Friday, 09 January 2009
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Christianity and Aliens...
Guest post submitted by harmonyminusmelody
Being an aspiring engineer, I like to put numbers on everything in existence. For instance, the probability of other lifeforms in this galaxy alone really gets my imagination running. It's a wonderful thought, thinking that there are others in this galaxy besides us.But then I think, how does this all relate to Christianity? Where does God fit into the existence of non humans? I struggle with this fact sometimes, because as strong as my conviction for numbers is, until there is physical proof my spiritual side will never allow me to accept that there are aliens as fact.
Reading different scriptures with this thought in mind comes up with strange results, however. Chariots of Fire taking Elijah to heaven, the Star over Jerusalem signaling the birth of the Christ child, and different translations for the word "angel" in the Bible. Are these simple coincidences, or is it completely obvious and we simply interpret the meanings of these phrases differently?
Also, the Bible never says that humans are it, the only people. But the Bible never mentions the creation of anyone else, either. Could "aliens" simply be other humans from other planets?
There are two thought paths one can take on this issue, and I'm stuck in the middle: either the Bible blatantly describes encounters with aliens or the Bible is entirely literal. It's not a question of my faith; I am hard rooted in what I believe. The only question on my mind in this matter is how the Bible and God relate to "aliens".
What are your thoughts?
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Since Jesus became Man in order to destroy the works of the devil here on this planet, He will never be Unman in order to redeem beings from other worlds. The idea that His death on the cross was to redeem fallen humans on other worlds, stretches the imagination. I wonder how "they" would understand the gospel which was carried out and proclaimed on a world "they" have not seen. This opens the possibility that humans on another world would not have fallen and therefore would not need redemption.
I agree that this question does not cast a shadow on the things we know and believe regarding God, man, and the God Man Jesus. It does, however, cause us to realize all the more that the universe ( all of creation, that is ) is far bigger than we can even imagine, and that God is far greater than we can know.
Maybe the suggestion that the Biblical account referred to in this post are after all hints of the presence of angels, etc.
Hmm...interesting. You acknowledge one mighty super space being, and yet discount other alien space beings. What if Jesus, Moses, and any other magic-wielding dude in the Bible were extra-terrestrials?
C. S. Lewis wrote an extremely interesting essay on this very subject in The World's Last Night. Anything I'd say would just be borrowing from him, so here's a link instead: Link
I wonder what will happen when Christian missionaries try to convert the aliens...
It might not be pretty.
The bible was written by human beings, ergo they probably wouldn't know about other life forms if we don't in this age. Just because they didn't write about other life forms doesn't mean they don't exist.
I don't think that it really matters whether aliens exist or not. It should have no bearing on whether God exists, Christ's is valid redemption for our sins or whether one's own acceptance of Jesus Christ as his/her personal savior is genuine.
I'm a big fan of science-fiction... from Star Wars to Stargate, you name it. But when it comes to reality, aliens stay where they're supposed to stay; as fiction.
As pointed out by HumbleWork (1st comment above), there's just too many theological complications if aliens exist.
"Scientifically", this whole alien thing is a by-product of Darwinism and atheistic thought. In such world views, everything came into being via evolution and there is no divine being (or if there is, it's distant and disinterested in us). Since we don't find the answer to life's questions here on our own planet, we fantasize about the existence of other lifeforms on other planets... the source of our evolution and more intelligent beings whom we can look up to for guidance.
In terms of real science, despite the large universe, the probability of life existing is actually miniscule. In fact, our own planet earth is BIG miracle! Just look at the other 7 (sorry pluto...) planets in our own solar system... such harsh environments. You need the right sized planet for the right gravitational strength (or else water would not remain as liquid), you need it to be the right distance from a star (ie, our sun) for liquid water to exist, the sun needs to be at the right temperature giving out the right eletromagnetic radiation (you don't want to be fried by excessive gamma rays or not enough visible light for photosynthesis), the atmosphere needs to have oxygen (but needs to be diluted with inert gases like nitrogen or it becomes toxic and too combustible), the right atmospheric pressure, and the list continues... In fact, even the giant planet Jupiter plays an important role by pulling asteroids and meteoroids to it rather than to earth... (take Jupiter away and the probability of a "deep impact" scenario increases hundredfold times).
The probability of a planet like earth existing somewhere else in the universe capable of sustaining life is too far-fetched. And even if it does exist, there's no guarantee either that its "evolutionary history" would result in the formation of intelligent beings either. And even if intelligent life did form, it would be near practical impossible for them to travel millions of light years from their planet to ours. And why visit our planet anyway, of all the millions out there they could visit? The radio wave emission from our planet (telecommunication) is just over a hundred years old... far, far short of travelling all the way to Proxima Centauri, our nearest star.
Then what do we make of so-called UFO sightings and close encounters? A good book that examines all such encounters vigorously and offer a plausible explanation is "Alien Intrusion" by Gary Bates. Majority of such phenomena can be explained by natural or human causes, but there remains a minority of cases which is hard to explain. In a nutshell, he proposed that such "aliens" are no more than what ancient people used to call "angels", "demons" and "nephilim".
There's cases where victims claim to be abducted by aliens... a light beaming them away, and they feel some sort of an out of body experience. Now here's the interesting thing that happened in a few cases... the abductions stop when the victims invoke the name of Jesus! In fact, as experts examine such cases, they noticed one group of people missing from the demographics of alien abductions... born-again christians. Experts don't really talk about this much, but I think it says a lot about what these "aliens" really are.
