Wednesday, 20 May 2009

  • Teacher: Read This Book That Offends You or Drop the Class

    Last week, a student in my Literature class dropped out because she didn't want to read a controversial book that the teacher had assigned. The book was classified under gay and lesbian literature. The novel revolved around two protagonists: one was a hermaphrodite, and the other was married to her own brother. There were also some explicit sexual scenes, both heterosexual and homosexual. Most of the students who are Christian (myself included) enjoyed the novel despite the controversial subjects involved; some, like the student I just mentioned, were uncomfortable with the topics.

    The student approached the teacher and asked if she could be assigned an alternate reading, because the book offended her moral views. The teacher, being a gay atheist man, was offended as well. "Absolutely not," he told her. "Either you read it or you drop the class."

    The student went home and told her mother what had happened. The next day, her mother went to school to talk to the teacher. She posed the same question: could the teacher assign her daughter an alternate reading instead?

    They had a huge argument. According to my teacher and speculations by other students, here is the gist of what they said:

    Teacher: "This book should be appreciated for its stylistic value, and it shouldn't be put down just because it contained subjects that some people find offensive."
    Mother: "I don't care if you assign it to other students. My daughter and I find it offensive, and she shouldn't be forced to read it if she's uncomfortable with it."
    Teacher: "I think you're being intolerant and narrow-minded. You judge people based on your own moral values."
    Mother: "I'm not committing a hate crime here. I'm not asking you to pull it from the curriculum. Other students can read it if they want. All I want is for you to allow my daughter to read something that she doesn't find offensive."
    Teacher: "Have you read this book?"
    Mother: "No, but I know what it's about."
    Teacher: "I don't even understand why you're even talking to me if you haven't read the book."
    Mother: "I just don't want my daughter being exposed to subjects like incest."
    Teacher: "Please leave. If you haven't even read the book, you're wasting my time."

    She left. And like I said, the student chose to withdraw from the class.

    I would like to get some opinions from both Christian and non-Christian readers. Do you think the mother was being narrow-minded and ignorant? Or do you think the teacher was being rude and hostile? Or do you think they are both at fault here?

Comments (498)

  • verucagirl@xanga

    Hmmm.  That should be worthy of a little piece in the local paper, or a mention at the next public school board meeting.  Good for the student, for sticking up for their values.  WHAT school was this, where the teacher is allowed to take such a stalwart stance on something without any input from the board?  PS what was the name of the book!


  • ego_sum_nemo@xanga

    If this is a public school, the parent could have gone to the principal and gotten a very different response.

    I'm not offended by... well... anything. But in high school I had a similar situation. After reading the Diary of Anne Frank a teacher had a longstanding tradition of having the students wear a yellow star of david throughout an entire day of school. Since all the other students had already been through this, they knew to treat the kids a little different, but not cross any lines. I fully believe its a good exercise, but asked that he use some other symbol. In a public school he flat out told me that I would wear a religious symbol on my clothing all day, or fail the class. It's a required class, dropping is impossible. Lets just say once my angry father got involved, this assignment was never an issue again, and the teacher proceeded to apologize to me.

  • LadyLibellule@xanga

    They were both rude.

    That said, why bother going to college if you're just going to find fault with the assigned books?  Perhaps a religious college would suit this girl better.

    Then again, it's not like reading a book will kill you.

  • just_the_average_jane@xanga

    While the teacher could have handled it more diplomatically, I feel that he is justified in asking his students to read the book.  What good does it do to only read the things that you agree with?  Certainly, she shouldn't be required to agree with the views entertained in the book, but that's not an excuse for flat out refusing to read it.  I've had atheist professors assign readings out of the Bible, for example.

  • justagirl11

    I don't think a student should be forced to read a book that they find offensive.  When I was in school, if a parent or student objected to something (whether it was dissection or a literature choice), they would be assigned something else that was, admittedly, much harder (to prevent other students from just trying to get out of the readings).


    Although what you quoted I'm guessing wasn't a direct quote, it seems like the teacher was being more judgmental than the parent by automatically assuming that she was intolerant and narrow-minded.  There's a difference between telling someone not to teach it and asking to be personally excused from reading it. 

  • BohemianLamb@xanga

    Personally, I would have just read it. I can appreciate a piece of literature or art for what it is and not necessarily have the content cloud my judgment.

    My concern lies in the violation of the person who has a religious objection to the material. It isn't always that they are being narrow minded and tolerant, although I know this is more often the case than not. But what about those who feel that sexual thoughts and feelings outside of a heterosexual marriage are a sin, and who struggle with that issue? What if they are struggling to adhere to a spiritual standard they have set for themselves (regardless of what the Bible says - this could go for a non-Christian religion as well)? What if by knowing what the book contains, they know that the book is going to cause them to sin and do something they don't want to do? Why should they be forced to do that, regardless of how dumb the rest of us might think it is that they don't want to?

    This is an extreme example, but it holds the same concept for me: Would it be right to tell a female Muslim student to strip down to her underwear for a bikini painting project in an art class with male students, or drop the class if not? Would it not be fair for her to ask for an alternative assignment that does not cause her to violate her beliefs? I would be aghast if a professor told her she had to remove even just her hijab in front of male students or drop the class. I'm inclined to think most people would agree with me. Why should the Christian girl be treated with any less respect?

