Sunday, 29 March 2009
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Is There More to Our Generation of Evangelicals Than Just Angst?
by Goose of Faith & Geekery
Mark Driscoll has built a whole church and a national following largely upon being hipper than the rest of his fellow Evangelicals - and also on a healthy dose of John Calvin. I happened to catch his recent appearance on the now-defunct D. L. Hughley Breaks the News on CNN, where Driscoll yukked it up with the host about how judgmental and small minded all those other Evangelical hosers are.Now I obviously don’t hang out with Mr. Driscoll personally, although I did once walk past him on the doorstep of a hotel in Saint Paul, MN. He looked like he could eat a live duck. Many of my closest friends clutch him to their bosom pretty tightly (philosophically, not physically). And obviously, his ministry in Seattle is bringing people to Christ. This isn’t a Mark Driscoll hit job; he’s just one of most visible faces of a huge number of superfluously angsty Evangelical young persons.
A fly on a wall ensconcing discussions amongst many young Evangelicals today has a pretty hefty chance to overhear hearty denunciations.
We’re not doing enough to look like the culture, to speak like the culture speaks, to get of our Christian bubble, and… to have the right kind of java in the church coffee shop!
Or…
Evangelicals have become too sold out to a political party! We should be in the community instead of putting our faith in Washington!
Or perhaps…
Why are we always talking about rules? We need to love on folks.
Now, clearly an insect wouldn’t have the linguistic prowess to understand what he was hearing, and who knows if flies even have ears. The point is moot.
Our generation, particularly the portion of us just now burgeoning into our 20s, is very skillful at finding problems. We, at times rightfully, decry outdated talking points, non-coolness in presentation, even that old blackguard James Dobson (I had to get a Doctor Dobson reference in here somehow).
A radio titan is a good segue too, because what actually got me thinking along these lines recently were my venerable and munificent fellow FG writers Mike and Aaron’s recent posts. Mike talked about how disappointed he was with Fireproof being chosen as inspirational movie of the year, and Aaron spoke about whether or nay a Christian film industry was necessary at all. While I agree with much of what they both said and am in awe of both of them as beings, I think some of the sentiments they espoused can be / are being employed in this wider angst-fest. The debate over whether or nay there should be a certain labeling for a Christian film is legitimate, but there’s just so much time being invested shallywacking these other Christians who are (at times mightily imperfectly) trying to make a positive impact through film.
Many young Christians are simply embarrassed over the legacy that Evangelicals have in our culture. Obviously there have been mistakes, and we do need to learn the lessons of the past. But I do have some good news! I just saved a bunch on my — No, wait…even better. God doesn’t need you to do his PR for him! We can spend less time worrying about what people think of us, less time trying to distance ourselves from our past, and more time worrying about what we believe and how to reach people for Christ. Understandably though, angst can be a lot easier than action.
Is the only skill of our generation of believers going to be found in whining about problems with other believers? If the answer is yes, then we might as well go and eat a live duck like Mr. Driscoll appeared he was prepared to do on the hotel stoop. Or will we dare to use our intellect, increased technological sophistication and creativity to go out there and do better?
There’s plunty of pluck in people our age, and plenty of passion for Christ. We can do this. But might we also cut down on the friendly fire? Busting up Christians we don’t think are doing a good enough job presenting the message doesn’t accomplish much. But going out there with zest, faith, and wisdom gained from lessons learned… now that might just accomplish everything.
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I'm not entirely sure I understand all your points here, but I do get the idea about criticizing evangelicals to no end. I think it's a tendency I noticed in myself and in other youthful Christians to criticize Christianity/religion/Christian music. I might be going off a tangent: I think sometimes we're afraid that we won't be considered updated on the culture, so we keep a safe distance from the ideas of older notable Christians. We're very quick to emphasize that to call a band "non-christian" or "secular" is judgmental and is to be avoided;
But I do understand the response of today's Christian youths; they're swinging against the wrongs of a previous Christian generation that was accused of being too isolated; we shouldn't swing too far into the opposite extreme, of being in agreement with the rest of the world at the cost of departing from the bible, the local church, etc.
Trying to appeal to the taste of culture is what got us the heretic Joel Osteen. There's a time and place for bashing other Christians (e.g., once every 23 minutes on revelife), because false teaching is not to be accepted or embraced.
From what I've heard from Driscoll, his theology is definitely sound--that is what should come first. Whether or not he looks cool to the presiding culture of the day is *at least* secondary, if not altogether irrelevant (i.e., we don't ask Saudi Christians to dress up in a suit and tie for Sunday, nor do we ask that they have a lightshow and fog machine going for worship).
But I have to agree that one of the problems, ironically, is all the problem-finding by at least the age-20s crowd. If they weren't so concerned about finding a pastor with a nose ring, or who smokes weed with them, or who doesn't shower every month, or who wears sunglasses indoors, or who drinks like freaking Dionysus, they might be introduced to a real gospel that affects their conduct and their speech and attunes their mind to the spiritual and heavenly instead of being concerned so greatly with things unimportant.
