Friday, 03 April 2009

  • Labels, Good Works, and the Emergent Church

    by Dean Lusk of Every Good Band Deserves Fudge

    Wow, I'm an idiot. Here I was, spreading the message from James, Philippians, etc., that "faith without works is dead" -- a point I've seen with my own two eyes that the Church (in general; please allow me that one generalization and don't get stuck on it) often doesn't seem to understand in much detail -- and I wondered why more Christians weren't opening their eyes and saying, "Wow, I get it. How have I been missing that?"

    Little did I know that one tool that Satan uses to make this piece of the Gospel ineffective is a simple label. Like that one on your mattress, only this one is unfortunately very effective.

    If you take certain verses, within context, from James or Philippians or Luke or Mark that are regularly ignored and say, "Hey, guys, we've been missing this. We haven't been helping the needy like the Word says to do here," all the listener needs to do is to think, "Hey, doesn't the Emerging Church talk about helping needy people?!" and voila! People who talk about doing good things are "love gospel" nut-cases and Emerging/Emergent Church pushers (doesn't matter which one -- just pick a label and run with it).

    (Sometimes people are thinking about the Emergent Church, but they don't know the difference. Since both begin with E-M-E-R-G -- which translates to "666" when deciphered correctly -- both are obviously bad.)

    In case I'm being confusing, what I'm saying is this: if I encourage Christ-followers to actually DO things that reach out to needy people and not just "help" in the traditional way (tipping God when the offering plate passes, for instance) it appears that some people may be labeling me as an Emerging/Emergent Church fanboy. This article at WorldviewTimes.com does a good job of summing up the two "movements," in case you're among the many who aren't familiar with the terms.

    The benefits to this guilt by association are numerous:

    1. When we put a label something, it is far easier to dismiss it outright than it would be if we actually listened to what was being said and checked to see if it's in our Bible.

    2. When we assign something to a movement, we can call it a fad.

    3. We can associate dangerous works like helping the poor with mysticism, ecumenism, monasticism, the home church movement (a movement that apparently somehow defies Hebrews 10:25), postmodernism, etc., call it a works-based attempt at salvation, and in doing so energize ourselves to continue on the way we've been going, without lifting much more than an offering envelope-laden hand.

    4. We can become indignant that our denomination has been insulted by ragamuffin Gen-X'ers.

    5. We can say that all of these crazy ideas are coming from the latest book by one of a handful of trendy authors, not from study of Scriptures, repentance and love for Christ and pleading to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

    6. We can pray for people's deluded souls in a more pious fashion.
    I'm sure that the list is longer than that.

    I've realized that my words may be falling on deaf ears with a little more than a smirk and quick, quaint dismissal.

    Have a look at how the church is "winning the world for Christ." Do that and then tell me that it's sold out to Christ and no change is needed, either in heart or in practice.

Comments (29)

  • deepestrecesses

    You have no idea how true this is.  No doubt someone will get on here and try to nit-pick some of your peripheral points, but the underlying principle of what you said is so true and even goes a step further. 

    I believe, for instance, in the necessity of baptism (with a slightly different take then most Churches have on it).  However, I also believe that we are saved by Faith.  People tell me that I can't believe in both.  I have to pick one.  So one denomination lays claim to one aspect of Christianity and no one else can touch it. 

    Labels are necessary for us to identify something, obviously, but they also can be restrictive. 

    Interesting post.

  • princess1505angel@xanga

    Great post!  I hate the labels too.

  • blessed_saint_catherine@xanga

    Sorry? How does E-M-E-R-G translate to 666? And who cares if it does? My house is near Route 666, and my high school was on the corner of Junction 666. It's just a number.

  • squanto_07@xanga

    that was very well articulated and rings true

  • LoBornlyte@xanga

    The modern philosophy that issued forth from the Enlightment had the specific purpose of destroying belief in God.


    The holistic world view that had served the ancients so well fell into disrepute as moderns studied things by breaking them into pieces and then labeling the pieces.


    Therefore labels are critical in the modern world view.  Additionally, labeling is a futile attempt to bring order to the shattering of reality that results from employing modern philosophies.  Inevitably, moderns are the ones who rely on labels.


    Consequently Christians must not be moderns. Our faith is ancient.  It exudes timeless wisdom and so disciples are called to live by that timeless wisdom.  And that wisdom concerns the nurturing, building up, and healing of the human person.


    And Christians must also realize the futility of ministering to debased modern philosophy.  Christianity has always been about people.  So ministry must always concern that, regardless of moderns' incessant inclination to label.

  • GoodbyeSickan@xanga

    I agree.  Different generations have used different labels. In the first part of the 20th century, a rift opened up people who became known as "evangelicals" and those who became known as "propogators of the social gospel."  It got crazy, to the point where social gospel folk didn't like you if you even mentioned the word "witness" or "disciple" and evangelicals thought you were a communist if you started talking about feeding the poor.

  • GoodbyeSickan@xanga

    @blessed_saint_catherine@xanga - my zipcode used to end in 666 and my next door neighboor used to have a license plate that ended in 666.  Then again, he did have horns . . .