    So, I think the professor was wrong, because he should have offered an alternative if she requested it. She wasn't asking to get out of any work or anything like that. She was simply asking for work that wouldn't violate her beliefs or possibly cause her to sin in her own mind. If he was any kind of professor worth his salt, he would have been easily able to immediately think of a similar work of literature of the same volume, complexity, and "lesson" that didn't involve sexual sin for her.

  • XxFireXboltxX@xanga

    Well, if the bible had been assigned reading and there was an atheist in the class who was offended...it'd be a totally different story. The teacher would be in all kinds of trouble and the news would be all over it. Everyone can be offended by Christianity but Christians can't be offended by anything.

    Personally, I would've been very offended by the book but just read it anyway, or skimmed it. After graduating college the biggest thing I learned was that it's just better to deal with things --- make sure your faith is strong and you know where you stand on certain subjects.

  • eowynnabeeowyn@xanga

    Okay, as a person who was forced to read sexually explicit, "classic" literature in high school, and as a secondary education major in college, I can't even say what I want to say about that teacher right here, because it would involve a LOT OF NASTY WORDS, and this audience seems sensitive. :)


    I am inclined to believe that the teacher is almost 100% at fault.  I understand that the school can't bend to every parent's will, but alternate reading is NOT a big deal (certainly not something over which a mother should be forced to homeschool her child), and you can bet your rear that if it were a book containing a bunch of racial slurs that one of the students found offensive, they wouldn't have to read it if they complained.


    There should either be a law that requires teachers to provide alternate reading at the same level, or there should be some sort of rating system for literature to ensure appropriate material only is allowed.  Books don't have to be censored, but they don't have to be forced on students either.  If it were a movie with an R rating, that guy would have been immediately fired.


    I don't care if that student and mother really were narrow-minded, hysterical classroom trolls -- the way that teacher handled it was completely in the wrong.  THIS is the kind of crap that only assures me in my decision not to be a teacher after graduation.  I'd be so constantly infuriated at the injustices going on in our educational system, I'd explode.

  • nyclegodesi24@xanga

    Hmmm. I'm really not sure. I will say that people praise the stylistic content of Mein Kampf, should we allow that to be read? Why not really good literature that promotes racism? This is intended as a counter-point to the notion that we have to be open-minded and read stuff that we find offensive. My question is: do you truly believe that? How you look at this subject is largely determined by the moral views you bring to it.

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    I withdrew from a college class for this reason. My family was aware of what the book was and did not want me to read it at my age (I started college during high school). Now that I'm older I would stay in and read it. At the time I think it was a good decision to withdraw.

  • MissPixieGlitter@xanga

    i think the teacher could have handled the situation less crudely. but in the end it is his choice to teach what he deems appropriate, and she has the option to drop if she disagrees.

  • Lil_Firefly_25@xanga

    As a Christian, I will say she is judging literature on its content rather than its literary worth when she cannot even judge the book because she hasn't read it. I have read quite a few controversial things in my AP English class (i.e. Oedipus Rex), but we were all excited to learn and be introduced to new literature. The student and parent should have been more open-minded.

  • sarahzthoughts@xanga

    I understand how literature can possibly cause a person to sin in their own mind and therefore they'd be better off not reading it, but then again...if you're worried about seeing/reading things that may offend you and cause you to stumble, you might as well move to your own private island or something, because the world is full of sin.


    That girl may have refused to read an offensive book, but there are so many other things in this world that are offensive, so much that the content of a book she'll only have to read once should be the LEAST of her worries in my opinion.

  • MiladyMasked@xanga

    Sorry, they call it a reading "assignment" because it's the teacher's choice, not yours.  They're not forcing the student to agree that incest/homosexuality is good-  they're just exposing them to literature involving that, potentially to stimulate classroom discussion about it.  In the real world, you can't just get out of something if you don't like it.  I think higher income taxes for the hard-working middle class are dumb, but the government's still going to take my family's money.  Also, I don't know what book this is, but I wonder perhaps if the book's "obscenity" was overexaggerated-  did the relatives *know* they were related when they married?  Because if not, shizzle like this is still going down in Alabama.  And hey now, hermaphrodites aren't evil incarnate, they just happen to be born with the best of both worlds...

  • Pcgecko85@xanga

    Sounds like the student is narrow minded.  What a bunch of whiners.  Back in the 50's she would have gotten the ruler!

    "Everyday we are getting weaker"
    -In flames

    toughen up people. 

  • shards_of_beauty@xanga

    I think that books that have controversial issues need to be read, but explicit sex scenes are something that many Christians, myself included, do not think we need to put into our minds.  I think the student should have done some research ahead of time as to the content of the class and chosen a different one, but I also think the professor ought to have worked with her a bit; it's not too hard to find a book with common themes that might be less offensive.

  • stuartandabby@xanga

    The post doesn't specify iirc whether it's high school or college, public or private, etc.  I'd guess high school given that the mother is meeting with the teacher.