The book is a must read because it clarifies a lot of issues about this ufo and alien phenomena.
I believe G-d is all powerful and IF he choose to do so, He could just as easily create another life form on an other planet and offer them a savior from their own race (just like he did with us.)
Whether or not He actually has done that, is a whole different story!
I know this may sound a bit nuts but I think (some times) the whole alien thing is well used by the Feds and Satan to cover up the evil they do.
Since the Catholic church has decided that it's ok now, to believe in them, I think that is how the Anti-Christ will explain the rapture to those that are left behind. Please, don't ask why I feel that is true - let's just call it a Hench. :)
@Pass_the_Aura@xanga - +1 on The World's Last Night. Read that thing.
I like science fiction because it helps show us who we are... but, yes it's fiction.
On a religious note, the alien represents the separation which sin brings between people. The anti-Christ keeps us apart. As Christians, we are called to communion, to be is solidarity, in unity with our neighbor -- anyone who needs us is our neighbor, so really, there are no aliens to a Christian.
"the Catholic church has decided that it's ok now, to believe in them," (kateelee1). I would disagree with that statement.
A little basic theology can settle this.
1. If ET has free will and an intellect he is created in God's image.
2. Jesus was born as a human, not an ET. Therefore the salvation of mankind remains intact and we can continue going to church on Sunday.
3. If ET was created in God's image he is would benefit from receiving the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@Pass_the_Aura@xanga - It's interesting how so much of Lewis's fiction explored the different possibilities he describes there: the other worlds where the Incarnation and Crucifixion must be repeated (Narnia), the other worlds who remain unfallen and for whom Earth is the "pivotal" place (The Space Trilogy).
I absolutely believe that God created "others". In LDS Theology, God has "created worlds without number" "numberless as the grains of sand". We very much believe there are other planets with people on them, who have God's word just as we do, through prophets, just like he did here. We also believe that Christ's atonement applies to them, as it is infinite.
I love science fiction (books and movies) for it's entertainment value, and I've often wondered whether God created life elsewhere. I believe it's possible, but I don't think it matters, and, even if He did, it apparently doesn't feature in the plan He has for us.
One thing I'm sure of, is that the possibility of life elsewhere should not distract us from serving God here or cause us to lose our focus on Him.
I wouldn't see any reason for there to not be other life forms. The Bible only talks about earth and how earth fell from him and how He needs to redeem earth. If there were other life forms out there in this enormous universe, it'd be all the more exciting to get to know them after the events in Revelation are complete. And I don't see a need for God to tell us if there were aliens. But then again, I wouldn't see any reason for there to be aliens either. It's just going to have to be one thing we find out in Heaven.
@ChrisRusso@xanga - And his description of the prototypical space explorer is, of course, Weston.
Hahahahahahahaha!
I instantly thought of the lines referring to how God supposedly made us in his image.
Then I thought about how God supposedly made us as the highest life forms for good reason.
That means if they can find us before we find them, and if they don't look anything like us, it completely devalidates those too lines.
Fat chance of that happening though, right?
interesting and thought-provoking post. i share the same sentiments with Red_Apocalypse_Horse. there really are no aliens. all the UFOs in the sightings are at best demons masquerading as aliens. scripture says in 2nd corinthian 11:14 that even the devil appears as an angel of light. if he can do that then appearing as an alien will be no problem
There's nothing that says there are not other worlds out there. Say that part of the great "cloud of witnesses" is made up of inhabitants of other, unfallen worlds.
The whole UFO thing... I think that's probably a satanic deception.
But otherwise, at least, who's to say we're the only world God created? So we're created in His image... animals aren't. He could have created intelligent life forms that don't look much like us, maybe creatures something like the ones described in Ezekiel and elsewhere. Who's to say they aren't out there? Maybe when we get to Heaven we'll get to meet them.
You guys all have the wrong idea. Aliens aren't all necessarily weird humanoid kind of beings. This is where Christianity has its flaws - it fails to "educate" its believers.
Extraterrestrials, also known as Aliens, are organisms that exist outside or beyond (extra-) earth (-terrestris). This may include humanoid organisms as you all assume or even tiny bacterial organisms.
Now, being a Christian I understand that nowhere in the Bible does it speak about aliens existing or whatnot. However, there are many, many other things that the Bible does not address that we know exist today. Atoms, the Bible does not speak of atoms but we know today that they exist. Gravity, if someone can give me a verse in the Bible that explains gravity, please share it with me. Same could be said about galaxies or even human cells. The Bible simply does not talk about them. Does the Bible talk about... say Aristotle or Ataturk? No, it does not.
Yeah, this may sound like a ridiculous example/argument, but it's not. I'm just stating stuff or individuals that the Bible does not talk about, but have been recorded in history.
You see, just beacuse things aren't written in the Bible does not mean that they do not exist. As a matter of fact, scientists have found structures that may perhaps be fossilized bacteria on martian meteorites.
Humans are alien enough.
@Alex_Horschack@xanga -
"Then I thought about how God supposedly made us as the highest life forms for good reason."
-- Just curious, but where does this premise come from?
I guess we'll find out eventually, or you can ask Him when you Do see Him.
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