Sunday, 19 April 2009
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Prayer: Why Can’t You Always Get What You Want? (Apologies to Mr. Jagger)
by mr willow
Here’s a thought about prayer. Sometimes people get exactly what they pray for. Other times they don’t. What’s up? Is God unreliable? Does it show that “answered prayer” is just a lucky coincidence? And, either way, why pray if the answer isn’t certain? One commenter on Revelife recently put it this way:
…if a person doesn't believe that God is going to act the same way in every other case... why bother being a Christian? I mean, if prayer works for you, but it doesn't work for the guy down the street, why should he bother? Why should people believe in a deity that doesn't follow rules? How on earth would you ever know what to do if doing one thing got you a certain result one day, and doing the same thing the next week got you the opposite result?
The author of that particular comment is not herself a Christian, but that doesn’t much matter—I suspect many believers might not know the answer to this either. There’s a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation out there about prayer, and this question is a good opportunity to put a few things in perspective. I'm obviously not able to exhaustively cover the subject of prayer, which has filled many volumes, but I think I can offer a few good starting points.
Let’s break it down in simply: What this line of argument objects is that there’s no “deity that follows rules”—that is, two people might pray to God for the same thing and get two different answers. For that matter, the same person might pray to God for the same thing at two different times and get two different answers. Whatever else we can say about prayer, it’s obvious to everyone, saints and skeptics alike, that prayer doesn’t work like a magic charm or a chemical formula.
I’m glad. If it did work that way, it would prove the Christian view of prayer incorrect.
If you want a religion that offers you a magic machine that always produces the same results whenever you push the right buttons, I’m afraid Christianity won’t help you much. (Some televangelists may tell you otherwise, but they also think Donald Trump hair is a good idea, so their judgment is clearly questionable.) God is not a mindless machine that must always follow the rules, but a personal being who makes the rules. He has intelligence, emotions, wisdom, foresight, and the ability to make decisions. He’s somebody we can get to know, love, and trust.
Christianity does not offer a magical formula; it offers a heavenly Father. The point of prayer is asking God about something, and asking requires that He can make a decision about it—ideally, it requires that you submit to His decision about it. When you think about it seriously, you have to realize it’s very much for the best: If every time you asked God to do something He did it without any qualification, you wouldn’t have a God; you’d have a genie without a bottle. This kind of thinking was admirably debunked by C. S. Lewis:
…God has left Himself a discretionary power. Had He not done so, prayer would be an activity too dangerous for man and we should have the horrible state of things envisaged by Juvenal: “Enormous prayers which Heaven in anger grants.”
Prayers are not always—in the crude, factual sense of the word—“granted.” This is not because prayer is a weaker kind of causality, but because it is a stronger kind. When it “works” at all it works unlimited by space and time. That is why God has retained a discretionary power of granting or refusing it; except on that condition prayer would destroy us. It is not unreasonable for a headmaster to say, “Such and such things you may do according to the fixed rules of this school. But such and such other things are too dangerous to be left to general rules. If you want to do them you must come and make a request and talk over the whole matter with me in my study. And then—we'll see.”(God in the Dock, “Work and Prayer”)
What’s truly important is not that God gives you things; it’s that you have a good relationship with Him. The main point of praying is not to get the things you need; it’s to trust in our Father, who cares about us and (incidentally) is also wise and good enough provide everything we really need. We are seeking not to get the gift but to get to know the giver. When you examine the Scriptures on prayer, you realize that’s precisely what they’re all saying:
[Jesus speaking] Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. (Matthew 6:31-33)
…casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you. (1 Peter 5:7)
Delight yourself also in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to the LORD, Trust also in Him, And He shall bring it to pass. (Psalm 37:4-5)
[Jesus speaking] “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.” (John 15:7)
Once we understand God in this way—not as a formula to be worked, but as a Father to be trusted—the answer to the seeming dilemma is easy. Of course God is not obligated to give the same answer to two different people’s requests, any more than you or I are obligated to give the same answer to two different people’s requests. It all depends on the relationship between them.
Suppose a father has three children. One of them hates him, distrusts him, and has spread rumors in public that he’s not really her biological father. The second loves his father very much, but has been hanging out with the wrong crowd lately and has a stash of drugs in his room. The third has been spending all her free time lately working in her father’s charitable organization feeding the homeless. Now suppose each of these children independently ask their father to give them $100. Will the father respond to each of them in exactly the same way? Of course not. The request is the same, but the requesters aren’t.
Or again, suppose a child asks his father to buy him a chemistry set. The answer will probably be one thing if the child is a budding scientist who dreams of finding a cure for cancer, and another thing entirely if the child is clumsy and always manages to spill things on himself. What might be the best thing for one child would be the worst possible thing for another; conversely, what might be bad for the child now might be fine once they mature a bit more. If the decision is left up to the father, it may not necessarily be the decision the child wants. But, since the father loves his child, and is presumably more intelligent than the child may be, it will certainly be the decision that is best.
