Friday, 06 February 2009
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Ladies: Help Your Brothers in Their Fight Against Lust
If you're like how I was, you had a hard time accepting the fact that some churches wanted the women to dress conservatively or modestly. You probably thought, "Why can't the men just pray to God to help them not be so lusty?!" I wondered those same things. I didn't like that they wanted women to have the modesty scarves over their knees when their skirts were too short. I didn't like that they wanted women to cover up their arms with sleeves or shawls. I just didn't understand why people who were saved had to change their style of clothes for others.I always figured that since I was not able to have premartial sex and party hardy, it would only be fair that I would get to have this choice over my life. It was like, "I became a Christian and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" I became a Christian and lost all my old life, and I was not even allowed to dress how I wanted. I'm petite (size 0), so I also figured, "I can wear what I want because I don't have hips or chest. How tempting can I be?"
But after reading this book called For Young Women Only, I now realize why. Men are so unlike us. To all the women readers, how much throughout the day would you think about or envision the nice physique of a dude you crush on? Most women will say, "Not much at all or never." Once we see a nice body, we immediately forget about it when the stimulus is gone. Men are different. The book said that men will envision women's bodies long after the fact. The book said that they have a storage file in their brains of the nice bodies they have seen throughout their life! They can remember bodies from years ago. Men are very visual unlike us. We're visual too, but not like them.
In the book, one of the boys said his pastor told a lady in the church to remove a girl who was sitting in the front row who had a skirt on that was too short. This pastor was not ashamed to allude to the fact that an underaged female was very distracting to him. My old church was not very big and had stadium-type seats, so if you had a short skirt on and did not have your legs closed or covered with something, the pastor admitted that he could sometimes see their underwear. How embarrassing and shameful is that?! Here is the pastor trying to preach the gospel of God, and he can't concentrate because your underwear are visible to him! One of the most righteous men in the Bible, Job, even had to make a vow with his eyes for them not to look with lust at a female!
Job 31:1
"I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a girl."When we wear tight or revealing clothes, men sometimes automatically envision us naked (and sometimes naked with them). It's instinctual (meaning they are designed to be able to appreciate, admire, and remember a nice body when they see it). Ask most men, and they will probably remember the first naked body they saw in their big brother's porno mag. They remember every woman's body they had sex with. I hear it's usually with nice bodies, but it could go either way. These images come up automatically even when the men DO NOT want them to come up. It's like unwanted pop-up ads. Some men, of course, don't mind these images, but some really do mind because they want to keep their thoughts and hearts pure.
I think about all the times I wore tight or revealing clothes. I used to wear some of the skimpiest things back in the day. Barely there clothes, see-through clothes, short, short clothes. I started to feel bad thinking of all the men I tempted unknowingly (but mostly knowingly). I didn't want to cause them to sin, but I did like the attention. The Bible says that any man that looks at a woman with lust in his heart is guilty of adultery. Not to be hurtful to anyone, but the book said that these men are usually looking with lust at women with attractive bodies, so if you have a nice body, your tight clothes are without a doubt tempting men. For many black men, they lust for women with shapely bottoms. Some men are breast men. But either way, if you have some type of a decent coke bottle shape that you show off, men with character will struggle not to look and envision you naked.
Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.This post is only for Christians because I know that Christian women should not want to tempt our brethren. I have some Xanga friendships with women who cover up their bodies in clothes kind of like how the Duggar family dresses. At first, I thought it was unnecessary and legalistic how they dressed. But now I see why they do it. But I also feel that one can be fashionable and trendy while being modest. If you don't have a lot of money to totally upgrade your wardrobe, there are different ways you can "modestify" your current wardrobe. If you have a cute shirt that you really like and don't want to give away but it lifts up and shows your midriff, you can wear a sleeveless undershirt to extend the length to go past the top of your pants. If you have some really cute tight pants you don't want to let go of, you can just wear long shirts over it. If you have a cute tank top or sleeveless shirt you like, you can put a light jacket over it. Compared to some of the pictures I used in this blog, I don't dress nearly as modestly, but I just used them to exaggerate my point so you would definitely get it!
Proverbs 6:25
Do not lust in your heart after her beauty or let her captivate you with her eyes,I was thinking that even this summer, I will probably have to buy some different swimming suits. I have small shape, but it's still kind of nice, so when I go to the beach or pool, I get looks. So I might want to buy some kind of shorts to wear or a tankini (sleeveless swimming top that covers the stomach). Summertime is no excuse not to be modest. Men are tempted at the beach just as easily as in the classroom or at the mall (even moreso). I believe some pervs might go to the beach just to get a cheap thrill (but they won't get it off of me!)