    If the student is less than 18, I have a hard time saying that they have to read it.  People have different opinions on how children should be raised.  Short of things like downright abuse or whatever, parents can choose to raise their kids as they see fit.  Some can consider this lady's actions too sheltering and overprotective, but I think it's not the teacher's decision to make on this.  Teachers act in loco parentis, but parents get the ultimate say.

    I feel that some of the above commenters made good points (what if you were asking a Jew to read Mein Kampff, or an atheist to read the Bible, etc.), which many of the others commenting overlooked.

    Personally, I imagine I would have had my child read it (or read it myself were I the child), but I respect another parent's right to choose otherwise.

  • LadyLibellule@xanga

    @XxFireXboltxX@xanga - The only class where the Bible would be assigned reading would be a religion class.  And people who took that would know what they were getting into.

    It's not like atheists would sign up for a religion course and then refuse to read everything (unless they were trying to make a point about how silly some Christians are being when they do the same thing with other reading material).

  • mycontinuity@xanga

    I'd side with the mother and the daughter if it was a high school class. If it happened in college, then I'd side with the teacher.


    In my religion class (college) we couldn't cover pagan practices that are in Christian/Catholic customs because it offended some of the Catholic students to know the real history of Christmas trees, yule logs, Easter eggs etc.


    If the book you're talking about is Middlesex, the main character wasn't a hermaphrodite, but had another intersex condition.

  • the_earth_isnt_humming@xanga

    Sometimes I wonder if some Christians have really paid attention to the kind of material that is in the Bible.  It is not G-rated by any means, actually if you made a realistic film of the Bible then I don't even think they would allow it to have an R rating.  I understand that some things can lead Christians to temptation and some subjects Christians are sensitive to, but Christians need to read these books partly because that is what education is--learning things and finding out how you view them so that you can strengthen your own viewpoints and then talk to others using those things you have read or learned about.  Everything is used for the glory of God.  Depravity leads humanity to search for something that could fill the emptiness and fix their brokenness.  The Bible is probably one of the greatest, most controversial, most "un-Christian" books out there...but that is because Christians think that life, education, relationships, etc. should all be safe, comfortable and g-rated.  We are afraid of being vulnerable, being tempted, giving in to righteous anger, etc.  Was Christ afraid of these things? No. And that is what made him so revolutionary.  I think think both people in this situation were being self righteous.  I think the mother was being ignorant and I think the teacher was not being clear on his reasons for assigning the book.  Every teacher I had that assigned works that may have offended my faith (though none of them did) had a reason for assigining them.  There was something significant in them that represented a portion of the human experience, some truth that was transcendant.  Literature, films, music, etc. all do this.  If the parents are going to complain about the reading assignments then they also need to protect their kids from the theatres, the radio stations, their friends, everyone in their schools and everyone at their jobs.  Let's face it, we are surrounded by a Christ-less culture and isolation is not the answer (and plus I don't think you can completely isolate them).  We need to teach our kids to be firm in their faith, to have tough hearts in discernment of culture and soft hearts in compassion for other people and teach them that no matter where they go, what they do, who they talk to, what they learn, what circumstances they end up in, etc. the Spirit is always there to guide them.  This is life with all of its difficulty and challenges.  Embrace it and help in redeeming it by showing the love and truth of Christ.

  • echois23@xanga

    I think it has a lot of factors that make a difference that were left out. Like is this a college or highschool? In highschool we expect students reading choices to be more protected and to see mothers show up if they don't like the choices. In college I think one of the points is to expand our minds beyond what we were raised with, to get us outside our comfort zones and parents should never show up in a classroom to argue for their adult child. Another factor is what type of literature class it is, if you sign up for a childrens lit class you might be surprised to find such a book included but should not be surprised to see it in some other classes. I think if you know the truth you need not fear the lie so I am not afraid of reading any book out there. 

  • zenichka@xanga

    @Pcgecko85@xanga - well... toughen up, yeah, but i agree that teacher could've handled the situation more diplomatically. 


    @XxFireXboltxX@xanga - i agree. ah, the age of tolerance for anything, except Christianity. funny... and sad.
    i had a teacher who had alternate views from what i believed in and who assigned books that i found awkward to read at first, but then i tried to see the art value in them - i did skim the parts that were... um... too detailed for me. but i did read the books and i actually enjoyed discussing the book afterwards in the class. mainly because the teacher wasn't afraid of arguments. he was open to other people's points of view.
    it was the same teacher who taught me to see value in people (and things) that initially appear "different." i admit, i started out hating him, but because he wasn't intimidated, but rather amused, we became friends. 
    and i absolutely can't stand that mom's phrase "i haven't read the book but i know what it's about" - with my addiction to reading, it literally drives me nuts to hear that. GRRR...
  • chix0rgirl@xanga

    Liberal Christian here, and I think they're both slightly at fault with prejudices in mind. 

  • StepHyKu2517___v3v@xanga

    Teacher .....
    I don't like teacher ....

  • Kristenmomof3@xanga

    @BohemianLamb@xanga - I agree with what you said and I think you said it very well.

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