Don’t misunderstand. My point is emphatically not “Whether or not your prayer gets answered depends on whether you’re good enough, or how much faith you have, or something like that.” It’s that it doesn’t depend on you at all. Your job is simply to seek God, not for what He does, but for who He is.
No father—no person at all—wants a child or a friend who only shows up when they need something from him and never stick around to develop a relationship. Nobody wants “foul-weather friends.” But if you take the time to get to know God, you’ll find more and more that what you want lines up with what He wants for you. And when you pray those prayers that truly do line up with what God wants, there’s no power in earth or heaven that will stand in your way.
God certainly does answer prayer—R. A. Torrey went so far as to say that the journals of George Mueller were conclusive proof of the existence of God. (If you don’t know who George Mueller is, drop everything and go find out about him right now. It will change your life. I’m not exaggerating.) But that’s not the reason to bother being a Christian. The reason—at least, the reason that has to do with prayer—is that you can find peace in handing over your worries to Someone who can handle them. The bigger reason is that God offers forgiveness, restoration, new beginnings, new life, unfailing love... and those are a few requests He does always grant to whoever asks Him.
For further reading:
You just knew I was going to mention R. A. Torrey, didn’t you? There’s at least half a dozen fantastic articles about prayer on the Archive; a great one to start with is The Prayer of Faith. Other classic authors on the subject of prayer are Andrew Murray, E. M. Bounds, A. W. Tozer, and (of course) George Mueller. Go to it.
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Lol... okay, well when I pray to myself I usually get whatever I want.
Well, the ancient Greeks did say, "The Gods help only those who help themselves."
And sitting around praying to pass a biology final, hasn't gotten me anywhere, but studying definitely has.
Um, I didn't read all of it, so i don't know if this was said or not.
Long story short, prayer is a conversation between us and God, not a wish list, and He's not Santa Claus.
"Have faith in God..whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." Mark 11:23-24
It all comes down to faith in your prayers, truly believing.
Sometimes the answer is yes, sometimes the answer is wait, and other times its just NO.
Prayer is probably one of the most misunderstood mechanisms of the Christian faith, which is very sad because it is also one of the most important. Prayer requires faith because it requires action on behalf of what you have prayed for. It requires discernment to know what is appropriate to ask for. As mentiond above... asking for God to pass your biology final is a lazy excuse to replacing honest work and study. Asking God to strengthen your mind to retain information (if that is a problem) and then going and working is ok though.
The post has it right when it says "The main point in prayer is not to ask God for what we need; but to grow closer in our relationship to him". Seek God first and his righteousness first and he will provide for your needs- sometimes we just think we need more than we really do.
Excellent post.
what about the prodigal son parable? (because in the case of the $100, the father would give them each $100) and all the parables of God's abundant providence? do they not apply to this?
@weirdo_4ever@xanga - What about the prodigal son parable? and all the parables of God's abundant providence? do they not apply to this?
Whether poor or prosperous the disciple works to discern the will of God. This is also known as the pursuit of happiness. Happiness is a result of God's abundant providence and comes from doing God's will.
The prodigal son was loved unconditionally by the Father and is a metaphor for gentile mankind. The good son got upset because he followed all the rules and yet his Father lavished royal treatment on his bum of a brother. The good son is a metaphor for Israel.
@LoBornlite@xanga - thanks for the clarfication :)
it's hard for me to understand the true meanings of the parables sometimes.@SerenaDante@xanga - "okay, well when I pray to myself I usually get whatever I want."
Perhaps you need some bigger dreams?
@Theophilus166@xanga - Perhaps I'm able to accomplish those dreams myself instead of relying on a crutch?
@SerenaDante@xanga - I need a lot more than a crutch.
@Theophilus166@xanga - Good for you.
u can pray but it doesn't mean that your prayers will be answered all the time..but talking to HIM means your heart feel at ease and peace.
btw, cute picture u have.
I gave up prayer before I became an atheist. I just felt that I got much better results when I actively sought after things that I wanted than waiting on God.
And no, that is not the reason that I became an atheist.
I was always taught that God answers all prayers. He may not give us what we want but always gives us what we need. Some prayers are answered right away and some get answered on Gods time line and not ours. There is also the little saying be careful what you wish for because you just might get it. well prayers are kind of like that. God will give you what you need on his time line because sometimes it is worth the wait.
cuz most whiney christians don't shut up long enough from crying about how terrible life is to hear what God has to say to them about how they can get their "NEEDS" provided for.
God DOES require some things of US in order for prayer to work!
1. FAITH. Knowing that God has the power and will to do this good for us is basic to God's positive reaction. Jesus could hardly do any miracles when he returned to his hometown because of their (general) unbelief! He only was able to heal a very few! Peter walked on water until his faith was swamped by fear, and he began to sink. Of course, he was faith-filled enough to know who to ask for help. (Jesus)
2. Asking for right things the right way. You do not ask, you ask for the wrong reasons - to consume it of your own lust. (paraquote)
3. Continuing in prayer when it first seems to fail. Jesus told one woman that he could not give her what she desired, because he was giving to the house of Israel, and even related her to the status of a mangy mutt (Jews viewed dogs as unclean and therefore my definition of mangy mutt.). She perservered by relating that supposed insult into a way that she could be served without insulting Israel. Even mutts get table scraps.
