Tuesday, 14 April 2009
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FAQ #24: Shouldn't We Just Stay Where We Are, and Work for Change, Rather than Abandoning the Church
by Brant Hansen of Letters From Kamp Krusty
For you? I have no idea. And, by the way, sport, that's a weird way to pose the question.I get this all the time, though. Since chronicling our own move out of the typical American 501-c-3 church structure, a lot of people have posed the question this way. It's a way of saying, a) yes, your fundamental critique may be right, but b) you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Or, perhaps, it's another way of saying, a) yes, your critique may be right, but b) I don't know any like-minded people around here, and I can't just go sailing off by myself.
Or, perhaps, it's another way of saying, a) yes, your critique may be right, but b) I went to Bible College, okay? What the heck else am I supposed to do for a living?
Or, perhaps, it's another way of saying, a) yes, your critique may be right, but b) I've already staked out my position on this, so now I'm committed to defending it.
Of course, there are those (many) who say, a) your critique is totally jacked, this system is the one God gave us, by golly, and b) you're an idiot, and c) shut up, and d) seriously, you're an idiot. This is a popular option, but these people usually aren't asking FAQ #24.
So, what should you do? Stick it out? Try to change things from the inside? Occasionally ask a question here and there, rock a boat here and there, slowly press for change?
Like I say, I don't know. I can't speak to your particular situation. I wish I could; this blog entry would be a lot more interesting. But one-size-fits-all thinking is, in part, what got us into this expensive mess.
Alan Hirsch and Michael Frost wrote a brilliant new book, ReJesus. (You should buy it and read it. I can make that categorical statement.) They say the church needs a serious "reboot", to re-align the software (all our church trappings) with the hardware (Jesus). Jesus' values, Jesus' priorities, Jesus' teachings.
By advocating for that, they're advocating for radical change, and I'll bet you know it, too. So here's one way you might look at it: Will that radical change happen without people like me making a radical change?
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None of this, of course, applies if you object to the very idea of leaving church-as-we've-made-it. If you see "preaching", Biblically, as a sermon delivered each week to roughly the same audience by the same guy in the same building, and you regard this as an essential, or a near sacrament, you are not going to pose the question. And I respect your opinion, even as I don't hold it. (I heard a very popular preacher the other day say, on the radio, "When someone causes you to doubt or question, you get away from them, and get into the House of the Lord. I know I need to do that, because I need a talented man of the pulpit to help me understand, and...")
You may be a person, like this Talented Man of the Pulpit, who really needs, who must have, a Talented Man of the Pulpit. In which case, you've likely stopped reading this blog. You may think his sprawling campus is the House of the Lord, too, in which case, you've likely stopped reading this blog.
Here's another consideration: The original question reveals something horribly wrong. By abandoning a particular institutional conception of church, you are not abandoning the church. It's an insidious idea that begs the very question.
Now, for you, it might ultimately mean that you WILL wind up leaving the church -- the people called out by God for his purposes -- but that's a different issue. Simply put: You may not be able to deal with the freedom. Freedom is wonderful, and just like most wonderful things, like, say, sex and the strong force in an atom's nucleus, it's also dangerous.
You may need someone to tell you exactly how much to give, and exactly to whom. You may need someone to draw up a chart of the Eight Things a Disciple Must Be Doing. You may need the busy-ness that comes from meetings, and meetings that plan meetings. You may not know how to live without it. (I've heard it before: "Well, then -- what do you do?) You may not ever be able to break from something your parents did. You may need to be able to easily explain you're a "real Christian" by saying, "Here's where I go to church."
There's other stuff you may need. You may need to feel more occupied on Sunday mornings. You may need help being told what to study. You may need to avoid the disapproval of those who will judge you for what you're doing. You may need the significance that comes from your social standing in that particular group.
You may, if you're a musician or speaker, need a crowd.
If these are things you need, deep down, leaving a particular 501c3 organization may, in fact, ultimately result in leaving the real church.
Oddly, while we can worry about that, I'm more worried about the people currently well-plugged-in to American Church Life who have no role -- who've been trained to have no role -- in the church of Jesus. They left the church, and are busy members in good standing.
