Friday, 02 January 2009

  • How Can I Reach My Dad?

    Guest post submitted by ThatSady_MittGurl

    How Can I Reach My Dad? Over the last few years my dad has been falling away from the Church.  I don’t know why, but he does not believe anymore.  I almost think it’s part of his mid-life crisis he has been experiencing, but I’m terrified he won’t grow out of it.  I’m terrified he’ll go the rest of his life not believing and I don’t want that to happen.

    He has what he likes to think is a very “logical” brain.  He likes deep, philosophical discussions and likes to blame all of our societal problems on religion.   I’m the only person in our family who will have discussions with him on this level (although I do disagree with him).  He has often told me that I am one of the smartest people he knows and that he even thinks I’m smarter than him. 

    Because he’s told me this and after praying about him I'm convinced I have to help him if he is going to be helped, but I don’t know how to reach him.  How can I help him and reach out to him so that he won't ignore what I'm saying?

Comments (28)

  • LadyLibellule@xanga

    If he doesn't want to believe in something, you can't make him.  Do you have any idea how difficult it is to change your beliefs, even if you want to do so?

    If you push too hard, you could end up damaging your relationship with your father.  If you truly believe that he's going to go to hell (or whatever) for not believing what you believe, then hadn't you best make the most of your lives together right now?

  • ayitskaching@xanga

    you should talk to other people about this. for example your pastor or other adults you think have experience with this kinda problem.

    I don't know too much myself but your dad must be very important to you and if he is willing to have these conversations with you, don't let him down. Ask others for help and continue praying for him! the more people praying for him the better.

    good luck, i'll pray for you guys! (:

  • IMChurchmouse@xanga

    You could try reading books with him.  Get two copies, and then talk with him about what you've read in the book.

    Try anything by Ravi Zacharias, he is the most intelligent christian apologist right now, and it will afford you and your father some good material to discuss God with.  Another good author or book would be Mere Christianity by CS Lewis (it won Chuck Colson over from the doubt side).  Or, anything by Lee Strobel.  Some of his titles are The Case for ___ [Christ, God, the Bible, Creationism, etc].  He used to be a firm atheist, and when he went to discredit Christianity, he was won over, too.

    Ultimately, it is always the Holy Spirit that convicts and softens hardened hearts and wins souls, so don't think that it all hinges on what you do.  Just be a loving caring daughter, and let God handle it.  He found a way to win your heart didn't He? (wink)

  • Theophilus166@xanga

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article5400568.ece

    There's an interesting article that might be relevant to your situation.  It's an article by an atheist who says that Africa needs God.

  • Issie

    I used to be an atheist, and used convoluted and confusing philosophical discussions to foil other people's religious arguments. In reality, I was not an atheist due to the convincing philosophies of atheism, but because of my frustrations at how life is.


    Your dad may have a different reason for falling away, but nobody can know for sure except for God. Keep praying for God to reveal Himself to your dad. Don't make it your responsibility to "save" your dad. God saves, you don't. Just be sensitive to the Holy Spirit and let yourself be a channel of God's love. Be a good and alert listener when your dad discusses God, religion and life. Maybe he's jaded, maybe he's disappointed. Try to understand his point of view. You don't have to win the arguments, but where appropriate, share what the Bible says on similar issues.


    Jesus Christ is a God of wonders and miracles. Anything is possible for Him. So trust God with your dad's salvation. For who better to give this task to than the Lamb of God?

  • naphtali_deer@xanga

    "Because he’s told me this and after praying about him I'm convinced I
    have to help him if he is going to be helped, but I don’t know how to
    reach him.  How can I help him and reach out to him so that he won't
    ignore what I'm saying?"

    I saw a red flag right there. "I have to help him if he is going to be helped..."

    When we take that attitude we forget what @Issie shared, Don't make it your responsibility to "save" your dad. God saves, you don't. Just be sensitive to the Holy Spirit and let yourself be a channel of God's love...Jesus Christ is a God of wonders and miracles. Anything is possible for Him. So trust God with your dad's salvation. For who better to give this task to than the Lamb of God?

    What is impossible with man is possible with God. Men and women come into the Kingdom of God by the work of the Spirit of God. Of course, we must share as God leads us, but spiritual rebirth and life does not originate with us, but with God alone. We speak but God must speak through our words and must open hearts to receive the truth of the Gospel for someone to come to faith.