Now some women don't want to tempt men, but they do love the attention they get from dressing in tight or revealing clothes. Sometimes when you don't feel beautiful or attractive on the inside, you will try to get the attention from men to prove it to yourself. Imagine being in a world where you are never called beautiful or where you have never had a secret admirer. I couldn't do it! I'd probably wear more make-up or get my hair done just to get a compliment to make sure. Well, some women feel similar to that, but they may wear revealing or tight clothes to get the attention and validation. I guarantee that if you have a nice body, you WILL get attention from men. But it won't be the right kind of attention.
So although you won't find me in a frock down to my ankles and you won't see me with collared shirts and turtlenecks all my life, you will hopefully never see me in a mini-skirt or short shorts. If I lived in a country with all women, I wouldn't care what I wore. But because I live in a society full of easily-tempted, automatically-visual, sexual-feeling men, I have to do better.
This one female teacher showed some high school girls the reason why dress codes were so important in schools. She knows how much women LOVE chocolate. So she had all the boys go to a different classroom. She had her student teacher be in the classroom with all the girls. To the side of the room, she had a huge bag of Hershey's Kisses. She told the girls not to look, not to eat, not to talk about, and not to even THINK about the Hershey's Kisses. She said that if they did, the student teacher would give them sentences to right over and over again. The teacher said that when she returned to the classroom, ALL of the girls had to write sentences. They all raised their hands when the teacher asked if they wanted candy and had a hard time not looking at it.
Likewise with males. How much more desirable are our bodies than Hershey's Kisses? Most heterosexual men will look, and all will want to look even if they don't look. The book did surveys on men of all ages, backgrounds, and religious preferences. The only men they did not include were men outside of America and men who were homosexual. ALL men wanted to look because of their automatic male tendencies, but the men who had some kind of religion wished they didn't want to look. I'm sure most of those girls did not want to write those sentences, but women just love chocolate. Put us in a mall with money to spend, and it would be hard for us not to go buy some shoes! Sex and nice bodies are to men as chocolate and shopping are to women. Women are very tactile (very into touch) like men are very visual.
Women, if a man touched you on your body or kissed you on your body, how hard would it be for you not to think of sexual things? The same with men. When they see a nice body (clothed or naked), it's just as hard for them to say no to sexual images and feelings as it is for the women who are being touched or kissed. As Christian women, we should feel for men because they are constantly bombarded with images that pop-up in their heads. Let's not add more images to their collection. I really admire that Mormon dude on the new Real World - Brooklyn. He said he had never seen a woman's naked body before and that he wouldn't until marriage. That is so beautiful because after his honeymoon, the only image that will keep replaying in his head -- and sometimes without warning-- will be the body of his wife regardless of how her body looks. That is so beautiful! He'll be less tempted to cheat because all he knows is her and her body. There will be no other women's bodies popping up into his mind at any moment to tempt him and bring back sexual and pleasurable memories. Even if she's not the most experienced in the bedroom, it'll be great because it'll be all he knows.
So Christian ladies, let's cover up! If you have a nice body, everybody already knows it! You don't have to show it! Give your future husband something to look forward to the night of the wedding.
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Comments (54)
Wow.
I'm almost at a loss for words ... but not quite.
First point: Dressing modestly (particularly in church) should simply be a character trait of men and women. There's little point in dressing seductively unless that's the intention you want.
Second point: Don't do this to "help our brothers with their lust." This is exactly the sort of skewed thinking that could have gals back into dresses to their ankles, sleeves to their wrists and bonnets on their heads. Lust issues are OUR issues. WE are the ones responsible to avert our MIND and eyes when we are tempted. And girls ... it won't matter what you're wearing if lust is the hot sin issue. The male imagination is very capable of undressing whatever you wear.
Third point: If you allow men to manipulate what you choose to wear and not wear, you will very likely allow him to manipulate other areas of your life. This will create MUCH greater problems than lust.
One more ... although I could add several:
This issue is best resolved by men speaking plainly to men about lust, sex and masturbation. These issues are too often buried and untouched in Christian settings. By keeping our sins hidden, they will only fester.
Gals ... if you want to help, dress appropriately - sure, but speak plainly about these issues with your main guy ... and encourage him to find another guy to help him in his journey.
Very interesting and a very thorough post, and as a male who wishes he could control his impulses and desires, I'm glad you wrote this, because it is quite true.