Anyway, I can't answer the question for you. If I were a career pastor, or lived in a small town, or -- any number of possibilities -- I, frankly, doubt we'd have made the move we made. I don't know that we could have done it.
It's been a wonderful thing, opting out, and a blessed thing. But I can't say, for everyone, everywhere, it's the thing.
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Comments (11)
Depends on what you consider the church to be. I don't go to church; I have a bible study at my college that I go to.
I get way more out of discussing biblical topics then I do out of hearing some guy preaching the same things over and over. The questions I have are never addressed in sermons- they just ignore them.
Honestly though, trying to change things from the inside out is hard... although it has been done in the case of several denominations.
i really dig brant! he does the morning show on the radio station i listen to (Way FM).... he had a great way of looking at things... & has a great sense of humor to boot!
what we sometimes forget is that is that Church is not a building - its the group of people.
i have recently realized that i need to leave the congragation that i've been a member of for almost 6 years.... i say i need to leave because i know that God would have me worshiping else where (for reasons i wont get into here).
i don't know where God would have me worship on Sunday mornings - but i don't feel like i am abandoning my home church. i am still a part of a wonderful group of people who i can see are the Church. And with Facebook i can still connect with lots of people from the congragation that i'm leaving.
There are reasons that we have so many different styles of churches and worship services - it allows each of us who are a part of the true Church to worship our Lord in a way that connects us best to Him. And our style and prefereses change.
Also - we need to be able to grow within our walk with God. And just like plants - sometimes we need to move to a new pot [church] if we want to continue to grow!
i dont know if any of this makes sense... jmho....
Whether you leave or stay change has to happen. I think the biggest change within the Church that needs to happen, but likely wont, is that Christians need to start taking things seriously. Far to long we have been sitting around acting as if this is all a fairy tale. Then I think the second thing that needs to happen (or maybe reverse the order) is that we need to become a "House of Prayer" again.
If you can change from the inside out, that is great. IF you just have to start a fresh, that is great. But something has to happen.
You can't buck the pastor in his own church.
I haven't read the book so I can't comment.
If you have changed the church, you are going to be stuck changing the people and you can't put new wine into old wineskins.
You are going to try to clean the church out and they are going to clean you out.
If you want to email me, I'm here.
I stopped going to church, it made atheism appealing to me. Learning nothing, spending 2 hours listening to preaching, being amidst people who were dead inside with no way to think for themselves showing up so they could say they were there... if I wanted that I would go back to high school.
Until something changes I'll enjoy theology from a distance.
I wish it were possible to remain within a church in order to change it from within. However, if you rock the boat , church businesses tend to respond by discrediting and demonizing the person with the gall to try to change the status quo.
I have to ask it again, as I ask every time Revelife features one of Brant's blogs regarding leaving the "American church"...
You've left the "American church" and replaced it with... what? Another church? A house fellowship? What? I know it's fun and postmodern to say that what we're doing defies categorization... but without knowing what we're abandoning the church in favor of, I have no idea how I feel about this conversation.
@ChrisRusso@xanga - what seems to be at issue here is the emergent church, but without any links or preface, it's hard to tell. they should probably outline it more clearly before delving into this topic.
Here are some motivational posters for the Emergent Church.
The complainers run free....I really have no idea what you said. Something about someone who is talented behind the pulpit, remind me in the early church how talented those disciples were.....read the bible.....It tells us to meet together, and break bread which is God's word, Hey Jesus went to the Synagougues, got in a lot of trouble but he went....see that is the idea. If you are doing it on your own, you do not see all the angles which can be discussed....so yes I think you should be loyal to the church GOD CALLS U TOO! Maybe if we would start asking God where he would like us to go and listen, this whole confusing blog would not have been written
By the way College Bible studies may be where God wants u for now but time will pass and college will be behind u
Currently there are two small groups I meet with, one weekly, one biweekly, in order to worship our God and give Him the reigns to our meetings. They differ in some small ways - one is wine and cheese, the other pizza or chili and tea. But in both we give Him the reigns and grow together into Him.
I'm a musician, but I don't play in either gathering. I don't want to. Besides, there are others with less talent but more gifting who lead better than I could.