    For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. I Cor. 1:21.

    You may wish to consider rereading I Corinthians 1 and 2.

  • ThatSady_MittGurl@xanga

    God helps those who help themselves.

    While I do trust God in everything, you can't sit back and do nothing and expect God to do what you ask. 
    While I trust God will make himself known to my Dad when the time is right, He will do it through other people. 

    I have been praying about this situation for about a year, since it became a real issue in family life.  Friends have told me this previously and I have recently been getting the same feelings from my prayers.  I need to let God work THROUGH me. 

    But I can't just sit back and do nothing and expect results. 

    Thank you to those who have posted books and articles to read. I think my dad will like those :)

  • scramBledmegZntoasT@xanga

    @ThatSady_MittGurl@xanga - You know your dad better than anyone here, and obviously he loves you and will value your thoughts above most all others. You owe it to him, as an act of charity, and the act of someone who loves him, to discuss this with him and try to help. I think you are doing the right thing by doing something, don't listen to anyone on here who says you need to let him do his own thing and not try. Not to mention the fact that YOU very well could be God's plan for your dad's salvation.

  • JJ_Ames@xanga

    First off, chill - don't consider saving your father your duty. Salvation is God's territory.


    Second, he respects you and your opinion - that's an excellent starting point. By sharing your faith and perspective you give him something to mull over - seeds.


    Thirdly, by loving and respecting him you're more likely to influence him than if you're aggressive in presenting Christ to him.


    Finally, prayer for and loving you dad isn't "doing nothing" - they're possibly the best thing you can do.


    Sorry this weight is on you. Remember Christ's example - His love and acceptance of others is what caught their hearts, His words were addressed to an already captive audience.

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    @ThatSady_MittGurl@xanga - 

    Two books I love are:

    Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis and The Reason for God by Timothy Keller.

    The first one is classic; the second one is recent, and both take an educated, philosophical position. The Reason for God addresses (among other things) specific reasons people have for not believing, and one of them is the idea that the church is responsible for injustices.

    I have been praying for your dad today.

  • pansybradshaw@xanga

    i dont understand why you think yer dad needz to be changed into sumthing of yer design do not underestimate the design of g-d no matter how hard it might be for you to see

  • the2clements@xanga

    God helps those that help themselves is not in the bible. God helps us despite ourselves. Be faithful to say the words God has laid on your heart and let him do the rest. Pray!

  • AshleyKnows@xanga

    My parents are Buddhists, and I have never felt the need to save them. They are good people period who have never forced their religion or any religion upon me, I would not do the same to them.


    However, if I felt that losing their religion, or their faith in the world and the meaning of life, meant losing their happiness or even satisfaction with their lives...I'd consider an intervention because I believe that a balance between science (logic) and religion exists, and that one without the other is either "lame" or "blind" as Einstein puts it. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't press Christianity upon my father. No one returns to something if they are forced. They have to come willingly, and they have to walk all the paths they feel fit to walk, even if that path leads to a belief in nothing. If I were in your shoes, I would leave little reminders around...like a book on the coffee table, a book that may appeal to his logic like "Why Faith Matters" by David J. Wolpe. Bringing him back to faith in God or to a spiritual power, to greater meaning in life, in ourselves, beyond what we can see is, I believe, the first step.

  • Issie

    Like @the2clements@xanga has mentioned, "God helps those that help themselves" is not biblical. Be careful of what you hold on to as truth about God. There are lots of "Christian" cliches being thrown around that are mere fantasies.


    There are many examples of people whom God has saved despite themselves. Paul the Apostle was saved through a direct revelation of Jesus Christ. No one "evangelised" to him. He was later directed to the other disciples, but it is clear that God's will prevailed, despite the lack of people to work through.


    There were amazing revivals in the Book of Acts, where multitudes were saved. God worked through His disciples, but the disciples were very aware that God did it all.


    Do not ever undermine the power of prayer. Praying is the most important thing you can do for someone else. It is definitely not sitting on your back, waiting for things to happen. I don't doubt that God wants to work through you, but you need to also let Him be God in the situation. Because believe it or not, God can save your dad even without you.