@HumbleWalk@xanga - THANK YOU for having a real brain!
-Sincerely, a Christian woman who refuses to wear a potato sack.
I think that the part women need to be responsible for is our motivation when we dress ourselves. If we're dressing a certain way just because we like it and we feel good, that's one thing. If we're dressing to get someone to look at our assets, that's another.
Personally, I can't stand when a girl wears letters across her butt then gets upset that guys are staring at her ass all the time. Or when girls let their boobs hang out and gets upset that nobody looks them in the eye. Don't be stupid. Girls are pretty stupid like that sometimes.
If you feel that you aren't doing anything wrong, and that a guy is lusting after you even if you're wearing an amish dress, then it's probably the guy's issue and he needs to be held accountable for it by a trusted friend. But I do agree, you don't always have to let it all hang out.
I think this is brilliant. And the fact that it is written by a Godly WOMAN is even more fantastic!
I am fully responsible for taking my every thought captive. I don't deny that responsibility.
Just nice to get a little help in that from my sisters . . . thanks.
I agree with you. I think that we should consider how we are dressing and whether or not we are creating a stumbling block for someone else in their walk with God. But not only because of that but because we have respect for ourselves and for our spouses or future spouses AND MOST OF ALL for God. It's the right thing to do all around.
BTW: Here's a website that I found that sells modest swim wear:
http://www.swimmodest.com/colors.lasso
@Darn_it_danube@xanga - Well, depends . . . hypothetically, you might look sexy even in a potato sack.
My experience is if you are remotely attractive or have boobs or whatever, it doesn't matter what you wear, guys will be guys and they will look. I am not about to start dressing in baggy t-shirts or stop wearing tank tops because men have lust control issues. Why is it that when a man stumbles it is the woman's fault? Sure, some women dress inappropriatly and do enjoy the looks they get, but not all the blame goes to the women. Hey, guys have this thing called a neck, and it allows them to look away. I for one dress pretty modestly, but when it is a special occasion I like to dress up in a nice dress and I am right there with the previous post...I'm not going to wear a potato sack.
I dress something that is decent but not too old-fashioned that other people would stare at me and say from what planet I came from.
@HumbleWalk@xanga - I think you missed the point.
@SWAurora@xanga - I think you missed the point.
@Darn_it_danube@xanga - I think you missed the point.
She's not saying men bear NO responsibility; she's saying that if you share the beliefs of your Christian brothers, then don't throw them under the bus by leaving your boobs hanging out of your blouse or your thong sticking out of the back of your jeans (both of which I see every week at church).
are you kidding?
i'm dating a guy who admires the female form less than i do. and he's not even Christian and avoiding it for religious reasons.
stop helping guys make excuses for their infidelity and general sluttiness. you sound like one of those people who believes that provocatively dressed women deserve to be raped, because they're so obviously asking for it.
I've been having "lust" issues with my boyfriend, I'm getting a purity ring to remind me to quit messing with him... (and for him to quit messing with me... just show the ring to him to remind... lol) We both love God and we don't like that "guilt" feeling. We'll have each other in the future, just not right now. It's too easy for something *bad* to happen. I needed this post. Thank you. :)
@SwordAndSacrifice@xanga - Yep. Exactly
@SwordAndSacrifice@xanga - I don't think I missed her point at all. She's well intentioned, but fairly naive about the male psyche and lust in general. Do you really think the following is accurate?
That is so beautiful because after his honeymoon, the only image that will keep replaying in his head -- and sometimes without warning-- will be the body of his wife regardless of how her body looks. That is so beautiful! He'll be less tempted to cheat because all he knows is her and her body. There will be no other women's bodies popping up into his mind at any moment to tempt him and bring back sexual and pleasurable memories. Even if she's not the most experienced in the bedroom, it'll be great because it'll be all he knows.
I don't. This sounds like a lovely dream wish ... not reality.
Men are hard-wired to be visually turned-on. It is the responsibility of Christian women to help our brothers out. It doesn't mean dressing like a pilgrim, which was not what the original poster advocated.
The point is not to dress provocatively. That can mean different things depending on body type and size, etc. It's about the heart behind the clothing choices.
Do men have a responsibility? Certainly. But are we responsible not to make it harder for them? Yes, indeed. If I have a friend with a drinking issue, I'm not going to shove alcohol into his hand and say "It's your responsibility not to drink, even though I'm shoving this beer at you!" In the same way, I'm not going to reveal my body in ways that will make it harder for a man to resist his natural inclination. That's every bit as wrong and cruel as shoving alcohol into the hands of an alcoholic and claiming it's only his problem to resist.