  • Laudio
    Very cool that the point of the post apparently came across well. Excellent thoughts and insight in these comments.

    I definitely need to point out that the "666" thing was completely tongue-in-cheek. It was goofy and was intended to emphasize the rest of the post. Should have made a footnote or something.
  • naphtali_deer@xanga

    If we're encouraging people to do good works and not reminding them that those good works flow from Christ's work and life in us, then that is undermining the glory of the Gospel. When we emphasize good works we can neglect to teach that Christianity is a life, a relationship w/ the liivng God. Christianity goes beyond following a moral code. We can't put good works before faith. Genuine faith will lead to good works. A true believer is a person who has the life of Christ indwelling them through the person of the Holy Spirit. That life will result in a transformed desire and the power to walk in the good works God has ordained for us. Yes, as Christians we should be doing good works, but we must remember that the only way we can do them is in Christ's power (e.g.-Phil. 2:12-13; John 15 - the vine & the branches - without Christ we can do nothing). All our righteousness is filthy rags; any good works done apart from Christ in us bring no glory to God and Christ does not have the preeminence. We can't put the cart before the horse.

  • brownize221@xanga

    @GoodbyeSickan@xanga - this is funny. and sad. all at the same time.


    when will Christians stop harassing each other over the peripherals? 
  • brownize221@xanga

    @naphtali_deer@xanga - Matthew would contend that it's all about what you do. And less about what you think. 

  • Gotennis@xanga

    In fact, long before the use of guilt-by-association with the name "Emergent" came into vogue, people in the Christian community selected another tag. "Do-gooders." That one really puzzled me. To take a Biblical phrase "do good" "doing good" "good works" etc. and make it a slur was remarkable. 

  • Biblerapture@xanga

    @naphtali_deer@xanga - What straight forward preaching! Simple and yet deeper truths keep being knocked aside by so many. Thanks for the post!

  • Biblerapture@xanga

    @brownize221@xanga - But it says works (what we do) are dead without Faith (belief, not think. Think is the head; belief is the heart).


    Are you saying we should be 'doing' more? Sorry, don't quite understand what you are trying to say.

  • brownize221@xanga

    @Biblerapture@xanga - To clarify, in Matthew: correct theological beliefs are less important than correct actions based on those beliefs. Matthew contends that the gospel does not nullify the Law. Even if that's what Paul says in his letters (or what we Protestants think he's said). Jesus' words in Matthew say that 'do not think that i've come to abolish the law. not one letter or stroke of a letter will pass away.' 


    Some emergent churches are moving more towards a works-oriented Gospel. I don't think it's bad b/c they're not saying "you have to work your way to heaven", rather "b/c of the grace given to you, you're now commissioned to make the world a better place where you can". 
    hope that clarifies.  
  • Biblerapture@xanga

    @brownize221@xanga - Yes, it helps, thank you. But I am still concerned about the many people in congregations all over the world though, who believe they must "do something" to get to heaven. Works are great, but even greater when they are the ones "created beforehand for His purpose"; after we understand and believe in Jesus Christ.

  • naphtali_deer@xanga

    @brownize221@xanga - Without faith it is impossible to please God. If we don't have the right doctrinal belief, the Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, then we will perish. If we don't believe there is one mediator between God and men, then we will perish.

    And it does matter what we believe. Phil. 2: let this mind be in you. Romans 12: be transformed by the renewing of your mind. I Peter 1: gird up the loins of your mind. It begins with the mind, but of course, doesn't end there. If it ends there you have a dead orthodoxy, a dead faith. The living belief and faith translates into works. Right faith will produce works. But our works never save us. George Whitefield said that our works justify our faith but never our person. The blood of Jesus Christ saves us. If it didn't, why would Jesus had given Himself an offering in our place? If we could be saved by our works, why the cross? We need the atoning sacrifice. Our works cannot atone for our sin.

    As I wrote my original comment, my concern was (and is) that people substitute good works for Christ's work. And then they can have false assurance and be deceived into thinking they are saved and they really are not.

    Throughout Paul's epistles you see this pattern: First you see you are in Christ because you have believed, because you have received His life into you (your faith). Only then does Paul give out the commandments as to how we work that out (the works). We can't ever walk in the works God has ordained for us unless we do so in the power of Jesus Christ. The dead man can never work the works of God.

    As Paul said in I Cor. 15: But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.

    Paul was working, yes, but working through the power of the resurrected Christ who dwelt in him.

    I've seen churches where most of the teaching is moral teaching. Yes, there's the Gospel of salvation but it often ends with our justification (your sins are forgiven) but it doesn't go into our ongoing sanctification (your have been set free from sin-you have a new heart and a new spirit in you). That's NOT a complete gospel. Jesus is our righteousness AND our sanctification (I Cor. 1:30-31). In such churches, there's very little, if any, mention of how the life of Christ in us, the Holy Spirit, helps us to live out the beatitudes and fulfill the law. If Christ is not recognized as the source and fountain of our works, then those works will be burned up, and in the worse case scenario as i said above, people can be deceived and lulled into a false sense of security. "I'm doing good works like the pastors are telling me, so I get eternal life." God forbid and protect us from that!