  • naphtali_deer@xanga

    @ThatSady_MittGurl@xanga - As @the2clements@xanga & @Issie have already said God saves us in spite of ourselves; God helps those that help themselves is not in the Bible. (Try to find it. It's not there.)

    Instead we find things like:
    Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:3.

    Come, everyone who thirsts,
    come to the waters;
    and he who has no money,
    come, buy and eat!
    Isaiah 55:1

    We were dead in sins and transgressions (see Eph. 2:1-10) and weak and powerless (Romans 5:8).

    We can do nothing to help or to save ourselves. We bring nothing to our salvation but our sin. We are spiritually bankrupt. Salvation is by grace through faith and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:1-10.

    A dead man can't bring himself to life. Only Christ can bring men to life. We share the Gospel message with people, but Christ alone brings life to dead souls. That's what Jesus was talking with Nicodemus about in John 3.

  • ThatSady_MittGurl@xanga

    @the2clements@xanga - @Issie - @naphtali_deer@xanga -  While that phrase isn't in the bible, Istill think it holds true. You can't ask God for something and then not do anything about it yourself expecting to get what you want.  You DO have to trust in God, trust that His will will be fulfilled in His time, however you can't stand idle and wait for something to happen.

    I think this goes along well with a verse that IS in the Bible, that I think is ignored a lot of the time. "Faith without works is dead. " (James 2:20)

    You must have faith in God, but work is required for prayers to be answered.

    You can't ask something in a prayer then sit around doing nothing expecting an answer; you must study it out and pray more and THEN you will get an answer.

  • jacinta

    HI, its not you that is going to get your Father to have a relationship with God but the Holy Spirit, The only thing God requires from you is to prayer for him and "remind" God of His promises in His Word.


    example-God you say in your word in Act 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you and your family will be saved- so if You say it then I CHOOSE to believe it.

  • naphtali_deer@xanga

    @ThatSady_MittGurl@xanga - Right, we must work and obey in what God tell us to do, including speaking to them and praying for them, but ultimately someone's salvation does not depend on us or on our works but on God's work.

    Salvation is life, it's not a mere profession of faith or intellectual assent to the truths about God (remember even the demons believe & tremble). In our own power and ability, we can cause someone to make a profession of faith by persuading them with an argument, but we alone can never bring life, a living faith, to a dead soul. That is God's work alone.


    @jacinta - Yes we need to remind God of His promises (e.g.-that He does not desire any should perish but all come to eternal life), and we do need to pray, but Acts 16:31 is a particular word Paul spoke to the Philippian jailer. It was a particular promise/prophesy to a particular family at a particular time. God may give someone such an assurance/promise of salvation for their whole family but we can't simply claim Acts 16:31 as a blanket assurance that every family member of every believer will be saved.
  • Pcgecko85@xanga

    if u can't beat him, join him

  • delay_ends_here@xanga

    buy your dad the
    new king james bible
    as a (gift) then spend time reading it with him from start to finish including the preface.

  • AnchoressNun@xanga

    Simply, live your own faith so purely that all will see and wonder at it. Francis says this; preach by your life. Love him, pray always for him and ask  ll to do the same. Then commit him to Jesus in your heart. He is free to choose then.  do not polarise him. And Church is not Jesus..He knows truth after all. Blessings and above all peace.

  • delay_ends_here@xanga

    Christ church is within you
    and Jesus is chief in command, don't let man's commandments ruin the faith of your love ones but you must hurry because Satan is cunning.

    Zechariah 3:1-2

  • coolmonkey@xanga
    Just leave him be. People always say things like "you may even be smarter than me!" But often that is just something people say to boost your self esteem, and not necessarily fact. Chances are, he's still smarter and wiser than you. If you are basing your intellect on that simple phrase, then you have no leg to stand on.
  • Foreverxmore11@xanga

    I'm sort of having the same trouble with my dad. It's nice to know that someone's in the same boat with me.. And also to read all the encouragement and advice on the comments. I'll be praying for you and your dad =) A lot of people have commented that we gotta remember that He's the one that does the saving, and He can still work through us to help; yet ultimately, He wins us over! Very encouraging.. thanks for this post.

  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga

    your father is an adult.  he can believe whatever he likes.  wouldn't you be insulted if he came to you and tried to change your beliefs?

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