Thanks for bringing up this important concept.
@HumbleWalk@xanga - Yeah. I'm intrigued to know which part you disagree with. She said that the man in her hypothetical will be "less tempted" . . . she did NOT day he would be "UNtempted".
I, like you, do not believe that his hypothetical bride will be the only female form he ever considers. But it will be the one he remains most focused upon.
And, frankly, whatever SHE might be missing about the male psyche and lust, I'm all too familiar with it, brother. And so are you.
@Charity_the_So_Called_Artist@xanga - You freakin' rock, kid.
Stay strong. Both of you.
@too_pretty_to_die@xanga - Man . . . and I thought the first group missed the point.
*sheesh*
someone summarize this for me in 5 sentences
@SwordAndSacrifice@xanga - I tend not to follow-up on discussion thread comments more than once, but you've been gracious with your answers and I do believe the author of this article has an innocent and Christ-like heart within her.
In the particular paragraph I cited, I disagree with her link that the this image and experience of his wife's naked body will, to any degree, diminish his chances for cheating either in flesh or in mind. Lust does not source itself in what is outside the man. It is generated from within.
For example, many men enjoy seeing a woman in a dress. I'll even make this a very modest dress, in my example. I'll even add that it is a black, modest dress at a funeral. Men who struggle with lust will generate sexual images in their mind of the women around them, even in this setting. I'll go a step further and say if we had all women wear pantsuits to the funeral, the men who struggle with lust would STILL lust after the women.
Lust is a desire for what we do not have. Sexual lust is no different. Various men will lust for shoes, women in skirts, fat women, old women, dead bodies, lingerie, women in cheerleader outfits, and mating animals in a vain effort to fulfill a serious spiritual and emotional gap within them.
I will add that as far as a trigger mechanism for lust, the behavior and character of the woman is FAR more likely to entice that particular sin out of a man than her clothing.
Okay ... enough of that. Let me go back to my affirmation of the author's comments that women should dress modestly. I reaffirm that both men and women should dress modestly. I disagree fervently that the motivation should be to help men not lust. Instead, it should be that we dress modestly out of simple social decency and, if one can so do it, to honor God as our "Father."
If we link what women choose to wear to men's lust, we once again make women "the problem" for men. We once again place the source of our sins upon them. We once again burden them with guilt that is not theirs. We once again rob them of a piece of their freedom in Christ.
@HumbleWalk@xanga - The "ankle length" dresses argument is what is known as a "slippery slope" argument. Dressing modestly doesn't mean we're going to burkas. While I agree that men will lust no matter what a woman wears, that doesn't justify women going around half naked because men just need to deal with it.
If I have a friend who's a recovering alcoholic, I'm not going to show up at his house with a beer in my hand because I figure it's his problem, not mine. When you care about other people, you're willing to put your own rights aside for their benefit. That's one example of what it means to live out the gospel.
@Pcgecko85@xanga - The writer states that Chrsitian women should be conscious of the way they dress because Christian men - unlike men with other or no belief systems - are called to fight the lustful thoughts they have (unless those thoughts happen to be about their wives).
She suggests Christian women dress more modestly and at least try to avoid giving their brother's eye candy that will hinder their focus.
@HumbleWalk@xanga - Thanks for the acknowledgement of civility. I try. And thanks to you for yours, as well.
That said, I don't think we're going to come to an agreement here beyond the obvious . . . that Christian women should dress modestly. Since that's clearly a biblical directive, I guess we should probably leave the motivation for obedience to the women themselves.
Peace and Grace, bro . . .
I don't think I missed the point. I have had first hand experience dealing with this issue. I actually had a talking to by a youth pastor once (female) who wanted to help me find creative solutions in hiding my large breasts, because I *might* cause my fellow brothers to stumble. I spent years being ashamed of my body. Why would God curse me like that? So that I was shamed about how I looked? I hated when men even glanced in my direction. Terrified that if I wore anything that revealed my figure, I was being sinful or at worse, a stumbling block. But I realized that it didn't matter what I wore. It didn't matter because a Christian man who has lust issues is having spiritual problems and that is something that only they and God can work through. Of course, everything in moderation. Women shouldn't be letting it all hang out, but saying that it is the woman's fault or responsibility to make sure a man is not stumbling, is a whole lot to put on 50% of the population. And wrong. Archaic even.
I think this is a pretty good post, it's good to be reminded of these things, even if I may not think everything is 100% accurate...
For the record, I am totally for modesty, for myself and other people too!