Joel Osteen is a motivational speaker and I've never seen him open up the Bible so why do people think he is a pastor?
Great post- and personally challenging. It's tough amidst all this worlds "Craziness" not to get caught trying to bust another's chops.
Good post.
@Sosthenes - He actually is a pastor. He is the pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas.
http://www.joelosteen.com/
i think we need to remember mark driscoll's context... he's in probably one of the most unchurched cities in the US... he doesn't face friendly fire, he faces sniper fire on all sides because he is unorthodox in his messages, his content, his ideals, and his theology.
He's a Calvinist who preaches more on sex than most sex education programs... and yet it's all based upon truth rather than opinion or propaganda... that is unorthodox in and of itself and yet the following he has online and in person are huge because it contextualizes a timless truth in a timely manner...
I wonder why Jesus didn't have so much to say about Masturbation and Oral Sex. You know he could've listened intently to. He's not a Calvinist. He is a "new-calvinist".. much like Neo-con and conservative are not the same thing. Half-truths are always amusing. Truth doesn't change over time or adapt to circumstances. This is a pastor gone astray without guidance and proper governance in a church. For all the talk of how different Seattle is and what not, consider the Churches to which Paul wrote, which were a 100 times worse than seattle could be. He didn't compromise to the times or cirucmstances or make Christianity cool for them. Instead he condemed their immorality rather than making a name for himself as a "sex pastor". If you have sexual issues, deal with them in private with a christian marriage counselor. Thats the nature of sex, you having sex in public is going to be the new Christian fad.
DailyConstruct, I don't think that Driscoll is a neo-Calvinist (whatever that is). It seems like you are suggesting that talking about sex negates Calvinist theology, which I disagree with. Sure, Driscoll is explicit, and I personally would never speak of the things he does in a sermon, but he doesn't do what he does to be shocking and controversial, he is trying to reach people, and give them sound doctrine. If Driscoll was trying to be a hipster preacher, then he isn't doing a very good job at it, especially considering that he is bringing hardcore, sound doctrine that doesn't tell people that they can live any way they want without consequence. If you have ever listened to him speak, he mentions that his biggest influence is Spurgeon, who we all know was a pretty blunt guy. I can only imagine what you would think of Spurgeon if he was preaching today.
@scramBledmegZntoasT@xanga - Fortunately churches in my state don't have to accept his credentials.
@DailyConstruct - I think it's a bit unfair to make blanket statements about what Paul did or didn't say. We have a few letters he wrote to churches with specific issues. We have records of a few speeches that he made (i.e. the one to Mars Hill where he quoted Greek poets). While Paul obviously didn't sacrifice the gospel, I see a lot of emphasis on cultural context in the things he said and did.
Driscoll condemns the sexual behavior condemned by scripture. No doubt about it. I'm not a huge Driscoll fan, but I think you were a bit unfair to him. You say that christians should go to counselors to deal with their sex problems, but most people who walk into churches today don't realize they have sex problems. Most people think that whatever they see in the media is normal sexual behavior.
As much as I disagree with Calvinist theology, and as much as I think Driscoll is sometimes too blunt in his sermons, I can't usually argue with what he says. Different types of people connect with different audiences, and as long as he keeps preaching the gospel, I'm okay with his method.
This blog post seems to have 3 themes: 1) Christians criticize others too much. 2) They do this because they're afraid how these uncool Christians will make the rest of us look to the world. 3) Discussions about relevance to the world are irrelevant to the task of evangelizing. I may have gotten the themes wrong, but I'm going to respond to them as I understand them.
1) There are many kinds of people in the world. God wants to reach these many different kinds of people, and to do so requires using many different methods. So, I think we should not pick on individuals unless they are clearly distorting the gospel--and I mean as a whole, not some doctrinal point you disagree with.
2) If the motivation of discussion comes from a sense of embarrassment, I would say in general that you're barking up the wrong tree. However, when it comes to art forms, it's valid to discuss their artistic quality. What I often see, though, particularly regarding criticisms of Christian music, for example, is a double standard in which Christian musicians are somehow supposed to be more artistic or talented than their secular counterpoints in order to even be considered equal. In other words, excessive unwarranted criticism that seems to come from embarrassment.
3) Discussions of our relevance to the world are NOT irrelevant to the task of evangelizing; an awareness of the task of evangelizing is the key reason for the discussions. If we are speaking a language the world doesn't get, then we are not accomplishing the task of spreading the gospel. The world has changed a lot even in the last 40 years, and if we are still using methods that were effective 40 years ago, they are not going to effective today (at least on people who weren't alive 40 years ago).
Related to points #2 & #3 together, there's a discussion along this line at the blog kenwilsononline.com, where one of the main questions being discussed is, are we needlessly turning people off to the gospel by our concentration on culture war issues?
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