The story of the man who asks his friend for bread at night - won't get it at first, even from a FRIEND, but he keeps making noise until his friend finally gets up and helps him out.
The story of the widow who wants legal help and distracts the unbelieving and self-centered judge until he says he'll help just to get her off his case.
These are ALL life stories and parables about how to deal with prayers that don't seem to work the first time.
3. Thankfulness for previous answered prayers. EVERYONE is more willing to help those who are thankful when they are helped. Why should God be an exception? Jesus thanked God for this and that and the other. Why? It's worthwhile to note that God the son did take God the Father's help as granted, but not FOR GRANTED.
Thankfulness increases likelihood of answered prayer and even lessens the need for prayer. Thankful people are happier people, anyway.
4. Sharing. God blesses us so that we may/will bless others.
The dead sea is dead because it doesn't share it's bounty. It keeps all the water for itself, and has lost the ability to sustain life within itself by that very selfishness for life-giving water!
Abraham was told I will make you a blessing. God blessed Abraham with money and power and the son of promise. What did Abraham do? Help his neighbors, help Lot, and brought up the family that would bring us the Saviour.
Job was blessed greatly and helped his neighbors - both widows and orphans, gave good judgements in the legal realm, and offered sacrifices that his children might be right with God.
Ruth helped her Mother-in-law, and became a antecedent (?) to David the King.
Queen Esther was told that she was given her position to help the Jews avoid destruction at the hands of Haman.
Jesus, God the son, captain of the heavenly host, and most blessed of men, came to give us new life: life and that more abundant.
Share your blessings. God will return your gifts to you shaken tight, pressed down, and flowing over. So whatever style you give will be how his gifts to you are packaged. Bigger boxes out probably will mean bigger gifts in return... for the next cycle of sharing.
Yes, relationship is a BIG part of prayer, BUT if you don't know that there ARE mechanics to prayer, JUST as there are for relationships (there are by the way, if you didn't know) which make prayers more likely to be both positive activity AND the first step in extended blessings and gifts from God.
(Ask and it shall be given you, seek, and ye shall find, knock, and it shall be opened to you.)
I think of the petition in the Lord's Prayer "Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." As Jesus prayed in Gethsemane: "If it be Your will--let this cup (of suffering) pass from me."
As far as it being the Lord's choice, too, He had to remind Peter of that after the Resurrection when Peter asked "What about John?" Jesus replied "What is that to you, Peter?"
Prayer should be more of a conversation. A form of worship, time of greatfullness, and a form of humbling. God already knows your desires, they are in your heart. And therefore there should be noneed to ask for what you want through prayer because you already yearn for it and beg for it through your actions. Prayer should be a time when you can open yourself up to God in spirit and listen to what he has to say. A point when it is just you and the holy spirit and you leave the flesh behind.
I'm praying right now for God to give me patience with some commenters on this post. BLAH.
Part of prayer is trusting that God is always providing every that he wants you to have, everything that you truly need. As we pray more and more our sense of God's providence and our gratitude for it continues to grow, and eventually we get to a point where we find ourselves praying for things and getting "results" because our desire and God's will are more in alignment.
Because God isn't a vending machine, nor does he exist.
Good post... God is not a vending machine. Put in prayer... get out blessings/candy/new car/hot wife/healthykids/riches/ whatever your heart and flesh desire.
Prayer changes you, it helps conform you to God's will. If your desires are in His design, which they could be if you are seeking and finding God's heart with your own, growing in holiness, then you will seek Good things, not the things of this world.
@togodsownglory@xanga - Well nutshelled!
Think of it this way.. Children ask their parents for many things. But does a truly loving parent always give the child what he or she asks for right away, or period? No. The parent (in a perfect scenario.. Not so much today's parent, it seems, unfortunately) should meet the child's needs, and bless him with wants on occassion.. Perhaps as rewards, or just to show that he/she loves the child.
That's how prayer is.. It's us communicating with our Father about issues in our lives, and the lives of people we may or may not know. It's us talking with Him like a best friend. However, keep in mind that when talking to a best friend, you usually try to hear them out too. So, try to hear God out. Seek Him out in His word. Anywho. Our Father doesn't always give us what we ask for because he knows that sometimes what we ask for won't lead to what's best for us. (Obviously.) And no where in His word does He ever say He'll give us all the desires of our heart. No sir. It's only after our hearts are after His is it that He grants us the desires of our hearts, and that's because our desires have become like His desires, which means they will be for our best.
Understand? Hope this helps. I haven't had a chance to read many of the comments, so if this is a repeat of what someone else has said, sorry. I just know that imagery really helps me to grasp some spiritual concepts.
<3, ~*Akarui Mitsukai*~
P.S. I really liked your father with the 3 children thing. I think I may have to add that to my exp. Thanks!