    Matthew 25 (I'm presuming that's one of the passages you're referring to when you mentioned Matthew) is saying: if you truly believe, you will do these things, visit the sick and in prison, clothe the naked, feed the hungry, etc. Those works are a result of our salvation, not the cause. The tree is changed through the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit so we can bear those fruits of righteousness. Apart from that rebirth, that regeneration, we only work works of unrighteousness. Remember, the Pharisees were doing a lot of good works. It's isn't all about good works, it's about us having the imputed and imparted righteousness of Christ. The imputed righteousness that allows God to declare us not guilty (justification) and the imparted righteousness that allow us to live the holy life God commands (sanctification). When we stand before God in the judgment, the only thing that will make us holy is Christ's blood, Christ's robe of righteousness. Nothing else will matter whatsoever...

  • TrumvilleOrbison@xanga

    i'm not sure if you're kidding or being serious about the 666. um..um. here's what it comes down to: if you're being serious, i'm laughing at you.

  • scramBledmegZntoasT@xanga

    @Biblerapture@xanga - But you must "do something" in order to get into Heaven. Believing in Christ is, indeed, doing "something". Doing nothing isn't an option.

  • denisethornton919
    feeling...

    You know it really does not matter what labels are placed on people. If you are truly a child of Christ, then you know who you are! God gave us all that we need, and it is his word. His word is the Holy Bible. That is where we should begin our walk with Christ and that is where we should end our walk with Christ.  It is here where we learn about how to accept Christ as our savior. The good thing about God's word is that it is kept simple and availble to anyone to read, if he or she so chooses.God knew that man's arrogance would prove to be a weapon , so He created a book that does not require the interpetation of a scholar! He even said, do not add or take away from His word. Yet, constantly people attempt to do just that!   


    Today a lot of people are talking loud and saying nothing. It is unimportant how many ways a word can be defined! What is important, is God's definition. Man created an ocean of new words, so what! This creation serves to make the dictionary editors rich...A poor person is still a poor person, whether you define or label him or her as, economically disadvantaged, financially handicapped, destitue, whatever! The word poor is still sufficient. 


    Many scholars will be turned away from the gates of heaven, no matter how well developed their vocabulary is! Another point, if you are unable to reach the mass of people through your words, then what good are they! God is not an author of confusion! Emergent, emerging church, what does any of this this have to do with the price of salvation? God is not concerned with babble such as this!  My question would be, how many souls have been saved and brought to christ? How many marriages have been salvaged and how many young people have been led to christ? How many people receive prayer on a regular basis. How many hungy or homeless people received food or shelter?


    If a church offers a hungry person food, he or she is not concerned with whether or not the food is being served from an emerging church or a submerging church!  Too much energy exerted on things that are not of God!


    Do not deceive yourselves. If any one of you thinks he is wise by the standards of this age, he should become a "fool" so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of the world is foolish-ness in God's sight.  1 Corinthians  18;19


    Many years ago, whey I was in a situation which could have been resolved with simple resolution, I unnecessarily complicated matters. A wise person told me to slow down, take a breath and KISS. I said what!  He explained himself to me and assisted me in resolving the issue. He then said that KISS, means, Keep It Simple Stupid!  This is what we need to do as christians. Dissecting and re-creating the word of God will not get you to heaven!

  • Biblerapture@xanga

    @scramBledmegZntoasT@xanga - Yes, of course you are correct. We still must receive that free gift of eternal life. Just 'knowing about Him" is not enough.

  • Biblerapture@xanga

    @denisethornton919 - Denise.... you DO have a way with words...;>)


    Amen sister! We tend to get carried away with ourselves......

  • bigcatholicmicah@xanga

    It's funny... serving the poor, caring for the sick and the dying, looking after widows and orphans.... these are all things that the Catholic Church has been doing since the beginning.  Even during the Middle Ages, witht the Plague... and with the Reformation, and the conflicts on both sides that happened... the work continued.  Millions of Priests, Sisters, and Brothers and laity did this service to Our Lord, and are known to Him alone.  It is not an Emerging Church thing, or an Evangelical thing, or even, a Catholic thing.  It is a Christian thing... and we should all do it.  It is a part of our stewardship that we tend to ignore.  Tithing is more than the 10 percent we should put in the collection.  We have to give of our time, our treasure, and our talent.  We don't do it to earn our salvation, but because of it... and it makes us stronger and better Christians, which then allows us to do more...

  • thetentguy@xanga

    I'm wondering if the very people who claim to disdain labels are creating their own labels to replace the labels they disdain? Instead of saying Christian, they say Christ-follower. That's a label right there ain't it? ;)

    So really, people who hate labels can be grouped into a group too, Label Haters.

    There is nothing new under the sun, it's all been done and said before...

    I'm one of the few who actually DO listen to what I hear and actually DO read my Bible (The Message, in Emergo-speak) and I can say that the watered down Message being taught in America is largely powerless and pointless to a world hungering for so much more.

    I've also traveled widely and can say that while there are SO many shortcomings in the church, she is thriving in spite of our humanity. I've done my checking friend, and while I might not like everything I see, the times ahead will bring out the jewel that is the true Body of Christ. :)

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