel EDUCATED black men are not often? I would like to understand what mindframe you were in when choosing this little saying please.
No disrespect
Matthew 12:34 "For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks". Whatever talks about and the words he uses indicates what is really in his heart.
Matthew 12:36 "You shall give an account for every idle word you speak". A person has the "freedom" to use whatever words he choses. In the end, he will explain their use before God himself...may want to think before we speak...
@xximperfectgaffexx@xanga - Yes, "hell" and "damn" are in the Bible, but you shouldn't belittle them. They're not funny things.
It is not wrong to call a profane thing or act by a profane name. Lot's of people use euphemisms for having sex; 'doing it,' 'doing the wild thing,' 'gettin it on,' there are too many phrases people use to talk about practicing sexual immorality. Sex has simply become no big deal. The interesting thing, from God's perspective, is that he condemns sexual immorality of every kind. Sexual immorality is profane in God's eyes, so when people practice sexual immorality they are fucking. I'm not saying Christians should use profanity regularly, but when speaking of a profane thing then we should use the proper words. This is exactly how the words are used in Scripture.
@Pashe@xanga - I know this is a 4 yr old post, but for the record, your comment really concerns me. Why do you think it's best to use the word "fuck" to make people laugh or when you're angry? The word "fuck" means to have sexual intercourse, like "shit" means excrement, even though people use the word(s) to convey a variety of meanings. For instance, "Don't fuck with me." means "Don't mess with me (or don't use me)." God's view of sex is that it is to bind two people and is two people who are giving themselves to each other, not using each other. So, to use the term "fuck" that way, is to redefine sex. I don't see how a person can use the word "fuck" in a casual way without degrading others, their self, or God. At the very least, it's not funny. Why do people think it's funny? Have you thought about that? People who use that word casually are most likely hurt people, and using that word and other's casually continues to reinforce lies that they believe about themselves, others and God.
Interesting, sometimes funny article.
I still think it was awfully uncouth of the vice-prez to say "a big f-ing deal."... totally classless.